123 réponses à ce sujet

[Emerald Rift]

I spared them the first time, I was also romancing Solas. I thought the mages were very naive and didn't really deserve to die. I might change my mind next time though as the ringleader pissed me off.

[FiveThreeTen]

I spare them, only because I don't want Solas applying his "Spirits are people" logic in such a brutal way when my character find it slighty dubious (at this point, I didn't know he was an Elven god but I suspected he was some sort of ancient elf, either way maybe he is slightly out of tune on applying justice in the mundane world, however good are his hinsights throughout the game).

[Ryriena]

On my first playthrough I spared them although they should be put to death after they are the to stupid to live troupe. They knew what would happen but did the summoning and binding anyway she deserved respect not some asswhipe mage that said sorry it's just a spirit. Solas knows much more about spirits than this dubious mage. I would have killed him myself if that had happened to Cole.

[Abyss108]

This was a hard choice, until I remembered they were from Kirkwall. Then I let Solas butcher them.

 

Probably not the most moral choice...

[Milan92]

They were from Kirkwall and acted like they knew everything.

 

Mages like that are a danger to everyone.

 

I let Solas have his way with them.

[Korva]

 I would have killed him myself if that had happened to Cole.

 

That ... is admittedly a very good point. If anyone had hurt Cole, even knowing that he would never want me to take bloody vengeance for him would not have stopped me from tearing them limb from limb. Except maybe if they showed immediate, profound, credible realization and remorse, which these people don't.

 

It is surprising that Solas reins himself in so easily if you don't let him go berserk on them.

[Ryriena]

Also Sloas actted like a normal guy for once in this moment instead of always shutting his emotions away I liked that aspect of this quest too he needed to lash out and I gave him that option.

[Ryriena]

That ... is admittedly a very good point. If anyone had hurt Cole, even knowing that he would never want me to take bloody vengeance for him would not have stopped me from tearing them limb from limb. Except maybe if they showed immediate, profound, credible realization and remorse, which these people don't.

It is surprising that Solas reins himself in so easily if you don't let him go berserk on them.

He's a Vulcan in elf fourm they do that sometimes and I also liked the fact that it showed he does not have to bottle up everything all the time.

[Addai]

Can you still romance him him if you don't let him kill them? Because I'm trying my hardest to simulate a rivalmance with him right now, and while my brutish Quizzie would be perfectly fine with him killing them, I think it would be fun if she stopped him, because after how much he's lectured her for being a reactive brute, it would be fun to her to do that back to him now that he likes her.

It's a Disapprove. Note that he doesn't Greatly Disapprove, like he does if you ally with the Grey Wardens, for instance. My character is pretty much a female Solas on most topics, so getting a few disapproval hits didn't change anything. He'll still thank you for helping him once he returns to Skyhold, and doesn't mention the mages again.
 

Is it weird that I'm completely fine with Sera killing that noble, but won't let Solas kill a maleficar who twisted his friend into a monster?
 
Now that I think about it's probably because I know that letting Sera murdering that upper class twit won't really change her for the worse. She'll just get over it move on to something else. Plus they guy's death scene was funny. Solas on the otherhand would definitely be impacted on an emotional level with the loss of such a close friend and vengefully committing murder for its death would likely set him on a very dark road.

They aren't maleficar. Blood magic would require more cunning and control than those idiots obviously can muster. I don't think he'd ever give their deaths a second thought, but maybe he should. That's my reasoning. I agree that they're too stupid to live and are probably going to die a half mile down the road anyway.
 

Yes, but the Inquisitor doesn't know that. First run through I thought he would honestly murder the Templar and was surprised he didn't. The Inquisitor wouldn't know Cole changes his mind at the last second.

You see the templar run away, alive and well.
 

Except they didn't summon it for healing purposes, they were trying to bind it, which is close to slavery in human terms. Here's what the wiki says about Spirit Healers:

I understand that, but to them it's just a step away from things they've read about, and they're in fear for their lives. They think of spirits as impersonal beings and the summoning and binding no different than training an animal. Edit: It's also no different than what Dorian does in his necromancer spec.

The really heartbreaking thing about this quest is that it's possible Wisdom initially let them approach because she was used to talking to Solas. She might have even been in that area looking for him, since the quest doesn't open up until you enter the Exalted Plains. As with much of Solas' anger, when he gets really desperately angry, I think it's partly directed at himself. That's what I see here, too, though admittedly that is all subtext.
 

Also, what annoys the hell out of me is that they never actually apologize or say sorry. They give reasons WHY they did it but rather than apologizing that it was a mistake they say 'It was just a spirit' as if that excuses everything and that it wasn't a big deal anyway since 'only' a spirit got hurt and not a person.

They try to rationalize what they did, yes. That's still not grounds for execution, IMO.

[Chari]

Let them live

Tis was an idiotic thing to do but he did so to defend himself rather than to hurt anybody

[LobselVith8]

I'm curious, did anyone spare him and his cronies? Even if it was just an accident him acting all-knowing and talking down to Solas pissed me off and I didn't even hesitate to let Solas kill him. 

 

My Lavellan let Solas kill them; they tortured his friend, and lead to her death.

[Ryriena]

^ Yes it is, since as mage its is a dangous route to take and for showing no remorse for summoning a spirit and basicly turning it into a demon that can possess you....."

[Char]

In all my playthroughs so far they are dead. My mage protagonists have very little sympathy for someone capable of shooting fireballs from their fingertips that instead decides to enslave a creature due to fear of bandits :/

[Addai]

^ Yes it is, since as mage its is a dangous route to take and for showing no remorse for summoning a spirit and basicly turning it into a demon that can possess you....."

Well I don't believe in killing mages for things they might do. That's templar mentality.

[Monica21]

Dead, and really, one of the easiest in-game decisions. Mostly because they clearly can't be trusted with summonings and the next time they try it, they could end up hurting more than themselves.

[Laurelinde]

I spared them.  My Inquisitor generally spared most people except in rare circumstances where she felt it was too dangerous (e.g. Erimond...nearly sent him to the wardens but was afraid he'd escape en route.  This may or may not have been influenced by an episode of Agents of Shield I had just seen.)  

 

The mages were stupid, no question, but my Quizzy isn't really a life for a life kinda gal.  And human lives have at least as much value as spirit lives, for her.

[Ryriena]

Well I don't believe in killing mages for things they might do. That's templar mentality.

These Mages did summon a spirit and corrupted it and that's rich since I laughed when Anders blew the chantry and cheered......" Also had heated arrugments with pro templars on this site about Disbaning said order

[Ozzy]

Joining the "they're dumb but not deserving of death" bandwagon. Wish I could have brought them into the Inquisition to give them a few lessons or something though since I had the Mages on board. 

[Addai]

These Mages did summon a spirit and corrupted that's rich since I laughed when Anders blew the chantry and cheered......

Do you execute Dorian for using the necromancer spec?

[Ryriena]

Do you execute Dorian for using the necromancer spec?

*Face plams* He doesn't corrupt said spirit into a demon now does he? And refuses to take responsibility for his actions that's totally similar wrong.

[TanithAeyrs]

So far I have spared them both times for different reasons. 

 

Practical Lavellan - never kills anyone she might be able to use later (I know that option isn't presented but that is her reasoning).  And she was romancing Solas and worried that revenge might add to his burden of sorrow (he and Cole were her only real soft spots).

 

Compassionate Lavellan: enough said - she is just really nice

 

In future playthroughs:

 

Cynical dwarf rogue - will let him kill them

Devout human Templar: will let him kill them because they summoned a demon (if he even accepts Solas' quest).

BItter Qunari warrior: will probably let him kill them

Change the world human mage: I'm not sure what he will do.  He will certainly view them as idiots and likely will be close friends with Solas.

Naïve Qunari mage: not sure on her either - it will depend on how her character is developing when I get to that point.

[Colonelkillabee]

I let those dumb bitches burn, and I pissed on the ashes. They were too stupid to let live:

 

[Addai]

*Face plams* He doesn't corrupt said spirit into a demon now does he? And refuses to take responsibility for his actions that's totally similar wrong.

Oh, you know that, do you? I don't think so. You just don't know those spirits' names or have a mage who considers them friends objecting.

And Dorian doesn't try to justify his necromancy because he thinks enslaving spirits is just peachy.



Though he does learn from Cole- he has an opportunity the Kirkwall mages have never had.

[Colonelkillabee]

These Mages did summon a spirit and corrupted it and that's rich since I laughed when Anders blew the chantry and cheered......" Also had heated arrugments with pro templars on this site about Disbaning said order

Haha, so did I. That was the best part in DA 2 if you ask me.

[Colonelkillabee]

Dead, and really, one of the easiest in-game decisions. Mostly because they clearly can't be trusted with summonings and the next time they try it, they could end up hurting more than themselves.

Yep, if you didn't come along, that could've ended badly for someone. Themselves, dalish, other passers by. I'm already balls deep in demon **** without these chuckleheads helping. They die. I didn't even have to think about it.