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[Rogue Master]

So was it?

I know it can be used to despawn demons from fade-rift, but was it really necessary? 

[Lulupab]

It also instantly removes enemy barrier and restores your barrier if you upgrade it.

[actionhero112]

Glyphs.

Barriers on bosses. (fiona, aspect of the nightmare, etc) 

% damage upgrade

Eldrich detonator (I think that part's glitched though)

Enchantments on Wraiths.

Rage Demon barriers

Sellsword barriers

Despair demon barriers

Abomination barriers

Wraith barriers

Mage barriers

Rift despawn

debuff removal

 

 

It's safe to say dispel is one of the better spells in the game, people overlook it because "no direct damage hurdurr." 

[Elhanan]

It acted as a detonator for some combos, removed Glyphs, Barriers, and possibly other buffs. Not essential, but seemingly very handy.

[Fiery Phoenix]

It makes incredibly short work of rifts if you use it properly. That alone makes it win.

[Molohk]

Glyphs.

Barriers on bosses. (fiona, aspect of the nightmare, etc) 

% damage upgrade

Eldrich detonator (I think that part's glitched though)

Enchantments on Wraiths.

Rage Demon barriers

Sellsword barriers

Despair demon barriers

Abomination barriers

Wraith barriers

Mage barriers

Rift despawn

debuff removal

 

 

It's safe to say dispel is one of the better spells in the game, people overlook it because "no direct damage hurdurr." 

 

 Also that beam that transforms red templars

[teks]

Its slightly less strong then that stuff you walk through between levels in portal. You know, the stuff that removes your fillings.

[JaegerBane]

Glyphs.
Barriers on bosses. (fiona, aspect of the nightmare, etc) 
% damage upgrade
Eldrich detonator (I think that part's glitched though)
Enchantments on Wraiths.
Rage Demon barriers
Sellsword barriers
Despair demon barriers
Abomination barriers
Wraith barriers
Mage barriers
Rift despawn
debuff removal
 
 
It's safe to say dispel is one of the better spells in the game, people overlook it because "no direct damage hurdurr."

Barriers in general aren't that big a deal (particularly not for Mages, which typically have sky-high barrier damage bonuses) and it's hardly the only spell that works as a detonator, so in reality the only thing it has squarely in its favour is the fade rift lolpwn.

In a game where you can only fit 8 abilities on your quick bar, its debatable whether this justifies a slot. It might work for you but don't dismiss anyone's reasons to dump it.

[Feranel]

In a game where you can only fit 8 abilities on your quick bar, its debatable whether this justifies a slot. It might work for you but don't dismiss anyone's reasons to dump it.

 

We aren't debating whether or not to take it, OP was advocating that it not be in the game, so that you wouldn't get to choose to bring it or not.

[Kaigen42]

Don't forget that it also gets rid of those damn static rings that electric dragons toss on you.

[Nirual86]

Don't forget that it also gets rid of those damn static rings that electric dragons toss on you.

 

And other status effects like burning, panick...especially against demons its very handy. Less so against some other enemies, its definitely one of the most situational abilities in the game.

[actionhero112]

Barriers in general aren't that big a deal (particularly not for Mages, which typically have sky-high barrier damage bonuses) and it's hardly the only spell that works as a detonator, so in reality the only thing it has squarely in its favour is the fade rift lolpwn.

In a game where you can only fit 8 abilities on your quick bar, its debatable whether this justifies a slot. It might work for you but don't dismiss anyone's reasons to dump it.

 

Then don't dismiss my reasons to keep it. No where in my post do I speak of anything other than dispels myriads of benefits and utility to the player that dispel provides. 

 

Please. Barrier removal is legit, as someone who plays almost exclusively nightmare, aoe destruction of barriers is amazing. Not to mention the other benefits that you've ignored. Oh yeah, it's also the largest targeted aoe eldrich detonator in the game. IN THE GAME. THE. ENTIRE. GAME. 

 

Oh yeah did I mention that it's on an 8 second cooldown, and the 25% damage buff lasts for 10 seconds?

 

So it's clearly worth a slot. 

[Psyfun]

Dispel is probably the individually strongest spell in the game? I'm talking overall versatility, not damage. I guess you might justify it as too powerful and thus shouldn't have been in the game? Beyond that there's every reason for it to be in the game. Spell Purge is almost as good but is: A) Specialization dependent; B) On user rather than targeted. So it doesn't quite compare.

[JaegerBane]

Then don't dismiss my reasons to keep it.

Perhaps you didn't read the post properly, but I wasn't dismissing your reasons, and I wasn't ignoring anything. It's great harping on about its AoE and your l33t nightmare skillz but the fact of the matter is that it's up against spells that literally kills dragons in seconds (static cage + energy barrage), resurrect the whole squad (resurgence), have zero cool downs (spirit blade) and can combo with the mage's own spells (stonefist)... Dispel has its uses but it's a situational spell, it's not some kind of i win button that only idiots would do without. For some, that isn't enough to justify a slot, and it isn't fair to write that off as some doofus thinking purely about damage.

[actionhero112]

Perhaps you didn't read the post properly, but I wasn't dismissing your reasons, and I wasn't ignoring anything. It's great harping on about its AoE and your l33t nightmare skillz but the fact of the matter is that it's up against spells that literally kills dragons in seconds (static cage + energy barrage), resurrect the whole squad (resurgence), have zero cool downs (spirit blade) and can combo with the mage's own spells (stonefist)... Dispel has its uses but it's a situational spell, it's not some kind of i win button that only idiots would do without. For some, that isn't enough to justify a slot, and it isn't fair to write that off as some doofus thinking purely about damage.

 

Why do you care so much about dragons when you don't have to defeat a single one to beat the game? 

 

There are more enemies with normal barriers than there are dragons. Alexius, Aspect of the Nightmare, Fiona, Rage demons, Wraiths, Mages etc all have barriers and you encounter them quite frequently. Not to mention the huge massive variety debuffs, glyphs and buffs you dispel, as well as how great of an eldrich detonator it is.

 

Idgaf about dragons because I, you and everyone on these forums knows that you can murder them quite easily with one thousand cuts in 4 seconds. Does that mean every class besides tempest is complete crap? No. But by your logic, anything that doesn't kill dragons immediately isn't worth a slot, so why play any other class.

 

Energy Barrage and Static Cage is hardly 8 combat slots. I can easily fit Dispel into my slots without  having to sacrifice any of my bread and butter spells. 

[zeypher]

Dispel is extremely useful as it provides great utility, good size, its a detonator as well. I find it to be extremely good.

[teks]

Dispell as one of the strongest spells in the game?

Absolutely.

If this game was harder it would be even stronger.

[JaegerBane]

Why do you care so much about dragons when you don't have to defeat a single one to beat the game?

There are more enemies with normal barriers than there are dragons. Alexius, Aspect of the Nightmare, Fiona, Rage demons, Wraiths, Mages etc all have barriers and you encounter them quite frequently. Not to mention the huge massive variety debuffs, glyphs and buffs you dispel, as well as how great of an eldrich detonator it is.

Idgaf about dragons because I, you and everyone on these forums knows that you can murder them quite easily with one thousand cuts in 4 seconds. Does that mean every class besides tempest is complete crap? No. But by your logic, anything that doesn't kill dragons immediately isn't worth a slot, so why play any other class.

Energy Barrage and Static Cage is hardly 8 combat slots. I can easily fit Dispel into my slots without having to sacrifice any of my bread and butter spells.

Unless you can't understand English, I suspect you know what I was getting at, and it certainly wasn't anything to do with claiming two spells take up 8 slots, anything that can't kill dragons in seconds is useless, dismissing other people's choices, all other classes are crap or whatever hysterical hyperbole you're trying to place in my mouth - so let's not pretend any of that has anything to do with my point.

All I was *actually* saying is that a situational spell is not going to be the top of everyone's list when the slots are at a premium. It's really not that hard a point to grasp.

[teks]

Yeah, but its a situational spell for so many situations it'll end up useful in every encounter.

[Psyfun]

All I was *actually* saying is that a situational spell is not going to be the top of everyone's list when the slots are at a premium. It's really not that hard a point to grasp.

The only time dispel isn't useful is ... wait no it's always useful since it's still a detonator even when there's nothing else to dispel. How exactly is that situational?

 

I'm not trying to ignore your point that some people may not want to use it. That's fine, the game should be played how people want, since it's for enjoyment. I'm just pointing out that it has far more situations where it is useful than any other spell.

[JaegerBane]

Yeah, but its a situational spell for so many situations it'll end up useful in every encounter.

The problem is it isn't equally useful in every encounter. The number of times it's genuinely a lifesaver is vastly outweighed by the times where it's just a shortcut for dealing with barriers. It's rarely worthless but it's also rarely doing something another spell (or attack) couldn't do.

It's neat in that it lets you circumvent some really screwy situations, but you're paying an opportunity cost for that which, as I say, includes all sorts of crazy moves.

[teks]

The cost of a single slot, oh lordy how could we afford such a cost!

[brazen_nl]

The only time it's useful as a detonator is for Rogue Sleep (and even then I'd rather detonate with an Impact detonator). For the rest, it's just a basic combo, better detonated by other means (and Weakness can be done with a single spell).