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[Lulupab]

People are saying Varric's damage gets weak in late game if he uses bianca which is simply not true. You just have to know the build.

 

Bianca has immensely powerful critical chance and critical damage stats if you choose them. Right now I have Varric at 85% critical chance and 125% critical damage bonus. (You can get even more, its simply my current stats with him)

 

Bianca's maximum damage with T3 materials is 125 plus runes. Given that how often you crit and how much more damage your crits do I'd say Varric's damage is on same level with Sera if not more. Sometimes the constant crits simply destroy the enemy.

 

Not to mention he uses two these abilities absolutely perfectly.

 

He nearly has infinite stamita and permanently reduces the armor of enemy he is attacking.

 

[Gaz83]

I've recently started to take Varric out into the field with me, as I've never really used him before... or at least beyond the first few hours. I've not found Bianca lacking at all. Just when you start to think it's losing some potency, you find a new part or schematic. As such, it keeps pace really well.

 

I prefer to make my own add-ons rather than using found ones, though. With T3 or dragon parts, that crossbow becomes very powerful indeed.

[UEG Donkey]

Why can't Sera take those passives?  Varric's team passives are really good but can't Sera get the same individual passives?

[zeypher]

.. The passives he linked are from sabotage tree. Every rogue can take them. Hell every rogue should take them.

[Gigamantis]

I think the point is that Varric can get unusually high crit chance through Bianca so those passives are up the whole fight and Varric has unlimited Stamina. 

 

I still think Varrics limited base damage and specialization leave him well behind Sera in damage potential, but it's not like Varric doesn't have his good points. 

[zeypher]

ANy rogue can easily achieve 50% crit which is more than enough for DW rogues. Sera can only compete with varric via thousand cuts. If focus abilities are not considered and varric also has a decent one, varric will out dps sera.

[Molohk]

It's not just the abilities posted by OP, it's how they interact with artificer abilities. Namely:

 

Opportunity Kncocks: "When an ally critically hits, you take advantage of their success faster with reduced cooldown times."

 

That's how an artificer can potentially spam Leaping Shot. Potentially, Sera will have better burst damage than Varric (even without Thousand Cuts), but Varric's has greater sustained dps since he doesn't rely on longer codlins (i.e. flasks). So it really is a matter of burst vs sustained. Burst is nice on dragon/boss fights when there's a single target and a lot of movement, but for everyday questing and multiple targets I prefer sustained dps.

 

That's not even taking into account the flat 10% damage increase and 5% crit chance that Varric provides to the WHOLE PARTY. Which in my opinion more than makes up for any minor lack of weapon base damage.

 

 

Edit: just to clarify, if I wanted a burst damage dealer in my party, I'd rather take Cole with daggers or equipped with a bow. Simply because I don't like relying on Thousand Cuts for burst, and generally I like assassination much better than tempest.

[RavenousIron]

I've been trying to tell people this the whole game. The only way I got people to actually start playing Varric was because of the video I made of him Killing Dragons in like 14 seconds. Varric is a beast. Keep his weapon up too date and he never falls off.

[zeypher]

Pretty much also he is by far the best rogue for the AI to handle.

[sinosleep]

The problem is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many gamers don't understand that there's a difference between suboptimal and unviable. Even if Varric isn't up to snuff, if you can't beat the game because of a damage drop off on ONE character on a 4 man squad that's a YOU problem. If you think it's remotely important if an encounter takes you 10 minutes or 8 that's a YOU problem, This game isn't that hard. You do NOT need to be set up in a remotely optimal manner in order to beat it comfortably. Stop dwelling on stuff that doesn't matter.

[teks]

The problem is there are way too many gamers who haven't figured out the crafting system. It is pretty freaking clunky afterall, and without it he sucks.

[zeypher]

Oh yes varric needs good crafted bianca upgrades and he really starts to shine.

[WillieStyle]

A few things:
Varric only gets one Masterwork slot.
Varric can't use the Longbow of the Gryphon.
Varric has the worst focus ability of all rogues. It's good, but it's still the worst.
The AI is terrible at using traps.

So from a purely gameplay standpoint, Sera/Cole > Varric.

Note that I'm not saying Varric is bad. Far from it. The other two are just better.

[Lulupab]

A few things:
Varric only gets one Masterwork slot.
Varric can't use the Longbow of the Gryphon.
Varric has the worst focus ability of all rogues. It's good, but it's still the worst.
The AI is terrible at using traps.

So from a purely gameplay standpoint, Sera/Cole > Varric.

Note that I'm not saying Varric is bad. Far from it. The other two are just better.

 

True. but there are some other points

 

Actually the AI surprises with traps, Varric only uses them when enemies are close. If they are attacking him, it works, if they are simply close to him he misses. I think its based on distance of enemy, if they are close he uses traps.

 

You are never going to change Bianca, therefore you can use the 1st strongest rune you find on it and never change it ever. With others you'll keep wasting runes.

 

Varric's damage is always at hand, it never increases and never decreases. Always reliable. Where as Sera's elixirs are totally unreliable and the AI absolutely sucks with them. Its all about timing when it comes to Tempest and AI has none. 

 

Melee rogues deal far more damage than ranged ones but are always at risk. So unless you mean an archer Cole, Cole shouldn't be compared to Varric.

 

If you give Varric the proper skills and completely leave him alone, as in never control him, he deals highest damage from a safe distance. Its invaluable, gives you room to focus on others on higher difficulties.

[Exalus]

Varric is certainly more fun to manually play than sera or cole because with a crit setup you can spam leaping shot and elemental mines like theres no tomorrow. 

Its extremely satisfying flooding the screen with multi colored damage numbers. he effectively has no cooldowns on his skills as long as there are 2-3 clumped up enemies. 

 

Depending on what you fight, varric can certainly put up a fight compared to sera or cole. 

[sunnydxmen]

A few things:
Varric only gets one Masterwork slot.
Varric can't use the Longbow of the Gryphon.
Varric has the worst focus ability of all rogues. It's good, but it's still the worst.
The AI is terrible at using traps.

So from a purely gameplay standpoint, Sera/Cole > Varric.

Note that I'm not saying Varric is bad. Far from it. The other two are just better.

 

i find cole focus ability more useless varrics doubles his damage  assassin focus ability is the worse in the game.

[Duelist]

A few things:
Varric only gets one Masterwork slot.
Varric can't use the Longbow of the Gryphon.
Varric has the worst focus ability of all rogues. It's good, but it's still the worst.
The AI is terrible at using traps.

So from a purely gameplay standpoint, Sera/Cole > Varric.

Note that I'm not saying Varric is bad. Far from it. The other two are just better.

The masterwork slots I'll give them but the rest, no. Just no.

First of all, Longbow of the Griffon is good against dragons and anything else all three arrows can hit at once.
Otherwise, crafted bows are superior.

Secondly, while not Thousand Cuts, Hail of Arrows will still put down dragons in under 30 seconds and is far superior to Cloak of Shadows.

AI is terrible full stop but the poor placement of traps can be easily prevented via the tactics menu.
But making sure AI doesn't waste Sera's flasks or have Cole waste Full Draw on a mook? Good luck.

From a gameplay standpoint, it depends.
Sera shines in boss fights whereas Cole is good for taking down annoying enemies like archers.
Varric is a lot more versatile but his real strength is that he is the only rogue companion with some capacity for crowd control.

[Ryzaki]

i find cole focus ability more useless varrics doubles his damage  assassin focus ability is the worse in the game.

 

While I adore assassin to pieces that is so true

 

Why does assassin's focus suck so hard. You're better off with MOTR.

[teks]

Willie and duelist. Good points and counterpoints.

I pick varric because he gives the +5% crit chance, and the +duration +damage passives on top of having his own cooldowns reduced every time my party crits. This entices me to always focus every party member on crit chance (poor bears). This crit focus kills sera's competitiveness in the fight for the role of archer, because when everyone has a 50% crit chance, he might as well have a permanent fire flask on.

[SandorClegamer]

While I adore assassin to pieces that is so true

 

Why does assassin's focus suck so hard. You're better off with MOTR.

This is because the assassin already has a pseudo focus ability: Mark of Death.

[Hasikomen]

How do you get that critical chance and critical bonus damage? Can you tell me which schematics are you using for him?

[Exalus]

Superior Skirmisher Hat - 17.5 cunning or dex or mask of the grand duchess - effectively 15% crit chance
superior Prowler armor  - 17.5 cunning or dex

Prowler Armor Arms - 14 cunning or dex

Superb amulet or cunning  - 10 cunning

Bianca maxed out with great bear hide for crit chance

 

theoretically the most crit/dex possible

[UEG Donkey]

While I adore assassin to pieces that is so true

 

Why does assassin's focus suck so hard. You're better off with MOTR.

Assasin's Focus ability is maybe not as good becasue of the other abilities in the tree; namely MOA, Hidden Blades, and I was never here. 

[Ryzaki]

Assasin's Focus ability is maybe not as good becasue of the other abilities in the tree; namely MOA, Hidden Blades, and I was never here. 

 

True enough.

 

This is because the assassin already has a pseudo focus ability: Mark of Death.

 

Yeah.

[sinosleep]

People are saying Varric's damage gets weak in late game if he uses bianca which is simply not true. You just have to know the build.

 

Bianca has immensely powerful critical chance and critical damage stats if you choose them. Right now I have Varric at 85% critical chance and 125% critical damage bonus. (You can get even more, its simply my current stats with him)

 

Bianca's maximum damage with T3 materials is 125 plus runes. Given that how often you crit and how much more damage your crits do I'd say Varric's damage is on same level with Sera if not more. Sometimes the constant crits simply destroy the enemy.

 

Not to mention he uses two these abilities absolutely perfectly.

 

He nearly has infinite stamita and permanently reduces the armor of enemy he is attacking.

 

 

Details on your Bianca slots?