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[Razored1313]

To my heavily biased mind the best outcome was briala ruling with gaspard but not because I think it's best for Orlais, in my opinion that is gaspard ruling alone. After reading the masked empire I came out of it supporting gaspard while feeling sympathy for briala, but I left despising Celene and hating Orlais even more then before I went in, so in that ending Celene is killed, gaspard get the throne but at the same time briala is also in power helping the elves...AND Orlais is still close to another civil war! Plus ferelden and Orlais make peace, there is literally no downsides for me in that scenario. (Also gaspard never turns his back on the inquisition post game unlike an unopposed Celene)

Wow when did I become such a sadist o_o

[Gambit458]

I did that in the first playthrough, and the ending slide made it seem like it wasn't really that good an outcome. Second playthrough I chose Gaspard and the ending slide said he was doing pretty good. Now I'm going to pick Celene and Briala.

That's what I don't like about the ending slides. No matter who you pick, even if you think it was a good pick they still make it sound like something bad was going to happen later on. 

[DuskWanderer]

I wish there was an option to reconcile Celene and Gaspard and kill Briala. While all three people are horrible, Gaspard is very honorable, and Celene is at least a capable administrator. The two of them could do something together like fortify the borders with Tevinter and keep diplomacy alive. 

 

But Briala is a nothing. She overestimates her own power and usefulness. 

[Jackums]

I role-played a Tevinter mage that sabotaged the southern nations from within, leaving Celene on the throne alone. Gaspard alive in any ending is too risky, and leaving Briala alive to in-fight with Celene was a consideration, but stomping her out and thus leaving the elves without a leader won out for me.

 

Interrupted the Qunari alliance with the Inquisition by saving the Chargers.

Allied with the mages at Redcliffe.

Made Leliana Divine for mage freedom.

Etc, etc.

[Reznore57]

Briala since she supports elves no matter what. Since Gaspard seems like the better choice to get that done...

 

I tried sparing Celene's life and getting her and Briala to reconcile, but there's probably a step I missed because no matter what I do, at best Celene pardons her past crimes and kicks her out of Orlais. After discussing it with Solas afterwards, my character expressed regret over not being able to help the elves more, and his blithe, "Why would you be upset? Oh--because we're both elves! Well, I don't really consider myself one of the elves... Maybe you should see more than a pair of pointed ears" I thought "NO! Not happening!" 

 

 

Spoiler

  You need to find a locket belonging to Briala in the servant quarters.I think you need some Halla statues for that.

Then you show the locket to Briala and says Celene still cares.

And you go talk to Celene Ladies , and tell them you found an elven locket.

The Empress will talk to you , because ouh scandal she kept something from her lover , and you tell her maybe she still loves Briala.She will dismiss that.

But at the end , when you save her , you can tell Briala helped you.And the two will get back together.

 

[Girtuoklis]

Celene is dead,leave that incompetent,plotting ****** in power is bad for both Orlais and Inquisition. Gaspard rules and Inquisitor judges the box.

[Livi14]

Celene and Briala together. All three are power hungry. But unlike the warmongerer Gaspard, Celene and Briala also care for the people of Orlais.

[TevinterSupremacist]

Don't care much for celene or briala, I like having celene assasinated, gaspard seems like a decent fellow. Gaspard all the way.

 

Plus, Val Royeaux has already a powerful establishment led by a woman.

[TK514]

Gaspard alone.  Stable Orlais, allied with Ferelden, and acting openly as a bulwark against Tevinter adventurism into Southwest Thedas.

[Gambit458]

It's Thedas, something bad always happens later on.

 

"Oh, your Mage Warden got the Ferelden Circle freed? Too bad, thanks to the events of DAII the Circles all absolved several years later anyway!"

 

"Oh, your Dalish Warden got the Hinterlands for the Dalish? Too bad, within a few years frictions between Dalish and local humans resulted in some disaster that King Alistair gravely apologizes to Merrill for."

 

"Oh, you elected an Elven Bann of the Denerim Alienage? Too bad, within several years the old tensions between local humans and elves flares up again, with the best possible outcome showing that "much as things change, they always stay the same."

 

"Oh, your Warden survived the Fifth Blight. Too bad, no matter who s/he was or what s/he was doing, s/he disappears not too long after the events of Witch Hunt anyway. (Which is about halfway through DAII)."

 

"Oh, your Hawke became the new Viscount of Kirkwall? Too bad, within a few years s/he disappears without a trace just like the Mage(-supporting) Hawke anyway."

 

I guess it just boils down to which decisions you want to make and which causes you want to fight for, regardless of how the ensuing chaos of the Dragon Age undermines it within a few years.

That's not the point. The point is that no matter what you pick, nothing brings peace. There's no way to stop conflict forever sure, but nothing you pick sounds like it lasts longer than a short while

[Ahalvern]

Celene and Briala reconciled. That way there is the possibility of greater freedom and better lives for City Elves without imminent threats and bloodshed than any other outcome.

 

/flamewall built

 

edit: Also I love this screenshot I have taken for reasons:

 

Spoiler

[errantknight]

Celene is better for Ferelden and (probably) the Free Marches, so I picked her. Spared Gaspard and killed Briala kind of by accident, lol.

[errantknight]

That's not the point. The point is that no matter what you pick, nothing brings peace. There's no way to stop conflict forever sure, but nothing you pick sounds like it lasts longer than a short while

Peace is a lie

[The Ascendant]

Peace is a lie

There is only passion. Through passion I gain strenth. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. Peace is a lie. The Force shall set me free.

[iKomrad]

Celene and Briala reconciled followed by a ménage a trois or rulers. Hey, male Mage inquisitor , what did you expect?

[Dai Grepher]

I think the best outcome for the Inquisition, Orlais, and the world, is the three-way deadlock, where Celene, Gaspard, and Briala work together and keep each other in check.

 

Gaspard is a great military leader and inspires loyalty in his soldiers, but the nobility hate him and he has no skill in persuading them to any cause. Celene is loved by the nobles and the people. She is capable of moving their hearts and minds to achieve worthy goals. She can also negotiate alliances with neighboring countries. But some of her decisions are stupid and uninformed, and she herself can be manipulated by certain social influences of some nobles. This is where Briala excels with her spy network and influence over Orlais' servant class. There are very few nobles beyond her reach. But she can't do anything except cause disturbances that are eventually put down by armored and trained Chevaliers.

 

And herein lies the three-way deadlock. Gaspard can beat Briala, who can beat Celene, who can beat Gaspard. So if any one of them moves against their target, the one targeting them can move against them and stand alone afterward.

 

Now, how this helps Orlais is that Celene guides through diplomacy and rules by law, while Gaspard focuses on creating a strong military to keep the peace and protect the citizens, and Briala supplies information on any domestic threats and encourages the servant class to remain peaceful. With the three of them working together they will advance Orlais' society greatly.

 

It benefits the Inquisition to have them all working together to maintain stability in Orlais and defeat Corypheus. This benefits the rest of the world too by keeping Orlais focused on self betterment, rather than decadence, conquest, or inner strife.

 

And after Corypheus is defeated and the world saved, the Inquisition can withdraw from the situation. If the three of them feel like going back to their old ways of games, backstabbing, and turmoil, then that's up to them. But my Inquisitor was confident that they would prefer to stick to a prosperous way of doing things.

[dgcatanisiri]

TBH, I think the BEST option is to let Celene and Gaspard both die and put Briala on the throne. But that's not an option.

 

As it stands, I side with Briala ruling through Gaspard. Not for lack of appreciation of the three-way deadlock, but frankly, all I get from Celene is that she will uphold the status quo, now with fancier balls and shinier masks. She will do all she can to uphold the damn Game, because she wants to win it. This is the woman who's reaction to a slight loss of standing was to BURN THE ALIENAGE OF HALAMSHIRAL TO THE GROUND. Not to mention her responsibility in the deaths of Briala's family... Yeah, that relationship has the words 'toxic' and 'abusive' written all over it, like HELL if I'll encourage them to reconcile.

 

But Gaspard is no better. His argument for why he should be emperor amounts to 'Celene out-maneuvered me for the throne and IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!' Not to mention his general attitude of elves - he was paying to get scholarly 'research' made that indicated that elves are little more intelligent than animals. We're basically picking between two spoiled children as to who's better suited for the throne. This isn't 'picking the lesser of two evils.' This is 'picking between two equal but distinct evils.'

 

So yeah, of the options available to us, I will have Briala use Gaspard as her puppet and sleep sounder for it.

[Solas]

Briala through Gaspard but I'm incredibly biased.

[Lulupab]

Celene and Briala reconciled. Simply put, based on what is said on epilogue, it has the best option for stability in Orais. In all other ones its explicitly stated that something bad is going to happen, or very likely to happen.

 

Celene is a capable diplomat and have made Orlais's relations with every single nation ten times better than how they were before her rule. Thanks to her diplomacy skills and Briala, elves will get better lives gradually and it won't be as radical as Briala through Gaspard which risks backfire and violence.

 

Orlais has no enemies around itself, Ferelden and Nevarra has always defended themselves from Orlais because some ambitious fool wanted to expand Orlais, Gaspard is one these fools. If the ruler of Orlais advocates peace, there is no threat to Orlais from its neighbors. 

[YouKnowMyName]

Celene and Briala.

 

It simply seems like the best option to me.

[Sabriel.]

In my first speed run I got Celene alone since I didn't really understand how to find halla statues/that reuniting her with Briala or installing a ruler behind Gaspard was even an option. Barely even understood why Briala was there at all tbh

 

"Elves don't belong in politics," says Gaspard to my elf Inquisitor, whom he invited to the ball specifically to help him with politics. Well screw you too, sir. Considered reuniting the lovers, then read The Masked Empire before doing my "real" playthrough and...yeah, I let the shem queen die and made Gaspard Briala's puppet emperor.  Figured I'd get an actual competent military leader who gets rid of the idiotic Game, plus more rights for elves, and like Leliana said, Briala'd be pretty much eternally in the Inquisition's debt. Later she showed up to help at Arbor Wilds (looks gorgeous without her mask by the way, no wonder Celene fell for her), and the epilogue said that while things do improve for elves in Orlais, lots of nobles want to rebel.....except my elven Inquisitor is there looming, so they're too scared to actually do it.

 

Soooo satisfying.

[Master Warder Z_]

Gaspard ruling unopposed.