Trying to unhardened Lilly, my first attempt failed.
Stopped her from killing Butler
Told her our people are not tools to be discarded.
Stopped her from killing Natalie.
Yet on that play through, she became hardened.
On my second attempt to have a go at it again.
Same thing happened to me. Pretty sure it's because I chose Templars over Mages. Otherwise, no idea why she didn't soften.
I'm doing a playthrough where I'll take every choice that involves Leliana's people killing people. I hope she's a frothing-at-the-mouth, blood-crazed homicidal maniac at the end who has to be put down like a rabid dog. I do like Leliana and went a completely different route on my first couple of playthroughs (with limited success), but I'm curious about her howling-at-the-moon side.
Well - it all began with the Hero of Ferelden and a woman named...
Marjolaine.
I can understand why some people might prefer the more soft Leliana, particularly those who had their Warden romance her, as she's more likable. But I think the more ruthless version of her has a better chance at being successful as Divine.
Says the guy with the Sidious avatar.
What Cole said after you had soften Leliana makes me think softening her was a right choice.
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Ah yes one of my favorite parts in the game.
Same thing happened to me. Pretty sure it's because I chose Templars over Mages. Otherwise, no idea why she didn't soften.
Odd I sided with the Templars, did all of the above and got softened Leliana.
Trying to unhardened Lilly, my first attempt failed.
Stopped her from killing Butler
Told her our people are not tools to be discarded.
Stopped her from killing Natalie.
Yet on that play through, she became hardened.
On my second attempt to have a go at it again.
Keep in mind you have to select the proper option in the dialogue after she opens the box. If you tell her it was necessary she hardens even if Natalie was spared.
Leiiana is just a product of the times. The fucked up politics and treachery that goes on, not too mention all the death it's a wonder she is not more ruthless. I'd be a lot more wary of her if she was calm and collected a real cleaner mindset. That's cray cray.
Same thing happened to me. Pretty sure it's because I chose Templars over Mages. Otherwise, no idea why she didn't soften.
I can't get Lilly to be divine in my games either, twice it has been Cass no matter what I did. grrrr
Never mind.....she killed Natalie! That's what my daughter said! lol
I can't get Lilly to be divine in my games either, twice it has been Cass no matter what I did. grrrr
Never mind.....she killed Natalie! That's what my daughter said! lol
I can't get Lilly to be divine in my games either, twice it has been Cass no matter what I did. grrrr
Never mind.....she killed Natalie! That's what my daughter said! lol
I think you have to support Cassandras efforts to rebuild the seekers.
Keep in mind you have to select the proper option in the dialogue after she opens the box. If you tell her it was necessary she hardens even if Natalie was spared.
Good grief, this is complicated! What's the proper choice after opening the box? I got her to spare Natalie, but then got the bloody Divine ending.
I don't think either version really has a shot at enacting her vision of sunshine rainbow world as Divine. She'll probably get assassinated and one of the more moderate candidates will have to take over. =(
See, this is why I decided to stick with my Vivienne as divine first playthrough as my 'headcanon'. I figure the next divine is going to get overthrown at best, beheaded at worst, and better that happen to Vivienne than Leliana or Cass. 
The only part of the whole soft/hard Leliana is that it shouldnt need be so ridiculous -- she was a BARD. Princess stabbity shouldn't be made hard or soft over ANY flipping *singular* choice this late in the game. And if she is THAT wishy washy that she can't make a proper and ethical decision on her own, even within bardic rules of ethical on bardic terms, without going all mental? She does NOT deserve to be ANY kind of Divine. Besides that, I am still kind of pissed off that she wouldn't listen to me about Felix. I should have had the choice to send her packing when she decided to defy my direct order to leave Felix alone. I was pretty much pro-Leliana since DAO but that sort of one-track-but-only-her-track mindset is a dangerous one, especially for someone in power. After seeing that I should have been able to relieve her of duty. I was actually so pissed off I walked away from my computer yelling at my husband about her. LOL In previous templar playthroughs I got a "hardened" Leliana despite always trying to buffer her and keep her straight, and I am 99% sure I spared the traitor also. I have no idea what decision made her so ruthless in that playthrough. This one I often get options to treat her like a deviant kindergartener "No Killing. Goooooood Bard." but that one I just tried to be moderate and make the most responsible decisions for the inquisition. *shrugs* I am hoping for a softer Leliana this time around but despite my best efforts, I feel like I am babysitting a not incredibly intelligent serial killer as opposed to an extremely clever and cunning bard.
Good grief, this is complicated! What's the proper choice after opening the box? I got her to spare Natalie, but then got the bloody Divine ending.
There are two options at the end of the dialogue:
Assuming Natalie was spared
"It was necessary" hardens her
"Stop torturing yourself" softens her
Leliana's characterization has always been somewhat suspect. Bioware can't decide who she is and she switches back and forth instead of developing (like Morrigan did for example). Why does her storyline always end up with her needing to be influenced by someone else? Didn't we go through this already?
Leliana's characterization has always been somewhat suspect. Bioware can't decide who she is and she switches back and forth instead of developing (like Morrigan did for example). Why does her storyline always end up with her needing to be influenced by someone else? Didn't we go through this already?
Hardened Leliana damned near broke my heart. There was nothing left of the woman who sang at camp in DA:O. Softened Leliana is an older, wiser version of her. I think she'll do well as Divine; she'll have the shrewdness to see (and thwart) plots and assassins, but she will use gentler methods to run the Chantry. If I can get her there.
I was against her killing the traitor because you need to find out what he knew, and who was behind him. If someone's gotten to people in your network, you need to go after them. Killing one agent won't do it. Sparing him and finding out what he knows might. And if you know he's a traitor, you can watch him and see who he reports to. Killing him might be satisfying, but it's not good tactics.
Leliana's characterization has always been somewhat suspect. Bioware can't decide who she is and she switches back and forth instead of developing (like Morrigan did for example). Why does her storyline always end up with her needing to be influenced by someone else? Didn't we go through this already?
Mmm...it's always been Leliana story.
She's never been a mentally stable person even in Origin.
She used to creep me out back then.
She giggles and tells you how she enjoyed seducing and killing people , she never had a problem with what she was doing.
Also she's broken up about being betrayed by a BARD.I mean yes they were lovers , but Leliana did the same thing to all of her victims.
She's saved by Justinia , suddenly end up a lay sister and think she's the Maker Chosen.
Then the warden can soften her .
Or harden her , and she will confess she was bored as a sister.
Again whatever happens , she goes to the Divine and is used like a tool for years.Out of blind devotion , Leliana again kills willy nilly.
Then the Inquisitor can again change her or push her further down the rabbit hole.
I mean in 10 years , she went from a ruthless bard because she loved Marjolaine.
To a cheery chantry sister , because she loved Justinia.
Then whatever your warden choose for her.
Then Justinia turns her into a ruthless killer again.
Then the Inquisitor can influence her.
Ahh, so somone else noticed that. Yesh that was really good va work there.You know the funny thing is that speech she gives about love, acceptance and faith when she says she will change the chantry sounded freaking looney when I first heard it. It's not what she says but how she says it. The way Corine Kempa lowers her vocie towards the end lol sounded like Leliana was both passionate and obssesed at the same time.
I dont know, i have heard conflicting reports on this. Some day yes, some say no. i followed the softening path exactly on a dead wardem import, and she was still hardened.One question though...
In DA:O my mage warden was romanced with Leliana, but in the end he sacrificed himself to defeat the Archdemon. In this state is it possible to soften Leliana - or the loss of my warden is hardened her too much?
She can cool down a bit with the right choices, and be a bit less crazy.
Less crazy?
Hardened Leliana in DA:I has never been more sane or honest about herself.
I am so curious what Justinia thought about Leliana. Was she using her, did she really like her?
I thought Leliana liked to idolise people and wanted to be them so much, that she was trying to take their personality. Maybe I am wrong, but it seemed first she wanted to be Marjorie, then she wanted to be Andraste, and now Justinia.
Yes, there is a real Leliana in her, but I am not sure she ever dared to face it or admit to herself who or what she is. Very rarely was she even questioning it, there always had to be some outer poke for her (if I recall right).
In another perspective: from early life on she was raised as a tool, used as a tool and she couldn't step out of that role.
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