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[line_genrou]

What happened to Leliana? By the end of the game she's ruthless. By the way, loved her story arc.

But really, what's with her?

 

In my game she became the divine and is kiling those who oppose to her

[BloodyTalon]

Basically it comes down to if you let her kill some people or not, also how you handle her after haven gets sacked and what you say then.

If you let her kill the spy, say the people that died are just soliders and so on she becomes ruthless.

[TeraBat]

I was so sad about that on my first playthrough! 

 

I totally let her off the guy in the beginning, because I figured she knew what she was doing. And even though I went with all the 'softening' options after, it was too late. It's possible she ended up less bad than she could have been... but it was still disheartening to watch. And I threw everything I could at Cass, but it was not enough. 

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

She can cool down a bit with the right choices, and be a bit less crazy.

[Element Zero]

She was always a bit crazy. When you first meet the character, she thinks she's the Maker's chosen, much to the party's amusement. She seemed to get crazier in the decade that followed.

[ashlover mark 2]

You have take the moral highground in conversations every time her dagger hand gets itchy. 

[line_genrou]

She was always a bit crazy. When you first meet the character, she thinks she's the Maker's chosen, much to the party's amusement. She seemed to get crazier in the decade that followed.

In my headcanon Leliana was in love with my warden and never got over him. That contributed to her bitterness 

[rubynorman]

What Cole said after you had soften Leliana makes me think softening her was a right choice.

Spoiler

The left hand blooms on the bush, remembering the light that shone her in her darkness. She knows how to sing again

[snackrat]

You have to be reeeeally fluffy in every dialogue with her. There's no room for pragmatism, pragmatism means ruthlessness (apparently).

 

Really since you have to do some specific things for her to NOT end up ruthless, it's more of a 'softening'. Don't let her kill the spy (refusing to intervene still leaves her ruthless). Pull back the scouts. Don't kill the sister.

 

Those first two - especially the spy - really bother me. Butler killed a man. Knows the others. She wanted to kill him cleanly. Painlessly, if possible. That's already the most practical option without disregarding him as a person. Imprisoning a professional spy turned double-agent seems doomed. To. Fail. (Though he's never mentioned again so I suppose if he was in the cells of Haven, he may have been... left there. But Alexius/Knight Whatsit comes with you.)

As for the scouts, scouting is their JOB. I don't believe in the idea of soldier's under my command being xpendable but hiding them all in Skyhold for fear of losing a single one just isn't realistic.

[Spooky81]

Hated seeing a hardened Leliana acting brutal and ruthless as she was.  It's more closer in line with reality than one would think, though.  Anyone that's been paying attention knows politics in Ferelden and Orlais are a shark tank.  If there's one lesson to be learned from RR Martin's GoT and real world politics in general, it's that you don't get to the top and stay there by being the nice guy.  At least a hardened Leliana is on your side and acting for the greater good.

[Lucrece]

You have to be reeeeally fluffy in every dialogue with her. There's no room for pragmatism, pragmatism means ruthlessness (apparently).

 

Really since you have to do some specific things for her to NOT end up ruthless, it's more of a 'softening'. Don't let her kill the spy (refusing to intervene still leaves her ruthless). Pull back the scouts. Don't kill the sister.

 

Those first two - especially the spy - really bother me. Butler killed a man. Knows the others. She wanted to kill him cleanly. Painlessly, if possible. That's already the most practical option without disregarding him as a person. Imprisoning a professional spy turned double-agent seems doomed. To. Fail. (Though he's never mentioned again so I suppose if he was in the cells of Haven, he may have been... left there. But Alexius/Knight Whatsit comes with you.)

As for the scouts, scouting is their JOB. I don't believe in the idea of soldier's under my command being xpendable but hiding them all in Skyhold for fear of losing a single one just isn't realistic.

 

 

And all the murder you disapprove of is seemingly as pragmatic, so I don't get your double standard. She kills the chantry sister because the chantry sister is an agent working for a revered mother who's plotting to ascend in state and oppose the inquisition. You know what happens when the chantry unites against something, right? Leliana can't allow  chantry leader that contradicts the inquisition or you have a holy war waiting to happen.

 

She also kills all chantry opposition when she becomes Divne because in case you have not recalled, many attempted against Justinia's life from inside the Chantry.

 

Something tells me that if it were some dirty looking guy who got his throat slit instead of a babyfaced woman, we wouldn't get such a strong reaction against her ruthlessness. It's more normal for brutal violence to be seen against men than on women, let alone nuns.

 

I got soft Leliana because if you haven't noticed there's no such thing as "painless" death in medieval times. All of it involves stabbing, and death by standard poisoning is actually really painful. Plus she was acting on not only a hunch, but she didn't know if the double agent was acting under duress.

 

So some people need to make peace that if you justify death by pragmatism, you don't get t just pick and choose based on what makes you queasy. Leliana's development is just in line with what you've let her do.

[Han Shot First]

I can understand why some people might prefer the more soft Leliana, particularly those who had their Warden romance her, as she's more likable. But I think the more ruthless version of her has a better chance at being successful as Divine. 

[KaiserShep]

I rather like hardened Leliana, and am tempted to make her Divine in my canon playthrough, because the Chantry kinda does need a bit of cleaning. She's like an angel of death, and the best part is that she's totally on your side.

[ashlover mark 2]

Ruthless Leliana is spooky. I can just imagine my HOF comeing back home to a more staby Leliana. 

 

Warden Commander Stephen Cousland: "Hey babe i'm back, I've missed you, I see you're Divine now what's that like?" 

 

Staby Leliana : Wonderful my love! A group of dissenters disapproved of my choice of spring shoes so I called for an exalted march against Nevarra. The purges are going on at this very moment."

 

Warden Commander Stephen Cousland: "0.0... WTF Trevelyan ?!?!"

[KaiserShep]

Heh, depends on the Warden, I guess. My Warden got a taste of the assassin life, and enjoyed it, and similarly had Leliana embrace what she was as well. In her place, my Warden would probably have started eliminating opposition in the Chantry as well, because ain't nobody got time for that. I imagine that at least in each other's company, it wouldn't be all ice and daggers.

[sylvanaerie]

Princess Stabbity Leliana became divine in my first playthrough till i learned how to make her not so stabbity.  Vivienne became divine on my second, though Leliana was softened.  Then Softened Leliana was Divine on my next play.  So I've gotten 3 permutations of that option.  

 

My Daylen Amell was a peaceful healer, softened her in that world state and would have been upset to see what being the Left Hand of the Divine had done to her.  Gawain Cousland (my king) hardened her, kept her as his mistress and I headcanoned she would have been doing pretty much what she does in Inquisition if he was still around and not off gallivanting to the west, so it came as no shock to me how she behaved that time.

 

Ten years of killing is a long time.  I can see why she went all Princess Stabbity.

[ashlover mark 2]

I'm kinda pissed at Justina for useing Leliana like that. I know Leliana is a grown independent woman and she chose to be the left hand, but still... my poor HOF out by himself in the wilderness with no Leliana 

[Fredward]

She isn't though. I mean not all dark. Totally ruthless yes, but there's still that idealistic spark buried deep inside. The change she enacts in the Chantry is she gets elected Divine, even with being ruthless, is ultimately change for the better. Or that's how I see it. Compare it to Viv who makes placating noises about order and stability but is really only in it for personal gain. Leliana genuinely WANTS to make the world better and ruthless her is now actually in a position to do that. Enact positive change on a massive scale in a comparably (with doing it peacefully) short amount of time. I really think Darth Leliana is who she's supposed to be.

[ashlover mark 2]

You know the funny thing is that speech she gives about love, acceptance and faith when she says she will change the chantry sounded freaking looney when I first heard it. It's not what she says but how she says it. The way Corine Kempa lowers her vocie towards the end lol sounded like Leliana was both passionate and obssesed at the same time.

[TEWR]

The question we must ask is, do we want Queen of the Rings Galadriel as Divine or Snow White as Divine?

[sylvanaerie]

I don't think it really matters much since the genre is moving north, but from a personal level I think Leliana is happier softened.  If she's Divine, I think she's more effective (and safer) hardened since politics is a cutthroat arena.

[Isaidlunch]

Softened Leliana is my favorite character in Inquisition, though I can't help but feel that it's a matter of time before she turns to the dark side again and the Warden/Inquisitor/Justinia won't be there to shake her out of it. Softening her feels like it's just delaying the inevitable.

[wright1978]

Adore hardened leliana, definitely my canon choice is her as ruthless reforming divine with her warden as her right hand enforcer.

[javeart]

I don't usually like going around telling our companions what to do or what not to do, so I like letting them go on with their plans of killing anyone, so Garrus kill Sidonis, Fenris kill her sister, Solas kill the mages... But, for some reason, I cannot do that with Leliana, I had to force myself in one or two pt to let her become ruthless, just for the shake of having saves with different outcomes, but I don't  think I'm going to do it ever again. I really can't. It's really weird because I'm not even a huge fan of Leliana to worry that much about how she ends up... But it seems wrong to me