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[Lulupab]

Also reminds me. Leliana telling her priests - "Spread the chant in across the four corners of the world, go to the elves and dwarves and tell them they are now free to be in the Chantry, My breathren let us pray for our real end is coming true".

 

Then you see clerics packing bags to go to Orzammar/Kal Sharok¿?. or in front of every Dalish Camps. "Repent your sins for all thus you have commited".

 

Or maybe you are refering to City Elves and Surface Dwarves who already worship the Chantry (partly).

 

She is not going to "spread" anything" She will simply let elves and dwarves join the chantry if they want to. That's really all there is to it. She rededicated chantry to charity in the first place.

[Akkos]

She is not going to "spread" anything" She will simply let elves and dwarves join the chantry if they want to. That's really all there is to it. She rededicated chantry to charity in the first place.

 

Then those slaved elves in Tevinter  run to southern Thedas... "Oh, the new divine has -rededicate chantry to charity-" "We can now leave Tevinter as a slave and go to the chantry in south thedas where they will be more accepting."

 

Then Dorian and those Tevinter mages with slaves are like "Wow wow, what's going on.  Why are our elves running away from us. The dwarves do not provide us lyrium anymore as they have rededicate their fate to the chantry in southern thedas. Let's go to the College of Enchanters led by Fiona who fell so easily to a Venetori slaver"  

 

In the Hushed Whispers again, With no templars, "Unrest in the Dales - City since Briala is now a Marquis or Elves are giving right....   "There is a sickness only mages can cure let's run tot he mages in the College of Enchanters where they bind demons and cure the elves and take them through eluvians to The Maker's City".

 

Then Adamant again without Grey Wardens this time.

[Lulupab]

Then those slaved elves in Tevinter  run to southern Thedas... "Oh, the new divine has -rededicate chantry to charity-" "We can now leave Tevinter as a slave and go to the chantry in south thedas where they will be more accepting."

 

Then Dorian and those Tevinter mages with slaves are like "Wow wow, what's going on.  Why are our elves running away from us. The dwarves do not provide us lyrium anymore as they have rededicate their fate to the chantry in southern thedas. Let's go to the College of Enchanters led by Fiona who fell so easily to a Venetori slaver"  

 

In the Hushed Whispers again, With no templars, "Unrest in the Dales - City since Briala is now a Marquis or Elves are giving right....   "There is a sickness only mages can cure let's run tot he mages in the College of Enchanters where they bind demons and cure the elves and take them through eluvians to The Maker's City".

 

Then Adamant again without Grey Wardens this time.

 

Hyperbole, assumptions and pure speculations. Is that suppose to mean something? 

 

Will all the dwarves come to surface and join chantry? nope.

 

Will it change anything in Tevinter? Not really, the won't let the slaves go anyhow. if any slave can escape they he deserves that freedom anyhow.

 

Getting manipulated by time magic is hardly damning. She is the only person on Thedas beside the snowflake player character who has killed a broodmother and stopped a mastermind darkspawn plan by the Architect which led to her being cured of the taint. When talking about a character make sure you mention their strong points as well.

[Akkos]

Hyperbole, assumptions and pure speculations. Is that suppose to mean something? 

 

Will all the dwarves come to surface and join chantry? nope.

 

Will it change anything in Tevinter? Not really, the won't let the slaves go anyhow. if any slave can escape they he deserves that freedom anyhow.

 

Getting manipulated by time magic is hardly damning. She is the only person on Thedas beside the snowflake player character who has killed a broodmother and stopped a mastermind darkspawn plan by the Architect which led to her being cured of the taint. When talking about a character make sure you mention their strong points as well.

 

Just given you ideas Leliana can not do anything without all that happening to the mages, elves and all of you. You will be very disappointed.

 

Oh Solas is coming to get his people, he will be free to do that with Leliana as Divine.

 

 

That's a no no for me.

[Lulupab]

Just given you ideas Leliana can not do anything without all that happening to the mages, elves and all of you. You will be very disappointed.

 

Oh Solas is coming to get his people, he will be free to do that with Leliana as Divine.

 

 

That's a no no for me.

 

As if Vivienne could stop Soals. Solas is the only companion that can win in verbal argument with Vivienne and he is the stronger mage.

 

You want elves to remain in slums then? Forever desperate and swimming in poverty? 

[Colonelkillabee]

Sure. Why not? Lol, they signed up for it willingly in their defeat after being the aggressors. **** 'em.

[Lulupab]

Sure. Why not? Lol, they signed up for it willingly in their defeat after being the aggressors. **** 'em.

 

Who is "they". We should punish everyone for the crimes of their fathers? Not to mention in this case there is mission in the game that makes it quite obvious both sides are equally to blame in the Dales war. So the elves were not "aggressors". But if it makes oppressing elves easier for you, go on and continue pretending.

[Akkos]

As if Vivienne could stop Soals. Solas is the only companion that can win in verbal argument with Vivienne and he is the stronger mage.

 

You want elves to remain in slums then? Forever desperate and swimming in poverty? 

 

Not at all. The fade is closed, Solas is not useful anymore..   

 

The only knowledge he knew was how to close the breach or the mark in the Inquisitor's hand.  That was the only reason he gave to shut Viv down.

 

Of course not, don't give me the wrong idea of having the elves in slums. But the humans who had work their whole life, they could be farmers, merchants, nobles...  And now the elves are all taking the spots. The competition, the human race are now useless because Elves and Dwarves are the ones improving the economy in the human lands. Quite interesting thoughts... My dear.  I'd love to see how happy ending will it be for the humans.  

[Colonelkillabee]

Who is "they". We should punish everyone for the crimes of their fathers? Not to mention in this case there is mission in the game that makes it quite obvious both sides are equally to blame in the Dales war. So the elves were not "aggressors". But if it makes oppressing elves easier for you, go on and continue pretending.

 

Sure, why not. A lot of the Dalish blame humans for the actions of their fathers.

 

And no, the Dales attacked and pressed close to Val Royeaux then got their asses handed to them when humans decided to get serious, then when the nobles beat feet with their tails between their legs, the ones left behind waved the white flag and took human oppression of their own free will.

 

You keep pretending that it went down any different.

 

I repeat. **** 'em.

[LobselVith8]

Then those slaved elves in Tevinter  run to southern Thedas... "Oh, the new divine has -rededicate chantry to charity-" "We can now leave Tevinter as a slave and go to the chantry in south thedas where they will be more accepting."

 

Which is an issue of an escaped slave leaving to territory where the Imperium doesn't control, which is already an issue before Leliana becomes the new Divine, as we see with Fenris in Kirkwall, or the escaped soldier Krem who fled authorities as part of Iron Bull's mercenary company - the Chargers.

 

Then Dorian and those Tevinter mages with slaves are like "Wow wow, what's going on.  Why are our elves running away from us. The dwarves do not provide us lyrium anymore as they have rededicate their fate to the chantry in southern thedas. Let's go to the College of Enchanters led by Fiona who fell so easily to a Venetori slaver"  

 

Why would everyone in Orzammar convert to the Andrastian faith? I don't see them all giving up their beliefs in the Ancestors.

 

In the Hushed Whispers again, With no templars, "Unrest in the Dales - City since Briala is now a Marquis or Elves are giving right....   "There is a sickness only mages can cure let's run tot he mages in the College of Enchanters where they bind demons and cure the elves and take them through eluvians to The Maker's City".

 

The Eluvians normally lead to the Crossroads, not the Eternal City. I also don't see why anyone would think to take any elf to the Eternal City in the first place; it doesn't really make any sense.

 

Then Adamant again without Grey Wardens this time.

 

Given that there are already societies where mages are not controlled by the templars, and the world hasn't fallen, I highly doubt it.

[Lulupab]

Sure, why not. A lot of the Dalish blame humans for the actions of their fathers.

 

And no, the Dales attacked and pressed close to Val Royeaux then got their asses handed to them when humans decided to get serious, then when the nobles beat feet with their tails between their legs, the ones left behind waved the white flag and took human oppression of their own free will.

 

You keep pretending that it went down any different.

 

I repeat. **** 'em.

 

The war was started by both sides, Elves made the first move. It doesn't matter because it was WAR. 

 

 

Not at all. The fade is closed, Solas is not useful anymore..   

 

The only knowledge he knew was how to close the breach or the mark in the Inquisitor's hand.  That was the only reason he gave to shut Viv down.

 

Of course not, don't give me the wrong idea of having the elves in slums. But the humans who had work their whole life, they could be farmers, merchants, nobles...  And now the elves are all taking the spots. The competition, the human race are now useless because Elves and Dwarves are the ones improving the economy in the human lands. Quite interesting thoughts... My dear.  I'd love to see how happy ending will it be for the humans.  

 

You're just mad because the epilogue says it works and you are trying to find loopholes to make it not true. Good luck then, I'm expecting something better than speculations and hyperbole to argue with you any further.

 

I suggest listening to banter between Solas and Vivienne, he owns her. Other than that he petrified Flemeth by looking at her, my dear Vivienne is out of her league.

[Colonelkillabee]

The war was started by both sides, Elves made the first move.

Thank you for doing my job for me.

[Lulupab]

Thank you for doing my job for me.

 

Lol how does it matter? When the war is declared, it doesn't matter anymore. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Lol how does it matter? When the war is declared, it doesn't matter anymore. 

Because it wasn't just suddenly officially declared before anyone fought, it started AFTER elves drew blood first on their land.

[Lulupab]

Because it wasn't just suddenly officially declared before anyone fought, it started AFTER elves drew blood first on their land.

 

Orlesians already killed the Elves inside the Orlais as well. So that's why elves attacked red crossing which was the place elves were killed at. Are you sure you played the mission on emerald graves?

[Akkos]

 

You're just mad because the epilogue says it works and you are trying to find loopholes to make it not true. Good luck then, I'm expecting something better than speculations and hyperbole to argue with you any further.

 

I suggest listening to banter between Solas and Vivienne, he owns her. Other than that he petrified Flemeth by looking at her, my dear Vivienne is out of her league.

 

Well I recall the writers made the banters that way, but isn't Solas the enemy now? Yes, he owns her now. But Solas gave the orb to Corypheus, is he a hero or a villain.  

 

I'm sure Vivienne will own Solas in the near future with her magnificant agenda no doubt, we should wait.

 

About the Elves, It works.... Yes. Peace at last, Elves have more rights.. But what about Orlais?   You forgot Orlais is a country in his own rights.  Can the elves handle it on their own together with the humans.    I also recall this in the e-Guide I have.

 

- Note from the e-book Dragon age Inquisition.

Spoiler

Celene will bring Peace. Orlais’s prominence as a superpower will diminish. Gaspard will reignite the war between Orlais and Ferelden. Briala will push for more rights for the elves, potentially causing an uprising.

 

 

This did not show in the epilogue, my dear. And that's what's going to happen a fallen and weak Orlais with more war and easy to conquer.

[Colonelkillabee]

Orlesians already killed the Elves inside the Orlais as well. So that's why elves attacked red crossing which was the place elves were killed at. Are you sure you played the mission on emerald graves?

Yea, and why was that? Because the elves came to their land and trespassed, then killed a human. Fully within their rights to kill every last one of them.

 

Seriously, did you?

[LobselVith8]

Sure, why not. A lot of the Dalish blame humans for the actions of their fathers.

 

While we discovered humans and elves were both responsible for the inception of the war. Although I'm sure the Chantry criminalizing the elven religion, running the Dalish off land when they stay for too long, threatening them with violence to convert, and having templars pursue the clans for their mages are likely the reasons that modern Dalish are wary of Andrastian humans, considering that there's supposed to be a settlement of Dalish who get along with humans in Rivain who follow the Natural Order.

 

And no, the Dales attacked and pressed close to Val Royeaux then got their asses handed to them when humans decided to get serious, then when the nobles beat feet with their tails between their legs, the ones left behind waved the white flag and took human oppression of their own free will.

 

The Dales was at war with Orlais, and the elves pressed on into Orlesian territory during this war. In a war that lasted years, and required the combined effort of the Circles and Order of Templars to sway the balance in the favor of the humans.

 

You keep pretending that it went down any different.

 

You mean, referencing what actually happened?

[Colonelkillabee]

Not gonna repeat what I just said^ Before war was declared, elves drew first blood, then attacked, pressed forward, then lost in the counter.

[Colonelkillabee]

It's what this entire clusterfuck of a thread was about in the first place:

 

http://forum.bioware...e-red-crossing/

[Lulupab]

Yea, and why was that? Because the elves came to their land and trespassed, then killed a human. Fully within their rights to kill every last one of them.

 

Seriously, did you?

 

Lob pretty much answered this however they went to see what their elven brother is doing. It was a misunderstanding.

[LobselVith8]

The war was started by both sides, Elves made the first move. It doesn't matter because it was WAR. 

 

Actually, the scroll reads that humans and elves were having issues with one another long before the incident at Red Crossing ever happened, and one of the first things that the scroll referenced was an elf being murdered by humans.

 

It boils down to: a human was accidentally killed by the Emerald Knights who were simply pursuing one of their own (who they were concerned would spill state secrets to the enemy), some humans from Red Crossing murdered an elf who had nothing to do with the death of the human, and the Emerald Knights defended themselves against these humans who attacked them.

 

The incident at Red Crossing was a complete mess, but one that both sides are responsible for.

[Colonelkillabee]

Lob pretty much answered this however they went to see what their elven brother is doing, the tensions grew because Elves were simply spotted at the red crossing. It was within their rights to check on him.

Uh, no, it is not within your rights to trespass on foreign land. They followed him because he was with a human. Who he's banging is none of their business.

 

Then they ended up killing a human, and that's why tensions escalated.

[Lulupab]

Uh, no, it is not within your rights to trespass on foreign land. They followed him because he was with a human. Who he's banging is none of their business.

 

Then they ended up killing a human, and that's why tensions escalated.

 

A human who ran up to them with something in her hand, given the tensions were already there its only logical one defends himself. Whoever that woman was, she was foolish.

[LobselVith8]

Yea, and why was that? Because the elves came to their land and trespassed, then killed a human. Fully within their rights to kill every last one of them.

 

Seriously, did you?

 

So it's okay to declare war on an entire nation of people because one single human was accidentally killed while some Emerald Knights were trying to capture or kill a defector from their ranks? I take it that the elf who was murdered by humans prior to the Emerald Knights pursuing one of their own in Red Crossing doesn't count.