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[kamilszmid]

I know that there is a big topic on Leliana, but I just wanted to share my thoughts in a separate thread.

 

I really enjoyed Leliana in DAO, as she was one of the most adorable characters and a counterweight to rather sinister Morrigan. It was still nice to meet her in DA2 and back then she did not seem to had changed a lot. But in DAI I find her character to be either totally bland or almost appalling.

 

I know about the difference between hardened and unhardened Leliana. I kept her ethical during the entire playthrough, but I really did not like her seriousness and I found her completely uninteresting. No real twists, no big emotions, no friendship either. She was so completely engaged with her role that she seemed to have lost her character completely - the personal quest was certainly a proof of that.

 

At the same time her hardened version is just so far away from whom we knew in Origins that her transformation seems completely unbelievable and unlikely. From a sweet and faithful person she turns into a ruthless witch - worse than Morrigan used to be when they first met with Leliana. At the same time she is still trying to convince herself and everybody else that she is doing this for greater good. Come on, really?

 

While I really loved Morrigan in Inquisition and I think that her characted development is extremely well done, I think that they missed completely the point with Leliana - I do not want to see her in any future DA game (unless she burns as a heretic who she is quite likely to be in the future...).

 

Do you share my opinion? I am interested what you have to say.

[Br3admax]

Or she was just pretending to act a certain way in Origins to get the Warden to trust her. Because, you know, she's a bard.

 

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[(Disgusted noise.)]

I'm the opposite. I found her annoying in DAO, infuriating in DA2, but after DAI, I have to say I like her. Still not one of my favorite characters, but definitely someone I have positive feelings for. I just find her motivations and dilemmas a lot more compelling this time. She felt like a real person this time rather than someone who was written for the purpose of being liked.

[thats1evildude]

She still speaks of the Warden fondly, so she's good in my books.

[N7_Heartfire]

Given what she has been through throughout the years since Origins, the development seemed natural, if not expected.

 

Morrigan lived in the luxury of the Orlesian court and Empress Celene for many years, she had her son with her and she was away from Flemeth's grasp, while Leliana was being used by Justinia as a tool for nearly a decade, constantly putting her own life at risk, and, unconsciously, losing herself. Justinia herself realised this very late.

So, of course Morrigan would end up being the more happy person while Leliana the more bitter and sad.

Just because her character development didn't end with her being a happy, cheerful person but a dark and cynical one that doesn't mean it's necessarily bad writing. It's still a pretty damn good, realistic portrayal of her character. Sad but believable.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well i can't say that im her big fan in either game but here in fact she was more part of mechanic than companion/character that you built any emotional connection even our character don't rly care.

[kamilszmid]

Given what she has been through throughout the years since Origins, the development seemed natural, if not expected.

 

Morrigan lived in the luxury of the Orlesian court and Empress Celene for many years, she had her son with her and she was away from Flemeth's grasp, while Leliana was being used by Justinia as a tool for nearly a decade, constantly putting her own life at risk, and, unconsciously, losing herself. Justinia herself realised this very late.

So, of course Morrigan would end up being the more happy person while Leliana the more bitter and sad.

Just because her character development didn't end with her being a happy, cheerful person but a dark and cynical one that doesn't mean it's necessarily bad writing. It's still a pretty damn good, realistic portrayal of her character. Sad but believable.

I think that with Morrigan it was not about luxury and palace happiness. We know that life with Empress sometimes was no easier than Korcari Wilds hardships. I think that Kieran was what changed and softened Morrigan. I never really thought that Morrigan was evil, in Oirigins she even was endearing sometimes (especially right before the Denerim battle).

[In Exile]

Justinia really took advantage of Leliana. It's why (IMO) she apologises - she uses her as a weapon. And that decade long period of service takes a tool on Leliana. Even unhardened.

[SlottsMachine]

Yeah, she's a bum. 

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Or she was just pretending to act a certain way in Origins to get the Warden to trust her. Because, you know, she's a bard.

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Or it's because she didn't want to accept who she was or used to be, no matter how true some parts of it might still be. That is, if she was even sure of who she was in the first place. Y'know, kinda the whole point of her character arc in Origins. If it was all just to screw with the Warden alone her disapproval wouldn't exist, she'd just adapt.

Not to mention Origins Leliana still pokes through sometimes even now.

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[Ynqve]

I'm the opposite. I thought Leliana was alright but not one of my favorites in DAO but I loved her in Inquisition. 

[Linkenski]

I think the whole angsty side of her was okay considering it was backed up with a lot of logic since the divine died, she lost her faith and potentially could've lost her lover (the warden) and it makes for a nice little choice-arc about making her soothen up or harden her. I just wish she hadn't needed to physically represent her new persona so superficially with that hoodie and being a spymaster and having those crows. I didn't like how she had to be so mysterious and dark on the surface all of a sudden.

[Bob Walker]

During some War Table conversations, Leliana seems to be more humorous and friendly. In other moments, she seems to be too aloof and isolated (surrounded by crows). And sometimes, I think she is kinda portrayed like a crazy person, i.e.: her conversation about what she would do as the next Divine (hardened version). I agree with some players saying that felt sorry for her.

[jlb524]

Leliana just stole my chocolates

[EmissaryofLies]

The b*tch is just weird; she is disturbed and needs psychological help.

[Obvious_Shining]

Always been a "meh" to me. In Origins i am not sure how you can prefer her over Morrigan, but i guess people have different opinions.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Leliana is more closer to the Warden and company than she is to the Inquisition. They fought together and lived in the same camp. In DAI, she's too busy playing spy master and you never see her socialize much anyway.

 

She's way nicer around Josephine because they know each other. She's only cold and distant around people she doesn't trust and because one of her closest friend (Divine Justinia) just died, she's a bit pissed off.

[Rekkampum]

I guess it depends. I honestly found her to be a bit annoying in the first game. Her past life as a bard was perhaps the only thing I truly liked about her. Seeing her evolve from a super-optimistic acolyte into the gritty Nightingale perhaps was a much needed dose of perspective her character missed. Especially when she's expressing her doubts about the Chantry's teaching and the Maker. It was totally an about-face that grounded her, given what she had to do as the Left Hand and someone who admired the Divine. But yeah, seeing the lady who talked about shoes and recited tales of history - not to mention, sung that awesome rendition - now a hardass was shocking.

[His Name was HYR!!]

 Pity she was not a romance option. If there's any character in this game who needs sex, it's her!!

[GenericEnemy]

Always been a "meh" to me. In Origins i am not sure how you can prefer her over Morrigan, but i guess people have different opinions.

 

Well firstly because unlike Morrigan she's interested in female Wardens, secondly because I just liked her more. Funny how that works yeah. 

 

 

 Pity she was not a romance option. If there's any character in this game who needs sex, it's her!!

 

The Warden will attend to that when she returns. 

[KaiserShep]

I found her character crossed over into saccharine territory a bit too often in Origins, like when telling those stories, but especially during that camp singing. I like this hardened, colder Leliana. I was amused when the Inquisitor tells her she must have some good stories as a bard, and she says that there are plenty of tales in the library XD. My Warden would be proud.

[Obb42]

At the same time her hardened version is just so far away from whom we knew in Origins that her transformation seems completely unbelievable and unlikely. From a sweet and faithful person she turns into a ruthless witch - worse than Morrigan used to be when they first met with Leliana. At the same time she is still trying to convince herself and everybody else that she is doing this for greater good. Come on, really?

 

 

I'd say executing traitors and enemies is an entirely reasonable course of action.

 

Edit: Oops, took the first part out of quotation marks. That was the op not me.

[Computron2000]

Given what she has experienced, her portrayal in dai is pretty realistic but not optimal (both for her and the inquisition)

 

I like the part in the chantry where she finds that sometimes mercy given gives a karmic reward. But all emotions aside, from the cold hard point of logic, the girl was just a runner, so killing her would net nothing in anyway. Letting her send a message back to her mistress was a lot more useful 

 

And the first thing that hit me with conversation about the traitor was why?

 

Why did the guy betray them? Obviously he was trusted enough to rise high in their organization. If he was in anyway a deep cover mole, their entire operation was already busted. If he was forced though circumstances (standard hostage family, etc), getting him back would be a more useful option. At the very least, getting some creative torturers to work would get him to spill information on enemy contacts which would be a handle to root out cells.

 

Again pure logic dictates that her course of action was simply wasting information, manpower and opportunities for little to no gain. This is the reason why a softer Leilana is actually more productive and effective than one that kills everything.

[Milana]

Its the opposite to me.I didnt care much about her in DAO,though of course my Warden was friends with her like with everybody But in DAI i became to like her(the mage quest did it to me), I like how supportive she is for mages so she is my canon Divine in every playthrough (im siding with templars now(ser barris duh) and wonder if i can still get her as a divine, i try to support mages all the times possible mb that will help somehow)