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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I was rather conflicted, but their leader being an expert from Kirkwall tipped the favor towards killing them.

[zestalyn]

Stopped Solas. Especially since just previously, I had done Cole's quest, where Solas pleaded that he doesn't commit revenge against the Templar. I stopped him from being a murderous hypocrite. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Stopped Solas. Especially since just previously, I had done Cole's quest, where Solas pleaded that he doesn't commit revenge against the Templar. I stopped him from being a murderous hypocrite. 

I think Solas merely suggested he not do it because he was worried about what it would do to him as a spirit. Not because it was morally wrong.

[StrangeStrategy]

I let Solas kill them. That they were rebel mages at all would have been reason enough to capture them, but spirit summoning? Yeah, they don't know what they're dealing with, but of course they go ahead and do it anyway. Those mages were dangerous and killing them prevents their ineptitude from harming anyone else, or any spirits. Plus that guy was ugly as crap too.

[frylock23]

I was friends with him the first time around, so I stopped him. Two wrongs don't make a right, and killing the ones who destroyed your friend won't bring that friend back.

 

It's true that they might have deserved death as part of justice, but Solas wasn't thinking justice there. He was thinking revenge.

[Ryriena]

Haha, so did I. That was the best part in DA 2 if you ask me.

Agreed, since said order caused the power to shift to the Templars in charge of the Mages and also showed us that Mages could be killed for no more than being a mage. I know I shouldn't have cheered and laughed but I was not a huge Chantry and Andratism supporter to begin with due to my connecting it to the relgion in Dune.

[Colonelkillabee]

Agreed, since said order caused the power to shift to the Templars in charge of the Mages and also showed us that Mages could be killed for no more than being a mage. I know I shouldn't have cheered and laughed but I was not a huge Chantry and Andratism supporter to begin with due to my connecting it to the relgion in Dune.

I didn't have any outside animosity personally. I couldn't and still can't stand the goddamn chantry, so my Hawke let him live. He didn't agree with what he did though, but he understood it. He was a mage. Also wanted him to live with what happened after.

 

My Trevelyan's more neutral, though leaning against mages after Redcliffe.

 

But as for this topic, I would have let Solas kill these idiots no matter who I leaned towards. Kirkwall mages, their fault or not, give the rest of the mages a bad name. If I were a mage, I'd probably want to kill them myself.

[Ryriena]

I didn't have any outside animosity personally. I couldn't and still can't stand the goddamn chantry, so my Hawke let him live. He didn't agree with what he did though, but he understood it. He was a mage. Also wanted him to live with what happened after.

My Trevelyan's more neutral, though leaning against mages after Redcliffe.

But as for this topic, I would have let Solas kill these idiots no matter who I leaned towards. Kirkwall mages, their fault or not, give the rest of the mages a bad name. If I were a mage, I'd probably want to kill them myself.

I wanted to slap Fiona I just wished they hadn't pulled the time magic bull **** for the reason for a the ex slave to sale her people into slave labor for someone that looks quite dubious in character. Yeah since even the quzziy could tell he was oozing with with trust....

But yeah I let him kill the asswhipes, if said person had done that too Cole my Trayvlen would get my favorite psycho spy master to pay him a visit and let me join in the dismemberment.

[zestalyn]

I think Solas merely suggested he not do it because he was worried about what it would do to him as a spirit. Not because it was morally wrong.

What makes him think that a mortal giving into rage like is any more excusable than a spirit doing the same? Was he afraid that it would turn Cole closer to a demon? Is a demon being born out of committing justice against those who did Cole wrong that much worse than an elf murdering people out of revenge? I wasn't convinced that the two situations were not more or less the same scenario. 

[Colonelkillabee]

What makes him think that a mortal giving into rage like is any more excusable than a spirit doing the same? Was he afraid that it would turn Cole closer to a demon? Is a demon being born out of committing justice against those who did Cole wrong that much worse than an elf murdering people out of revenge? I wasn't convinced that the two situations were not more or less the same scenario. 

"Spirits don't work out emotions, they embody them!"

 

That made things rather crystal clear to me. He was worried about what Cole would become. More like other "demons", supposedly.

[Colonelkillabee]

"Spirits don't work out emotions, they embody them!"

 

That made things rather crystal clear to me. He was worried about what Cole would become. More like other "demons", supposedly.

He was wrong of course, but the intentions behind his reservations are what matters in this situation.

[zestalyn]

"Spirits don't work out emotions, they embody them!"

 

That made things rather crystal clear to me. He was worried about what Cole would become. More like other "demons", supposedly.

 

So Solas has the privilege of indulging in murderous rage, but just because Cole is a spirit, he cannot?

 

What defines people is what they do. A mortal giving into murderous rage for the selfish need for vengeance will continue being a person capable of such mindless bloodshed. I don't believe nurturing that kind of person is that much less dangerous than introducing someone like Cole to revenge. 

[SamanthaJ]

Is it callous to say I sang Bye Bye Bye and watched them fry fry fry? I didn't actually sing, but I did do the other thing. I might not make the same decision in the future, though, just in case this turns out to be a hardening/softening sort of scenario.

[Colonelkillabee]

So Solas has the privilege of indulging in murderous rage, but just because Cole is a spirit, he cannot?

 

What defines people is what they do. A mortal giving into murderous rage for the selfish need for vengeance will continue being a person capable of such mindless bloodshed. I don't believe nurturing that kind of person is that much less dangerous than introducing someone like Cole to revenge. 

What you believe isn't important. Downright irrelevant, really. What is important is the motive of the accused. And that motive clearly had nothing to do with morality, so you calling him a hypocrite falls flat. Solas kills in revenge, and only denies Cole this because it could cause irreparable damage to his very being.

 

As for your question, ignoring that the two situations aren't at all the same, spirits and mortals ARE different. Would you be so quick to let Cole kill in revenge if it could possibly shatter and destroy everything that he once was? And for the record, I always let Varric take the reigns.

[Korva]

I think Solas merely suggested he not do it because he was worried about what it would do to him as a spirit. Not because it was morally wrong.

 

Agreed. That poor spirit of wisdom is already gone, so nothing Solas does to these mages could help or harm it anymore. The situation with Cole and his "killer" is completely different because Cole is acutely affected and endangered by what is happening. He is compassion. His greatest fear may be despair, but hatred and vengeance are just as opposed to his purpose -- succumbing to any of these emotions would break him into a demon. It's simply not the same with mortals. Negative emotions can twist us, but they don't pervert us on that fundemental level. I think Solas just shoved his -- no doubt less than tender -- opinion of that ex-templar out of his mind to focus entirely on saving a friend he deeply cares for. His calm, quiet and empathetic behavior is purely for Cole's sake, not for himself or for that man.

[Sifr]

I stopped him... but only because I figured those guys are so stupid, they'll probably kill themselves the next time they try to tie their shoelaces.

 

They honestly made Jowan look like Isaac Newton in comparison.

[5ubzer0]

As I understood it the mages were truly unaware that their actions led to the torture and death of a sentient being. Thus, there's no way my inquisitor would stand by and allow Solas to slaughter a group of unarmed people.

 

So what do you pro-vengeance guys do with Blackwell then after he tells you that he watched

Spoiler

the grueseome death of a puppy without intervening even though he knew it was wrong? And what about the soldiers under his command who were executed solely for following his orders?

 

For me, it's all about intent. My characters have no problem killing people who intentionally inflicted harm on another (peaceful) living being. Generally speaking though, they let the stupid ones, those who didn't know what they were doing, live. That's why Conner, Jowan, Feynriel and random blood mages or misguided templars stay alive in my playthroughs.

[Colonelkillabee]

As I understood it the mages were truly unaware that their actions led to the torture and death of a sentient being. Thus, there's no way my inquisitor would stand by and allow Solas to slaughter a group of unarmed people.

 

So what do you pro-vengeance guys do with Blackwell then after he tells you that he watched

Spoiler

the grueseome death of a puppy without intervening even though he knew it was wrong? And what about the soldiers under his command who were executed solely for following his orders?

You're grossly missing the point. Ignoring that the majority of the pansies on this forum would have done the same thing from fear, Blackwall doesn't summon demons and meddle with things he doesn't understand.

[Gambit458]

So Solas has the privilege of indulging in murderous rage, but just because Cole is a spirit, he cannot?

 

What defines people is what they do. A mortal giving into murderous rage for the selfish need for vengeance will continue being a person capable of such mindless bloodshed. I don't believe nurturing that kind of person is that much less dangerous than introducing someone like Cole to revenge. 

Well, Solas also isn't who he appears to be. I don't want to say more than that for those who haven't reached that part in the game but it's not surprising as to why Solas wanted to do what he did. As I already mentioned, Solas advises not to let Cole do that. Solas who is pretty much the expert on fade spirits, mostly due to who he really is, is obviously knowing what he's talking about. The mages were idiots whereas the templar felt bad about what he did. It's like in Mass Effect 2 when you have the option to let Garrus snipe Sadonis or w.e his name was or stop him.  If you let him live, Sadonis pretty much tells you that he's dead already. He was tortured by what he did and tried apologizing to Garrus.  The alternative was just letting Garrus flat out kill him without even listening to what he had to say. Was that right? No. Besides, look what happened to Justice after he had his nature changed by Anders. 

 

@Subzer0. I really can't believe that the mages were truly unaware of what they were doing. They have to resist a demon to pass their Harrowing which from the start shows them how dangerous spirits can be. Not only that but I'm pretty sure they're taught about spirits, I know they're taught about the dangers of blood magic, and other things. This group though did what they did based off what they read in a book. For being mages, they should have known better.  Connor's just a boy so I don't know why some people would kill him. Children don't know any better and Connor had no proper training to resist a demon. What happened to Connor is Isolode's fault because like Tegyn said, most of that wouldn't have happened had she not kept it a secret. Jowan knew what he was doing but tried to make up for his mistakes

[zestalyn]

What you believe isn't important. Downright irrelevant, really. What is important is the motive of the accused. And that motive clearly had nothing to do with morality, so you calling him a hypocrite falls flat. Solas kills in revenge, and only denies Cole this because it could cause irreparable damage to his very being.

 

As for your question, ignoring that the two situations aren't at all the same, spirits and mortals ARE different. Would you be so quick to let Cole kill in revenge if it could possibly shatter and destroy everything that he once was? And for the record, I always let Varric take the reigns.

I'll concede that 'hypocrite' is the wrong word. Perhaps the better word for the situation based on my point of view, is ironic, because let me put it this way: I don't let Solas kill the mages for the same reason Solas discouraged Cole from killing the Templar. Spirits and mortals are different, but the parallels are still there. 

Certain actions can cause near irreparable damage to a mortal's mentality. Look at what happens to Leliana when you let her kill the traitor at Haven. I would not want Cole to kill in revenge because it could dismantle everything about him. Not just because he was a spirit of compassion, but because I saw him as a kind friend, and the gentle and patient person he is on the more human side of his identity. I would not want Solas to kill in revenge for the same reason. 

[Dabrikishaw]

As I understood it the mages were truly unaware that their actions led to the torture and death of a sentient being. Thus, there's no way my inquisitor would stand by and allow Solas to slaughter a group of unarmed people.

 

So what do you pro-vengeance guys do with Blackwell then after he tells you that he watched

Spoiler

the grueseome death of a puppy without intervening even though he knew it was wrong? And what about the soldiers under his command who were executed solely for following his orders?

 

For me, it's all about intent. My characters have no problem killing people who intentionally inflicted harm on another (peaceful) living being. Generally speaking though, they let the stupid ones, those who didn't know what they were doing, live. That's why Conner, Jowan, Feynriel and random blood mages or misguided templars stay alive in my playthroughs.

I spare Blackwall because the guy's already atoning when I meet him, and he continues to atone after he's exposed if you let him. Those Kirkwall mages on the other had have no such guarantee.

[Korva]

It is rather remarkable that a quiet mention of his name is enough to make him stop -- I did honest not expect that. At the same time, I'm glad for it because 1) I'd have felt like an arse if my character had yelled at a deeply grieving friend, and 2) it shows that there is a connection between Solas and the Inquisitor. She understands his grief and anger, and he thinks highly enough of her to listen. Quite touching and a good bit of "show, don't tell". (Friendship is enough, my character is a human warrior.)

[Ahalvern]

They were foolish. That doesn't warrant death. Also they had no intention of fighting you. Going forward with it at that point is pretty much slaughter and is wrong.

 

I felt bad for the spirit, but you can't expect people who have not been privy to Solas' opinions to have the same groundbreaking idea about the fade. Who knows, in the next games maybe we can make more people know about it, and those who knowingly corrupt pure spirits will deserve harsh treatment.

[Colonelkillabee]

I'll concede that 'hypocrite' is the wrong word. Perhaps the better word for the situation based on my point of view, is ironic, because let me put it this way: I don't let Solas kill the mages for the same reason Solas discouraged Cole from killing the Templar. Spirits and mortals are different, but the parallels are still there. 

Certain actions can cause near irreparable damage to a mortal's mentality. Look at what happens to Leliana when you let her kill the traitor at Haven. I would not want Cole to kill in revenge because it could dismantle everything about him. Not just because he was a spirit of compassion, but because I saw him as a kind friend, and the gentle and patient person he is on the more human side of his identity. I would not want Solas to kill in revenge for the same reason. 

Meh, I let her kill the traitor. She seems pretty much the same to me. I guess I hardened her though, which I think is good. I don't think either Solas or Leliana are such delicate flowers that they can't handle a little killing after all the killing they've already done up to this point. They know themselves well enough by now. Leliana was already doing this years ago. Whatever, I'm not the ******'s babysitter. She's a grown ass woman. Solas is a grown ass man/elf/god.