Yeah it's really weird, especially when you need Morrigan to translate your own language to you
Not really unless your a mage because I wouldn't think a hunter would be one of the first one to learn a written language It would isn't completely necessary and if your clan doesn't run in to other clans or find ancient ruins to teach themselves and then it might be wrong so even
Abelas called my elf a Shemlen, the cheek of it!!
haha, I took so much offense to that, I was like "you might be an elitist ancient elven dick, but atleast acknowledge that I'm not human!"
haha, so much fail when playing an elf
I wonder what he says to teh Qunari?!
Maybe...*wink wink nudge nudge* she's quizzing Morrigan to see just how much she (Morrigan) really knows...
It didn't exactly ruin the playthrough for me and I do imagine that it's probably a similar affair for all non human races in the game.
Just with the story revolving around teh Elven race more this time it felt like a failure.
I like the points some people have made though, maybe if the inquisitors we made had actual origin stories they could have explained these things and we wouldn't be left with plot holes, haha.
Saying that though I'm replaying DA:O right now with an Elven mage and seeing lot's of options to ask about the circle, which I've apparently only ever known.... haha, I get it's there for nw players to learn and you don;t need to ask about it.
Seems like they missed that this time around.
"what's Mythal?".... indeed. lol
Not really unless your a mage because I wouldn't think a hunter would be one of the first one to learn a written language It would isn't completely necessary and if your clan doesn't run in to other clans or find ancient ruins to teach themselves and then it might be wrong so even
Not really unless your a mage because I wouldn't think a hunter would be one of the first one to learn a written language It would isn't completely necessary and if your clan doesn't run in to other clans or find ancient ruins to teach themselves and then it might be wrong so even
We have an entry on the aravels that comes from a journal written by one of the Dalish hunters, Taniel.
Let's not forget that the dalish Inquisitor also asks Morrigan, 'who is Mythal' at the Temple of Mythal. Is s/he stupid, or just trolling Morrigan?
This really irked me, what if for the entire game you responded to 'I believe in the elven gods' when asked if you believe in the maker only to get derp faced when Morrigan mentions mythal. Im convinced it was an oversight in a game with thousands of lines of dialogue.
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Race reactivity in general seems to be on the low side if you're playing a race that's actually relevant to anything south of Seheron it seems. Didn't notice it too much as qunari because there's not a whole lot of things a random qunari mercenary would know about, but it's more noticable with my dwarf. Guess that applies to elves too.
But modern elves are shemlen to him, that's the point.
Considering there's elvish for other races, like durgen’len (for dwarves, which Solas uses in the Common Language translation when speaking to Varric at times) that comes across as quite odd.
Shemlen really just means "quick ones or quick children" The humans were called that because of their short lives by the immortal elves so, to them, yes a modern Dalish IS a shemlen as much as a human is..
Considering there's elvish for other races, like durgen’len (for dwarves, which Solas uses in the Common Language translation when speaking to Varric at times) that comes across as quite odd.
I just thought my Dalish wasn't familiar with their particular vocabulary. Dalish only speak snippets of Elven, each clan probably has their own little dictionaries, that are slightly different from one another.
Or that everybody spoke Elven with a heavy accent or dialect that only made parts understandable. If you speak High German and you hear Swabian for the first time, you're probably only going to grasp a word or two, cause it sounds really different, despite it being the same language.
Shemlen really just means "quick ones or quick children" The humans were called that because of their short lives by the immortal elves so, to them, yes a modern Dalish IS a shemlen as much as a human is..
All we really know is that shemlen means human, aside from its literal translation that is. It is derived from the words for quick and children in reference to their mortality, yes, but there's nothing to suggest that calling a Dalish elf a shemlen actually makes sense. I mean, why would it? Because both are mortal? That'd be like calling an apple an orange because both are fruits. And both are mortal, I guess.
But hey, words can have multiple definitions, I guess. Or Abelas literally called the inquisitor a human, but that's just silly. And rude. Which might have been the point, I suppose.
I'm too tired to think about this anymore.
This is why I can never bring myself to play an Elf in this game. It is clear that for 99% of the time, you are seen as a human. You only have the knowledge of a human, and you act like a human.
The fact that a Dalish character has to ask about Dalish history, or can't understand elvish, shows that it was tacked on late in production, most likely because they intended Hawke to be the Inquisitor originally.
That's like a dwarf born into royalty in Orzammar asking what a Shaperate is....Oh wait...
There are definitely issues with the Temple of Mythal dialogues, but there are good elf-specific interactions with Harding, Minaeve, Vivienne, Solas, and in the Temple (and likely elsewhere as well). I felt pretty strongly that my Lavellan had a unique roleplaying experience based on race.
Salishan just sounds like it would be a beautiful language, just by its name.
Here you go:
http://youtu.be/OR8n70gTyRk?list=PLM0Syo7MHV_-zSr4gnX1mHhSj4GHUzHM6
Abelas called my elf a Shemlen, the cheek of it!!
haha, I took so much offense to that, I was like "you might be an elitist ancient elven dick, but atleast acknowledge that I'm not human!"
haha, so much fail when playing an elf
I wonder what he says to teh Qunari?!
He called my durgen'len a shemlen also. Probably a scripting bug.
Or, to Abelas all mortals are Shemlen, regardless of race. Perhaps even a modern immortal, were there one, would be a Shemlen to him, someone not of his ilk, not and immortal elf.
The Temple of Mythal makes me cringe every time I go through it. I can accept the Dalish not understanding ancient Elven and even them misunderstanding a bit of Dalish history, but not knowing the names of their own gods is where I draw the line. Fix this bug, Bioware. 
I'm syill building up the 'power' to go do that mission wit hteh Mythal dialogue, lol, so sick of grinding out power. This is suposed to be a pure story run.
But yeah, I also meant to mention about the Eluvian as she seems totally clueless to that too. But I guess I'd have to play DA2's Meryl story again to remind me if they're generally a mystery to the Dalish or not.
I'm guessing she won't recognize Flemeth/Asha bel'anar either, even though she's apparently well known to teh Dalish Elves..
The elluvians are not widely known to the Dalish or at least to all Dalish clans. I remember back in Origins when playing a Dalish warden noone knew what that strange mirror was. Other than that it does bother me a lot that my elven Inquisitor does not speak elven or knows about the Gods I repeatedly said I believe in.
Not knowing the gods does bug me, I assume that is a bug or oversight on the part of the Devs. A Dalish inquisitor, even if he happens to have converted to Adrastianism, would have been raised learning the names of the gods and, their roles. He would know that. Not knowing much if any ancient elven and, being a shemlen to them, fine, I get that but not the ignorance of the gods.
Let's not forget that the dalish Inquisitor also asks Morrigan, 'who is Mythal' at the Temple of Mythal. Is s/he stupid, or just trolling Morrigan?
This one is just stupid!
The inquisitor should be the one telling to Morrigan "who is Mythal".
Some of the things mentioned here are on the level of Shepard's famous quastions/remarks:
'Asari can reproduce with each other?'
Of course they can, you retard from earth, but the dude who'se controlling your actions on a television screen needs to know what's going on as well.
Also Shepard:
'Yeah, they tried the same to us'
No in universe character would ever ask these questions unless they were used as punching bags while they were still babies, but they have to be said to make the player understand what's going on. They become very annoying on subsequent playthroughs, but on the first they are almost necessary.
I believe one of the writers said that the Inquisitor was meant to look smart about certain things even if the player didn't know. Which means that an elf inquisitor would be the one telling Morrigan who Mythal was, if not just discussing the god with her, rather than outright saying "wut." It was either an oversight or a scripting bug.
There are ways to have your PC infodump so the player can learn what they should damn well already know about their world and culture.
I believe one of the writers said that the Inquisitor was meant to look smart about certain things even if the player didn't know. Which means that an elf inquisitor would be the one telling Morrigan who Mythal was, if not just discussing the god with her, rather than outright saying "wut." It was either an oversight or a scripting bug.
There are ways to have your PC infodump so the player can learn what they should damn well already know about their world and culture.
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