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[Ran Dra]

It is believed that seven of Tevinter magisters passed throught the Fade to the Golden City and corrupt it. Whatever the people think about the Chantry roles in the history of Thedas, their chants about the past events seems to have now even more sense than in the past. Even Anders, if he was part of expedition to the Corypheus prison admits, that he needed to think about some things.

 

Violently were they cast down,

For no mortal may walk bodily
In the realm of dreams,
Bearing the mark of their Crime:
Bodies so maimed
And distorted that none should see them
And know them for men.

Deep into the earth they fled,
Away from the Light.
In Darkness eternal they searched
For those who had goaded them on,
Until at last they found their prize, 
Their god, their betrayer:
The sleeping dragon Dumat. Their taint 
Twisted even the false-god, and the whisperer 
Awoke at last, in pain and horror, and led 
Them to wreak havoc upon all the nations of the world:
The first Blight

 

The mark of corruption on their bodies (Corypheus and Architect) is a clue, that points that they indeed was those magisters, who entered the Golden City, even if Architect hadn't said anything about this. Of course, he didn't have to. One thing is that he couldn't remember, but on the other hand - why should be proud of what had they done?

 

One theory is that Dumat servants entered the Golden City, but I'm personally more attached to the idea, that the highest priests of every old god worshiped in ancient Tevinter participated in the incantation to break the City gates.

 

Sethius Amladaris was without doubts high priest of Dumat, that explains his fascination about this god. Architect, whoever he was before, acts different. He seems like a more sensible one, analytic. He's trying to understand his new nature and change it somehow. Just like people characters are different, I believe that part of their nature hadn't changed. I don't know however, which of the old gods could he worship. maybe Urthemiel, which he had corrupted to start the Blight?

 

Another question is the nature of the "darkspawn kings" mentioned in dwarven notes in Valammar. I believe, that those were written down after Bianca revealed the path to red lyrium for Corypheus in body of Grey Warden. I believe, that after those events, he could be eventually the one, who attacked the others during the arguement. If there are still more of his kind, then it makes me worry if the idea of Warden's death at the Deep Roads during their Calling isn't wrong. If the magisters-darkspawn could "hop" into their bodies. Also, I wonder if those of darkspawns-king could rule over darkspawn in conquered thaigs?

 

Summary: Architect is for sure one of the magisters, comparison of the corruption marks on his and Corypheus bodies make it clear, that the Blight is a factor connecting them.

[ashlover mark 2]

I think these two shop at the same store. No doubt they'd be super embarrassed at the darkspawn mixers, finding that they both wore the same creepy shoulder things.

Not for nothing... When I took a passing glance at Corypheus back in the day when Legacy first came out I thought Corypheus was the Architect with a new design.

[KaiserShep]

The Architect has a bigger hat though. It's like he was the Grand Poobah of the He-Magister Old God Lovers' Club.

[TEWR]

Definitely one of the ancient magisters. Though it's a loose association, I kinda wanna believe he was the High Priest of Toth, the Old God associated with fire. Mainly because the Architect's boon in Awakening should you ally with him is a powerful inferno. And I think he'd be the foil to Corypheus, a good guy. Kinda annoyed he wasn't present in Inquisition to wage a war against Corypheus' forces using Darkspawn (Awakened or no).

 

ah well, just another thing that happens in my universe.

[Nemesis788450]

the architect is in reality nagash the great necromancer

[KaiserShep]

Definitely one of the ancient magisters. Though it's a loose association, I kinda wanna believe he was the High Priest of Toth, the Old God associated with fire. Mainly because the Architect's boon in Awakening should you ally with him is a powerful inferno. And I think he'd be the foil to Corypheus, a good guy. Kinda annoyed he wasn't present in Inquisition to wage a war against Corypheus' forces using Darkspawn (Awakened or no).

 

ah well, just another thing that happens in my universe.

It would've been interesting to see the Architect oppose Corypheus, like his memory is returning and he's tortured by regret over the whole thing.

[Norwood06]

So if Architect is a magister, and if he has the same body-jump power as Coryfish, then I wonder what happened to him when my warden killed him?

 

Maybe he's in Nathaniel now?  Or Velenna? 

[ashlover mark 2]

The Architect has a bigger hat though. It's like he was the Grand Poobah of the He-Magister Old God Lovers' Club.

It works for him though. Makes him look weird and sort of sorcerer-ish.

[KaiserShep]

Popespawn.

[ashlover mark 2]

I was gonna say that. 

[KaiserShep]

So if Architect is a magister, and if he has the same body-jump power as Coryfish, then I wonder what happened to him when my warden killed him?

 

Maybe he's in Nathaniel now?  Or Velenna? 

Can you imagine the fan outrage if Nathaniel was possessed by him? I guess Valenna too, but I'm pretty sure more people care about him. It's such a terrible idea that they have to do it.

[Ozzy]

It's much more likely that he found a way to enter Serani than any of the Wardens. Besides, there is no shortage of darkspawn around that he can travel into. It really depends on the distance that he can travel from body to body. Can his 'essence' travel through walls? Is it better than my Wifi?

[Norwood06]

It's much more likely that he found a way to enter Serani than any of the Wardens. Besides, there is no shortage of darkspawn around that he can travel into. It really depends on the distance that he can travel from body to body. Can his 'essence' travel through walls? Is it better than my Wifi?

 

Well the OGB ritual works even if you leave Morrigan at the Denerim gates, so I guess distance / walls isn't a problem.  I like the Serani idea.

[Israfel]

 

In the Dragon Age 2 downloadable content, Legacy, players discover that Corypheus, an ancient darkspawn, was one of the original Tevinter magisters. I asked David Gaider if the Architect of Dragon Age: Awakening is also a former magister, and if he’ll play a part in upcoming events in the DA universe.

 

“Yeah,” Gaider agreed, “he is the same type of character as Corypheus, absolutely. Whether he pops up, well, possibly. I think so… I mean, obviously not if you killed him.”

 

Though this sounds like he might appear in Inquisition, maybe not: “I don’t know that we have any plans for him right now.”

 

 

 

 

Same type of character in no way means "they are both ancient tevinter magisters who attempted to enter the golden city" suggesting that is putting words into David's mouth (I hear he is not too fond of that)

 

Unless the person who wrote the original quote misrepresented what they asked him, I don't think it's putting words into his mouth.  "Pretty much" is a sort of ambiguous phrase, but when answering a direct question about whether the Architect is a former magister, I dunno.  I've assumed he was ever since Legacy, but The Calling is the only Dragon Age novel I haven't completely read because it feels much more like a "video game tie-in novel" than the others.

[TEWR]

It would've been interesting to see the Architect oppose Corypheus, like his memory is returning and he's tortured by regret over the whole thing.

 

Yes, another person joins my merry little band of Darkspawn against Darkspawn!

 

Indeed. We already know that he's capable of feeling guilt and seeking to atone for mistakes. He feels guilt over what transpired with Urthemiel and wants to make up for awakening the Mother and causing all that has plagued Amaranthine. He even says that he should've killed Urthemiel while he was asleep instead of doing the Reverse Joining on it.

 

He's a scholarly type who would no doubt be interested in Corypheus' nature and perhaps as it would pertain to his own past (if he didn't start to regain his memory). He happened to make strides in the research into the Taint, developing a form of protection from it for Armaas and it's hinted that Avernus is working with the Architect in some fashion.

 

I'm already thinking of how he'd get in touch with my Cadash via letter asking for a private audience. Wouldn't actually say who he was in the letter though. Caution and all that... but still...

 

Can you imagine the fan outrage if Nathaniel was possessed by him? I guess Valenna too, but I'm pretty sure more people care about him. It's such a terrible idea that they have to do it.

 

It'd be really outrageous considering Nathaniel didn't seem to be all that different in DAII. Though Popespawn could just be keeping his head down low and acting sufficiently like Nathaniel or whomever. I imagine he'd be interested in the Primeval Thaig.

 

But I also think he'd go for Utha over any of the living Wardens. She's already dead, but that didn't stop Corypheus.

 

Dude, we have similar thoughts on this. Though I suspect the Architect is an amnesiac. The association with Toth is intriguing though.

 

High five! I've had these thoughts bubbling in my head since Legacy. Glad I'm not as alone as I thought!

 

And I do as well, though amnesiacs can remember things from just the slightest visual or auditory aid. So who knows how much he remembered, if anything, in the span of ten years?

 

I would like to know more about the Old Gods and maybe even the Architect. What we do know about them is pitiful. However I do have something for the Black City thread.

[Arakiel12409]

Can you imagine the fan outrage if Nathaniel was possessed by him? I guess Valenna too, but I'm pretty sure more people care about him. It's such a terrible idea that they have to do it.

Now imagine that he possessed the Warden.

* dons the tinfoil hat

Think of it. Bianca mentions Janeka/Larius, so the change is not imminent. The Warden vanishes to search for a cure for the Calling, meaning a cure for the song of the Old Gods. Who else had this goal, I wonder?

[Hydwn]

I, too, suspect that the Architect is one of the original Magisters who's lost his memory - and nothing in any codex entry, The Calling, or Awakening disproves that.  If he has Corypheus's power, then, with Seranni and Utha always near him he likely isn't dead in any worldstate

 

Interestingly, an item you find in the Mother's pit in the Dragonbone Wastes might hint at this.  You can find wizards robes called Vestments of Urthmiel - priestly garb for a priest of the old god who rose as an archdemon in Origins.  Maybe the architect awakened Urthmiel, or at least heard his call sooner, because he'd started as Urthmiel's high priest...?  Maybe they were connected before the Architect became a darkspawn?  

 

And if Corypheus's "code name" was because as the leader of the old gods, Dumat's priest controlled the song, then maybe "Architect" is a reference to the fact that Urthmiel was god of the arts (including architecture). 

 

EDIT: As for memory loss, I just remembered that Shale tells you that she lives forever but "sadly my memory is no better."  Corypheus was locked away asleep all that time.  Maybe the other magisters simply forgot who they were over the centuries because they weren't in stasis?  They could all be running around, as much or more of a problem than the sleeping old gods.

[TEWR]

I, too, suspect that the Architect is one of the original Magisters who's lost his memory - and nothing in any codex entry, The Calling, or Awakening disproves that.  If he has Corypheus's power, then, with Shianni and Utha always near him he likely isn't dead in any worldstate

 

Interestingly, an item you find in the Mother's pit in the Dragonbone Wastes might hint at this.  You can find wizards robes called Vestments of Urthmiel - priestly garb for a priest of the old god who rose as an archdemon in Origins.  Maybe the architect awakened Urthmiel, or at least heard his call sooner, because he'd started as Urthmiel's high priest...?  Maybe they were connected before the Architect became a darkspawn?  

 

And if Corypheus's "code name" was because as the leader of the old gods, Dumat's priest controlled the song, then maybe "Architect" is a reference to the fact that Urthmiel was god of the arts (including architecture). 

 

EDIT: As for memory loss, I just remembered that Shale tells you that she lives forever but "sadly my memory is no better."  Corypheus was locked away asleep all that time.  Maybe the other magisters simply forgot who they were over the centuries because they weren't in stasis?  They could all be running around, as much or more of a problem than the sleeping old gods.

 

You mean Seranni, heh.

 

But I had forgotten the description of the Vestments of Urthemiel. That they exist I knew, their exact description I didn't. Nor did I remember Urthemiel's exact nature as an Old God, only that he was a God of Beauty. Hmmmm.... perhaps he is indeed the High Priest of Urthemiel. I had refrained from expressing such a thought because I thought it'd just seem to coincidence-like and too obvious (not that I had a strong alternative lol).

 

Still, it was a thought I couldn't quite get out of my head.

 

What if it's destiny that each Magister awakens the Old God they were a priest to? Like Cory did it to Dumat (and either forgot Dumat died or wasn't around for his death depending on when he was imprisoned, can't remember) and Architect went for Urthemiel?

 

For reference for future posters:

 

Archdemon codex:

 

: Urthemiel was once the Tevinter god of beauty. In ancient times, he was worshiped by musicians, artists, and poets. The Feast of Urthemiel was the grandest celebration of the year, an event that lasted a full twelve days. Plays and entire symphonies were written in his honor. Now, he is a maddened husk of his former self, filled with nothing but a desire to destroy all life.

 

a symbol of Urthemiel:

 

 

Is it just me or does it maybe bear a similarity to the Architect's mask?

 

Vestments of Urthemiel, found in Awakening:

 

The embroidery on this robe suggests it once belonged to a worshipper of Urthemiel the dragon of beauty.

[Hydwn]

You mean Seranni, heh.
 
But I had forgotten the description of the Vestments of Urthemiel. That they exist I knew, their exact description I didn't. Nor did I remember Urthemiel's exact nature as an Old God, only that he was a God of Beauty. Hmmmm.... perhaps he is indeed the High Priest of Urthemiel. I had refrained from expressing such a thought because I thought it'd just seem to coincidence-like.
 
Still, it was a thought I couldn't quite get out of my head.
 
What if it's destiny that each Magister awakens the Old God they were a priest to? Like Cory did it to Dumat (and either forgot Dumat died or wasn't around for his death depending on when he was imprisoned, can't remember) and Architect went for Urthemiel?

 
Fixed!  Thank you!
 
The precise description from Awakening:
 

The embroidery on this robe suggests it once belonged to a worshipper of Urthemiel the dragon of beauty.

 

 

Not very conclusive, but it's in a pod in the Mother's lair, and the Architect awakened the Mother.  She doesn't look very mobile, so I doubt she could have easily slithered into that pit.  It was likely where she started.

 

Interesting that there was an Eluvian in there, too.  More fodder for fan-theories

 

And tat would be an interesting thought.  I wonder if you could avoid a blight by killing the high priests and not the Old Gods (a plan that went horribly awry with Urthmiel).

 

EDIT: Interestingly, Cory's memory isn't fantastic either.  He starts by calling to Dumat when you awaken him in Legacy.  He awakens and calls to Dumat again and again you find out in DA3.  Cory was imprisoned in -191 Ancient according to World of Thedas - 12 years after Dumat's defeat.  As a Darkspawn he would have felt that.  He's either forgotten or blocked it out of his head.

[Todrazok]

Yeah.There's some David Gaider interview floating around the net , where he says the Architect is an old magister.

 

Edit : from http://shallowgraves...n-age-universe/

 

Spoiler

  

In the Dragon Age 2 downloadable content, Legacy , players discover that Corypheus, an ancient darkspawn, was one of the original Tevinter magisters. I asked David Gaider if the Architect of Dragon Age: Awakening is also a former magister, and if he’ll play a part in upcoming events in the DA universe.

“Yeah,” Gaider agreed, “he is the same type of character as Corypheus, absolutely. Whether he pops up, well, possibly. I think so… I mean, obviously not if you killed him.”

Oh god YES! FINALLY! Now people can finally stop assuming that he isn't one. Thank you for posting this truly, you do the maker's work

 

As for the worshipper of Urthemiel, If I recall correctly here don't the Vestments of Urthemiel drop from the Architect himself? or at the very least you obtain them when heading for the confrontation with the Mother. It makes for some delicious irony that the Architect was that worshipper in the Seven.

[Hydwn]

Oh god YES! FINALLY! Now people can finally stop assuming that he isn't one. Thank you for posting this truly, you do the maker's work
 
As for the worshipper of Urthemiel, If I recall correctly here don't the Vestments of Urthemiel drop from the Architect himself? or at the very least you obtain them when heading for the confrontation with the Mother. It makes for some delicious irony that the Architect was that worshipper in the Seven.

 
Sadly the exact quote is a bit evasive:
 

In the Dragon Age 2 downloadable content, Legacy, players discover that Corypheus, an ancient darkspawn, was one of the original Tevinter magisters. I asked David Gaider if the Architect of Dragon Age: Awakening is also a former magister, and if he’ll play a part in upcoming events in the DA universe.

“Yeah,” Gaider agreed, “he is the same type of character as Corypheus, absolutely. Whether he pops up, well, possibly. I think so… I mean, obviously not if you killed him.”

 

 

Bah.  "Same type of character" isn't the same as "ancient magister."  I was hoping for a smoking gun

 

And yeah, the Vestments are found on the way.  Fun fact is that they can also drop from a minor mage enemy in Amaranthine, but that's low and random.

 

Also, it would make sense if he were Urthmiel's, because Urthmiel was always the most sympathetic of the old gods, and so the Architect would be the most sympathetic of the high priests.

[Kaidra]

 
Sadly the exact quote is a bit evasive:
 

 

Bah.  "Same type of character" isn't the same as "ancient magister."  I was hoping for a smoking gun

 

And yeah, the Vestments are found on the way.  Fun fact is that they can also drop from a minor mage enemy in Amaranthine, but that's low and random.

 

Also, it would make sense if he were Urthmiel's, because Urthmiel was always the most sympathetic of the old gods, and so the Architect would be the most sympathetic of the high priests.

Aye it is abit evasive and it is still quite possible to explain the architect as a very rare kind of unknown darkspawn with clever writing/lore

main thing that sells it for me is if he's not an old Magistar what is he?

usually even though the darkspawn appear monstrous they are usualy 100% "natural" and symmetrical not partly merged with their clothes the only 2 exceptions so far to this are Corypheus and the Architect

[Hydwn]

Aye it is abit evasive and it is still quite possible to explain the architect as a very rare kind of unknown darkspawn with clever writing/lore

main thing that sells it for me is if he's not an old Magistar what is he?

usually even though the darkspawn appear monstrous they are usualy 100% "natural" and symmetrical not partly merged with their clothes the only 2 exceptions so far to this are Corypheus and the Architect

 

No arguments here.  I like the theory, and hope it's true.  It'd make the Architect a nice foil for Corypheus.  

[In Exile]

The Architect can't be a foil to Corypheus. He's the same sort of insane villain. Maybe a bit more polite about it, but his plans involve the same grand scale apocalypse that the Breach would have resulted in.