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[Clockwork_Wings]

*puts on denial hat*

 

I find "he forgot" to be very boring, especially after Corypheus.  It's a difficult trope to pull off.

 

The architect also looks more symmetrical to me, more organic, like some of his "robes" are just part of him (his "hat" namely), but others, like the mask, are not.  He looks like something organic trying to look inorganic to me, which does happen in nature. 

 

For now, I'm inclined to believe the high priest of Urthermiel was a woman and became the first of the broodmothers, and the Architect is a unique hurlock born to her. 

 

It's also possible he changes as he ages, like the children do.  When he was younger and met Maric, he looked more traditionally hurlock, and as he aged, either mutated the way the children do, or modified his appearance.  Perhaps the old gods and the archedemons are stranger than we expect and he's a baby archedemon. 

 

I'm hoping DA4 or 5 will focus more on the Architect and related subjects (the deep roads, dwarven lore, etc), and we'll get a confirmation then.

[Feranel]

The Architect can't be a foil to Corypheus. He's the same sort of insane villain. Maybe a bit more polite about it, but his plans involve the same grand scale apocalypse that the Breach would have resulted in.

 

Ten bucks says The Architect is why Weisshaupt went silent.

[Kaidra]

The Architect can't be a foil to Corypheus. He's the same sort of insane villain. Maybe a bit more polite about it, but his plans involve the same grand scale apocalypse that the Breach would have resulted in.

1 thing worth considering is we still dont know where the original taint came from most say from those 7 magistars but according to Corypheus the golden city was already black and the red lyrium idol Hawke/Varric found in one of the oldest parts of the deep roads had the blight........ so the blight could pre date the magistars

 

if so the beings who seem to lose most at the hands to the blight are the old gods as their go berserk once tainted and its almost impossible to fight against as all beings even grey wardens after a time stand to lose their mind to the taint except for Corypheus and the Architect who are immune to its song.......

so could the magistars attack on the golden city actually be the old gods attempt to combat and save themselves from the blight?

 

i know its a lot of speculation but i find it interesting possiblity

[Beomer]

The Architect can't be a foil to Corypheus. He's the same sort of insane villain. Maybe a bit more polite about it, but his plans involve the same grand scale apocalypse that the Breach would have resulted in.

 

Actually if you let the Architect live he might well be a potential ally against someone like Corypheus.

Reason being that from what we know, all he cares about now is to free the Darkspawn from the Old Gods. His motives might not be clear. if he is a Tevinter Magister who has not lost his memory but is only pretending, he might be doing it out of remorse and for redemption having had a hand in their creation.

On the other hand if he has actually lost his memory he might be doing it simply out of desire to help them.

Either way he will see Corypheus as a threat to all Darkspawn. Someone who will use them but not think about their welfare. So unless Cory would have managed to fool the Architect into helping him reach Godhood, I doubt the Architect would have supported him.

Of course this is all moot since Corypheus never actually uses Darkspawn to fight for him, perhaps because he does not have any control over them.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I think it may have been TVTropes, but someone speculated that if dragons are as intelligent as some of the lore is starting to show, that perhaps old gods are their mages...which opens up some really interesting possibilities as to the origins of the archedemons.

[In Exile]

Actually if you let the Architect live he might well be a potential ally against someone like Corypheus.
Reason being that from what we know, all he cares about now is to free the Darkspawn from the Old Gods. His motives might not be clear. if he is a Tevinter Magister who has not lost his memory but is only pretending, he might be doing it out of remorse and for redemption having had a hand in their creation.
On the other hand if he has actually lost his memory he might be doing it simply out of desire to help them.
Either way he will see Corypheus as a threat to all Darkspawn. Someone who will use them but not think about their welfare. So unless Cory would have managed to fool the Architect into helping him reach Godhood, I doubt the Architect would have supported him.
Of course this is all moot since Corypheus never actually uses Darkspawn to fight for him, perhaps because he does not have any control over them.

Freeing the darkspawn is an even bigger threat than the breach, because the darkspawn are a worse threat. We've seen that just by existing in an area they eradicate all life (Western Approach, etc.). They're also rape monsters that require a constant stream of women to kidnap to keep up their numbers. And with one exception, every single Awakened we've met is pure evil even if the Architect isn't. He's worse than Corypheus because you can't even take away his army, like we do with the Venatori/Red Templars.

[In Exile]

1 thing worth considering is we still dont know where the original taint came from most say from those 7 magistars but according to Corypheus the golden city was already black and the red lyrium idol Hawke/Varric found in one of the oldest parts of the deep roads had the blight........ so the blight could pre date the magistars

if so the beings who seem to lose most at the hands to the blight are the old gods as their go berserk once tainted and its almost impossible to fight against as all beings even grey wardens after a time stand to lose their mind to the taint except for Corypheus and the Architect who are immune to its song.......
so could the magistars attack on the golden city actually be the old gods attempt to combat and save themselves from the blight?

i know its a lot of speculation but i find it interesting possiblity

I think it's fair to say that whatever the Blight really is the magisters didn't have as clear a hand in it as the Chantry says they did. We've seen them fudge the truth (e.g. Seekers, Shartan).

Also, red lyrium is tainted lyrium. But it was in a thaig that predated the first blight. And we know it wasn't there because of the blight because (i) we found an idol made from it, so clearly it was worshiped and (ii) we found the remains of dwarven behemoths, millennia later.

The archdemon also looks like a red lyrium dragon. And red lyrium "sings" the way the archdemon is said to sing via the calling. Finally, Corypheus created a fake calling using red lyrium.

Whatever the blight really is the evidence is pretty overwhelming it predates the 7 magisters entering the Fade.

The other thing is that using the Anchor *you* enter the Fade physically. And then you and Morrigan can do it using an Eluvian. Clearly the elves physically went into the Fade a bunch of times.

Entering the Fade physically can't create a blight. And it's clear the magisters didn't do it since blight related stuff seems to predate them.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I was under the impression it wasn't being physically in the fade quite so much as doing something they probably shouldn't have.  One theory I read suggested that Tamlen's mirror lead to the Black City, and Duncan identifies it as "broken."  Perhaps the seven touched the other half of the same mirror, or some such.

[Kaidra]

ye you could use the arguement even thought we entered the fade physically we didnt enter the black city so no darkspawn but the taint is alien to spirits/demons so would still be strange if it origin was the fade

 

but talking about dragons 1 thing I find quite ironic and interesting is how archdemons take the form of a dragon and yet dragons are so far the only creature (i know of in the lore) that are naturally resistant to the taint

 

either way with the warden going missing investigating the taint for a cure it leaves a very real possiblity of the warden uncovering a very unsettling truth in a future release

[donmike84]

Maybe future Dlc will help clear this mess I agree the architect is propley a magsiter of the teventer imperium

[Clockwork_Wings]

Whether I like the idea of the Architect as a magister or not, I will concede that either way he has some body-hopping ability, and may be using Seranni (who'd probably volunteer) or Utha.  Although, they could do an "all roads lead to Rome" idea, and if he is spared by the warden-commander, another group of wardens kills him during the timeline somewhere.  Seranni, who always survives, Utha, or even an unknown darkspawn, motivated by feelings of betrayal at the wardens, takes up his cause. 

 

As for Weisshaupt, Last Flight suggests that the wardens have been manipulated for a very long time.  I thought, given the events of DAI, it was Corypheus, but they were researching father back than Corypheus has been unchecked.  I would think if it were the Architect, he'd have had what he wanted by no, and Awakening may not have happened the way it did.  If it were Avernus, he wouldn't have needed the HoF to come rescue him. 

 

Here's a sobering thought: They had that huge, empty prison...and only one inmate.

[TEWR]

Freeing the darkspawn is an even bigger threat than the breach, because the darkspawn are a worse threat. We've seen that just by existing in an area they eradicate all life (Western Approach, etc.). They're also rape monsters that require a constant stream of women to kidnap to keep up their numbers. And with one exception, every single Awakened we've met is pure evil even if the Architect isn't. He's worse than Corypheus because you can't even take away his army, like we do with the Venatori/Red Templars.

 

Except your companions will remark on how life is still thriving even in the Western Approach -- plants and animals live there. Nature always finds a way to survive. Even Iona was interested in a plant that was able to survive blighted lands

 

And no, not every Awakened Darkspawn was evil. Not the best sort of chaps, but not evil either. The Withered was a Well-Intentioned Extremist. The Awakened Darkspawn the Architect sent to Kal-Hirol also were not evil (nor good, since they're disposed of by The Mother's force thus making it impossible for us to know them) as they were sent there to destroy the Broodmothers.

 

The Seeker was... well.... a curious ****** who needed to be reigned in. I'd hesitate to call him evil, but I sure as hell wouldn't call him good either.

 

As for the other Awakened Darkspawn.... they were aligned with a batshit crazy broodmother who desperately wanted to return to her peaceful days of hearing the song sung by the Old Gods because it meant she didn't have to know what she'd become now. They allied with her because they wanted that same thing. With the Mother present, it wasn't easy for the Architect to keep them all on his side.

 

Are they evil? In a manner of speaking, yes. Their actions are such, by creating broodmothers and terrorizing Amaranthine. But they're hardly pure evil incarnate. They're desperate to hear that song again as well.

 

To me it's a Freedom vs. Security issue at play. The Architect's forces want freedom, the Mother's want the security of knowing who they are and what they are and the song.

 

 

Finally, Corypheus created a fake calling using red lyrium.

 

Point of contention: He created a fake Calling using the Nightmare Demon. The Demon replicated the sound of the Calling for the Wardens so that it helped both him and Corypheus.

[AnImpossibleGirl]

Ten bucks says The Architect is why Weisshaupt went silent.

 

This would be interesting!

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I assumed he was a magister or the aprentice of one of Corepheus's group as soon as I knew what Cory was. What i want to know is who or what is the other talking darkspawn we meet before him? His child and, if so, then one of the ones that breached the Black City may have been female, the wife or lover of the Architect, even the first broodmother maybe? Were the brood mothers also magisters and that was what the corruption did to females?

 

All it does is raise more questions, doesn't answer anything.

[Clockwork_Wings]

My theory is one of the magisters would have to have been the first broodmother, or there'd be a lot of ghouls and no darkspawn.

 

Presuming the chantry is right on that part.  The dwarves disagree on the origins of the darkspawn, as I recall. 

[myahele]

Its kinda the same deal with Fiona its never stated that she's Alistair's mother, yet all evidence points to her being one. So same can be said about the Architect being a magister.

 

Although i do wonder if the Archdemons could be Dragons in their purest forms?  Kinda like how Dwarve and Elves "devolved" into their modern counterparts. Perhaps Dragons that we see now are just devolved/weakened versions of how they used to be?

[Hydwn]

Its kinda the same deal with Fiona its never stated that she's Alistair's mother, yet all evidence points to her being one. So same can be said about the Architect being a magister.

 

Although i do wonder if the Archdemons could be Dragons in their purest forms?  Kinda like how Dwarve and Elves "devolved" into their modern counterparts. Perhaps Dragons that we see now are just devolved/weakened versions of how they used to be?

 

There are a kind of greater dragons mentioned in the comics - the powerful, ancient ones higher than the High Dragon.  There's an article on it here, replete with spoilers.

[xnarcosysx]

All Darkspawn are subject to the calling of the Old Gods...except for the Magisters, as shown by Corypheus who can generate his own mimc calling.  Since the architect is not subject to the calling, one can assume fairly easily that he is a magister.  Also he looks like a twin with the way he dresses, to Corypheus.  Plus, no other emissary looks close to being human.

 

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[Hadeedak]

Can you imagine the fan outrage if Nathaniel was possessed by him? I guess Valenna too, but I'm pretty sure more people care about him. It's such a terrible idea that they have to do it.

 

 

I sense... Something wrong. A great chill came over me all of the sudden, as though someone mentioned A HORRIBLE THING happening to one of my favorite characters after I assumed he was safe from being able to get killed by your choices.

 

Suddenly glad I let the Architect walk in my favorite worldstate...

[Ranadiel Marius]

 

I think these two shop at the same store. No doubt they'd be super embarrassed at the darkspawn mixers, finding that they both wore the same creepy shoulder things.

They'll be even more embarrassed when the other Darkspawn point out that their fashion sense is several centuries out of style. 

 

Serious comment, something in Inquisition (I think it is a report to Calpernia if you side with the Templars) states that Cory's outfit does match the fashion sense of Tevinter from the time of the Magister attempt to enter the Black City. So at the very least the Architect is wearing shoulder pauldrons that are contemporary with the assault on the Golden City.

 

My theory is one of the magisters would have to have been the first broodmother, or there'd be a lot of ghouls and no darkspawn.

 

Presuming the chantry is right on that part.  The dwarves disagree on the origins of the darkspawn, as I recall. 

Ancient elves seem to disagree with the Chantry on that point also.....seeing as how they have at least one relief of elves fighting a Darkspawnish enemy in the Temple of Mythal(a temple from before before the fall of the Elvish Empire).

[Beomer]

If the theory of the Ancient Elves and the Dwarves is true, that Darkspawn and the taint have existed since before the Magisters invaded the Golden City (I personally do believe that the theory has credibility) then the question that needs to be asked is that why did the Magisters not become ghouls? I mean if the taint and the Darkspawn existed since before them, then the magisters most likely just got infected by it or were the first humans to get infected by it. Either way, they should have become ghouls. The fact that they became what they are means that either they got infected by a different strain of taint or whoever infected them (assuming someone could and was deliberately controlling the taint) did it in such a manner that they got infected and yet did not become ghouls.

Personally of late I have begun to subscribe to the theory that the Golden City was Arlathan. The elves screwed up and accidentally began the Blight by infecting lyrium or something, perhaps while experimenting how to become more powerful or resistant to human diseases. After they realized the taint's destructiveness they tried to save Arlathan but failing to do so erected a barrier between the city and the world. The barrier that became the Veil. Maybe some of the Elven Gods/ God Rulers did not like this and there was a schism which resulted in deaths and many others being sealed off somewhere.

The Old Gods/ Old Ones/ Evil Ones who were the enemies of the Elven Gods might have had a hand in it. Or not. Either way they prompted these magisters to invade Arlathan. Maybe with the intention of gaining the power of the Blight, hoping it would free them or whatever.

Solas must somehow tie into all this. He speaks of a world without a Veil with such vividness that one is forced to wonder if he had not actually lived and experienced such a world firsthand? Because it is a tricky concept to truly get your head around unless you have seen it.

And the dwarves the the spirits? What if they are interlinked?

[Kaibe]

All Darkspawn are subject to the calling of the Old Gods...except for the Magisters, as shown by Corypheus who can generate his own mimc calling. Since the architect is not subject to the calling, one can assume fairly easily that he is a magister. Also he looks like a twin with the way he dresses, to Corypheus. Plus, no other emissary looks close to being human.

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But that's not a power Corypheus has, right? Didn't the nightmare demon cause the false calling?

[Heimdall]

But that's not a power Corypheus has, right? Didn't the nightmare demon cause the false calling?

He seems able to use it in Legacy, or at least whisper through the blight n such a way as to manipulate Grey Wardens, darkspawn, and ghouls in his vicinity. I got the sense that the Nightmare was just boosting that ability a few levels, turning whispers into a screaming voice that covers the half a continent.

[Daerog]

A mage can draw magical power from the blight, like how they can draw magic from the Fade.

 

A soul crosses the Fade to the afterlife or at least stays in the Fade, an Archdemon soul is tied to the blight and passes through it. Cory's experience is similar.

 

I believe the souls of the Ancient Magisters have been "damned" to the blight. Archie says that he/it was born like the other darkspawn, with a broodmother involved. This still works if their souls are tied to the blight and Archie possibly just reincarnated through it, which makes sense with the no memories part as well. He/It probably was killed at some point without being able to transfer like Cory was able to do with his eyes going black before the killing blow in Legacy.

 

Cory was just imprisoned rather than being killed and awaiting a rebirth like Archie.

 

This is my theory anyway... which I've mentioned many times before, but meh.

 

As for the Chantry, they say the Magisters were responsible for the Blights. This is true, as there were no Archdemons or Blights before the Second Sin. The blight was around, yes, but there were no Blights, as in continental invasion of large forces led by an Archdemon.

 

There may have been some ghouls beforehand if one dug deep enough into Thedas, but there was no knowledge of hurlocks or gunlocks before the Second Sin. The dwarves were completely unprepared, and one would think that if these things were old news, the Dwarven Empire would not have fallen so rapidly.

[Obb42]

I'm gonna say he was the High Priest of Urthemiel. That may explain the inordinate number of people who find him attractive.