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is the Architect actually a Tevinter Magister of old?


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#76
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My theory is one of the magisters would have to have been the first broodmother, or there'd be a lot of ghouls and no darkspawn.

Presuming the chantry is right on that part. The dwarves disagree on the origins of the darkspawn, as I recall. :huh:


Maybe not. The magisters were the first darkspawn right. They could have easily tainted others and then started making brood mothers

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If the theory of the Ancient Elves and the Dwarves is true, that Darkspawn and the taint have existed since before the Magisters invaded the Golden City (I personally do believe that the theory has credibility) then the question that needs to be asked is that why did the Magisters not become ghouls? I mean if the taint and the Darkspawn existed since before them, then the magisters most likely just got infected by it or were the first humans to get infected by it. Either way, they should have become ghouls. The fact that they became what they are means that either they got infected by a different strain of taint or whoever infected them (assuming someone could and was deliberately controlling the taint) did it in such a manner that they got infected and yet did not become ghouls.
Personally of late I have begun to subscribe to the theory that the Golden City was Arlathan. The elves screwed up and accidentally began the Blight by infecting lyrium or something, perhaps while experimenting how to become more powerful or resistant to human diseases. After they realized the taint's destructiveness they tried to save Arlathan but failing to do so erected a barrier between the city and the world. The barrier that became the Veil. Maybe some of the Elven Gods/ God Rulers did not like this and there was a schism which resulted in deaths and many others being sealed off somewhere.
The Old Gods/ Old Ones/ Evil Ones who were the enemies of the Elven Gods might have had a hand in it. Or not. Either way they prompted these magisters to invade Arlathan. Maybe with the intention of gaining the power of the Blight, hoping it would free them or whatever.
Solas must somehow tie into all this. He speaks of a world without a Veil with such vividness that one is forced to wonder if he had not actually lived and experienced such a world firsthand? Because it is a tricky concept to truly get your head around unless you have seen it.
And the dwarves the the spirits? What if they are interlinked?

Dread Wolf created the Veil. That's almost certain.

Also, there's enough evidence to believe the elven creator gods are the old gods.

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But that's not a power Corypheus has, right? Didn't the nightmare demon cause the false calling?


Yes this is true, I kinda glazed over that but they still are exempt from the Calling making then something almost equal to the archdemon's.

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The Architect looks more like Corphy-sh*theels than the lizard skulled Darkspawn that we kill.  So I just go with that.



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Maybe not. The magisters were the first darkspawn right. They could have easily tainted others and then started making brood mothers

They might have been, although there is some evidence that would point to there being either darkspawn or proto-darkspawn that existed before the fall of the Elven Empire.


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He could conceivably be the priest of razikale   



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Just a darkspawn who thinks it is a Magister.



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I agree with Obb42, I believe the Architect was one of the seven and the high priest of Urthemiel. First he seeks out and by "accident" releases the Old God Urthemiel which begins the fifth blight. His magical prowess, mannerisms, and intelligence are something he could not have acquired by being a simple Darkspawn, it is something I would expect of an ancient Tevinter Magister with great wealth and influence. Interestingly enough if you kill him he is wearing the robes of Urthemiel, coincidence? His corrupted features hint at a lost beauty that was in my opinion, I figure one has to look the part to be high priest of a God of beauty. I do agree with Clockwork wings notion that one of the seven was a woman, the chantry lore doesn't not explain how an army of blighted creatures was raised and it is full of inaccuries and anti-magic propaganda . The dwarven explanation makes more sense, they just appeared and it appears the taint pre dates the first blight.
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Yeah.There's some David Gaider interview floating around the net , where he says the Architect is an old magister.

 

Edit : from http://shallowgraves...n-age-universe/

 

Spoiler

 

I wanted to add a point that no matter what, there's certainly opportunity to see the Architect again. I mean even if you did kill him in Awakening, that won't stop him. You see Corypheus die several times and survive, after all. No reason to believe that the Architect can't pull the same trick.



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So if Architect is a magister, and if he has the same body-jump power as Coryfish, then I wonder what happened to him when my warden killed him?

 

Maybe he's in Nathaniel now?  Or Velenna? 

 

Or Seranni - he did keep her around for no discernible reason really... 



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Until it is officially said otherwise I am absolutely convinced that the architect is an ancient magister.  They didn't give him and Corypheus the same overall design on accident.


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Until it is officially said otherwise I am absolutely convinced that the architect is an ancient magister. They didn't give him and Corypheus the same overall design on accident.


Someone posted in another topic that Mike Laidlaw confirmed the Architect is a magister. Didn't provide a link tho.

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Huh. I never thought of it, but now looking at pictures of them both, they do look a lot alike. Corypheus then, would likely be the only one who really knows what he is, because the Architect, at least in his conversations with the Warden Commander, didn't know. Of course, he could have been telling a story. Wouldn't be the first time someone misrepresented who they were. 



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Huh. I never thought of it, but now looking at pictures of them both, they do look a lot alike. Corypheus then, would likely be the only one who really knows what he is, because the Architect, at least in his conversations with the Warden Commander, didn't know. Of course, he could have been telling a story. Wouldn't be the first time someone misrepresented who they were. 

 

Earlier on I was fairly certain the Architect was simply truly amnesiac, but now I'm not so sure.  Corypheus was a megalomaniac, crazy as beets, but the Architect, if he truly remembers like Corypheus does, is simply of a more mature personality.  He's accepted his fate and is determined to do something with it, hence his plan to turn the darkspawn into a sentient nation.  To do that, he needs the help of the Wardens, and in order to gain their alliance, he lies.  A Darkspawn who randomly gained sentience one day and hopes for peace is at least -slightly- more trustworthy sounding that "Hi I'm one of the Magisters who started all the blights and I want to make the Darkspawn sentient so that there is peace with the surface, you guys can let that whole 'sacrificed thousands and caused the downfall of mankind out of hubris' thing slide, right?"


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Earlier on I was fairly certain the Architect was simply truly amnesiac, but now I'm not so sure.  Corypheus was a megalomaniac, crazy as beets, but the Architect, if he truly remembers like Corypheus does, is simply of a more mature personality.  He's accepted his fate and is determined to do something with it, hence his plan to turn the darkspawn into a sentient nation.  To do that, he needs the help of the Wardens, and in order to gain their alliance, he lies.  A Darkspawn who randomly gained sentience one day and hopes for peace is at least -slightly- more trustworthy sounding that "Hi I'm one of the Magisters who started all the blights and I want to make the Darkspawn sentient so that there is peace with the surface, you guys can let that whole 'sacrificed thousands and caused the downfall of mankind out of hubris' thing slide, right?"

I never even considered this until today. Fascinating. They are both articulate, look a lot alike, that can't be a coincidence.



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Maybe the Architect succeeds about giving the darkspawn a mind and comes with a both powerful and smart horde. Now that would be the end of Thedas.



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The return of the architect as a magister will make him one of the most interesting factors of the series. I truly believe like cory he forgot who he was and wanted to make peace between the darkspwan who he saw as his brothers since they are races corrupted like him and the surface. What would be interesting is if and when he gets his memory back and how it can conflict him on his current goal. Cory seemed to remember more as the years past and maybe once he body hoped that new body refreshed his mind more to who he use to be. So for those who killed the architect him body hoping could have made him remember and maybe because of that action he now has the impressions the surface will never accept not only what he has become but his brothers making him a future villain. But unlike Cory who is more brash and direct the architect reminds me of what  info dorian gives us about tevinter nobles. There politics is similar to the game so I am sure in his time the architect has that title for a reason. Cory's name basically means he was the conductor he may have contrubited to the plans to reach the golden city by leading the plans but I feel it was the architect who may have created those plans for Cory to conduct. So he is smart and cunning has the intelligence to possibly make the darkspwan into a new empire. A architect spared and allied with will eventually have heard of Cory's actions so now if he had a hidden agenda in the past he now be conflicted on what he wanted then and what he wants now. The fact they were priest and all 7 saw the golden city black I am sure The architect is going through his own emotional struggle like cory but just in his own way. Cory seems more religious while Archy seems more science and revolutionary.



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Maybe the Architect succeeds about giving the darkspawn a mind and comes with a both powerful and smart horde. Now that would be the end of Thedas.

or not, since they are immortal, do not need to eat and reproduce (although they do so via Broodmothers) and since the Song is gone and they are no longer compulsed to violence by it (and have learned to be civil thanks to Velanna and the Grey Wardens), we all can live in peace, with the darkspawn receeding to the lower deep roads and allowing the dwarves to resettle the upper thaigs.

(utopic, I know, but equally possibly)



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So, I happened across a tumblr post claiming David Gaider confirmed in an interview the Architect is one of the ancient magisters.

Is there any truth to that?



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I think we can all agree that the Architect not being a Tevinter Magister would be boring, and therefore wrong.



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I think the Magisters/Priests embody the opposite of the god they worship. Corypheus worshiped Dumat, the god of silence, yet he wouldn't shut the **** up. The Architect was probably the High Priest of Zazikel or Razikale ('cause he's wearing a mask). During the first blight, the Grey Wardens discovered a bunch of darkspawn that could talk and were resistant to the call. They took the most powerful one of these darkspawn, Corypheus, and sealed it away. Corypheus was asleep for over a thousand years, so the events of the Black City were fresh in his head, while a thousand years could put wear on the Architect's memories. David Gaider said in an interview, "The Architect and Corypheus are the same type of character." Corypheus was also called The Conductor, implying he was the leader of the High Priests, and "The Architect" has an alternative meaning.



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So, I happened across a tumblr post claiming David Gaider confirmed in an interview the Architect is one of the ancient magisters.

Is there any truth to that?

http://shallowgraves...n-age-universe/



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I have thought about Architect quite a lot and I'm pretty convinced that his ancient magister. Everything fits too well for it to be coincidence, I mean he's basically like Corypheus with the look, magical power and aura, just personality and memories are different.

 

It'd be very intresting to see what the Architect will do when he finds out what he was or when he regains his memories. He seems to genuinely care about darkspawn and their future, he's pretty much only pro-darkspawn character we have in the series :P In other hand it's possible that he has been just tricking us to believe that and he has known what he is all along. I think this is less likely, but still possible.

 

Also I think the Architect and Corypheus have different kind of skills. Corypheus has very similar skills as old gods, ability to influence darkspawn and wardens with calling and body-hopping, but the Architect at least seems to lack the calling since he during book and games seemed to have some authority over darkspawn like by his presence forbid them to kill someone, but that seemed to be mostly cause darkspawn avoided and kind of feared him, not because he can influence their minds. He doesn't seem to have any control over Wardens minds.



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The Architect is certainly a magister whom I hope we'll meet again (it seems reasonable to assume that he body-hopped into Seranni or Utha if he was killed). 

 

In addition, it also seems that there are at least two other living magisters out there who have yet to be discovered:

 

"Reminds me of a story my grandsire used to tell, about something his grandsire did. Said he once came upon a group of three darkspawn in the Deeper Roads, each twice the size of any dwarf—bigger than humans, even—and dressed up like kings. He watched from the shadows and said they talked, like people, about things he couldn't understand. A city gone black, and they blamed each other for things but could barely remember for what. My mam was like that: never remembered the slight, just that she was angry. Story goes they attacked each other, and one ran off while the second choked the third to death and then ate him." - Codex entry: A Different Darkspawn?

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