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[NoForgiveness]

Really? another one?

[zestalyn]

OP could be right suggesting that Josie's family might prefer she end up with a man, and tha yes, her marriage to one might be more convenient for their social standing. 

 

But what does that have to do with Josie's sexuality? Nooooooooothing. 

[CuriousArtemis]

I could actually respect someone saying "I found Josie boring and wanted Sera instead; I wish Sera had been bi and Josie gay." But this... no... no. 

[Patchwork]

I'm not in anyway agreeing with the OP, I haven't even watched Josie's romance on youtube, but I'm a little surprised heirs aren't mentioned. The social difference is touched on with Cullen/Trevelyan which I thought was a nice touch of realism. As the heir to her house and how seriously she takes her responsibilities it's seems like a natural thing to bring up even if it's just to handwave it in some way.   

[Feranel]

I'm not in anyway agreeing with the OP, I haven't even watched Josie's romance on youtube, but I'm a little surprised heirs aren't mentioned. The social difference is touched on with Cullen/Trevelyan which I thought was a nice touch of realism. As the heir to her house and how seriously she takes her responsibilities it's seems like a natural thing to bring up even if it's just to handwave it in some way.

Heir to the households business responsibilities is not the same thing as the responsibility to bear an heir.

[Monica21]

I could actually respect someone saying "I found Josie boring and wanted Sera instead; I wish Sera had been bi and Josie gay." But this... no... no. 

 

*sighs* FINE

 

I found Josie boring and wished Cass was a bi love interest. (Sorry, just really not into Sera.)

[Jazharah]

Leliana's writer actually confirmed she never 'got to know' Josephine in that way, so that line doesn't mean what you thought it meant. Just sayin'.

Don't disagree with the point though.

I was not aware of that. Hm. Still, it's so strongly insinuated in the game, amplified by Josie's dodginess on the details, that it's hard to assume otherwise.

Thank you for pointing it out however

[Rannik]

Not to self: change sexuality when inconvenient.

 

Well, there's blood magic for that.

[Pee Jae]

*sigh* I've been arguing that every character should be bisexual since... at least Mass Effect 2. That way everyone can romance whomever they want. That is, they're bisexual until the player character has a romance with them. Then, they'd be exclusively whatever you decide them to be.

 

It'd be more work, though. Can't have that.

[GenericEnemy]

I was not aware of that. Hm. Still, it's so strongly insinuated in the game, amplified by Josie's dodginess on the details, that it's hard to assume otherwise.
Thank you for pointing it out however

You think the forums would be this quiet about it if that was what it meant? For those who romanced her in DAO that'd be like Jacob but with a character people actually like. There would be fires.

They're totally big sister/little sister anyway, hard to see them any other way.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I was not aware of that. Hm. Still, it's so strongly insinuated in the game, amplified by Josie's dodginess on the details, that it's hard to assume otherwise.

Thank you for pointing it out however

Both Leliana and Josephine actually make it very clear they didn't have that kind of relationship in the game. They are just good friends with Leliana being like an older sister to Josephine. In fact, it's insinuated Josephine hasn't been with anyone. 

[Nefla]

Josephine can date whoever she wants. She has brothers and sisters to carry on the family line so unlike with Dorian I don't see why her family would care. She can manage the estates and then groom a niece or nephew as successor.

[convergecultist3]

I really mucked this up. My words were very poorly chosen, Josephine and Sera are both interesting characters, by saying they should have their sexuality changed is offensive. Even though they are fictional characters, those feelings can bleed into real life. The people I respect most are the ones who are true to themselves and my post sounded anything but that. I'm sorry If I offended anyone.

So original post, it would be interesting in a dragon age playing as a non human male character, to romance a non human female character.

Happy new year everyone.

[In Exile]

Eh...you have responsibility as a noble.

It comes before sexuality.

It's expected.

That's actually from a codex in game.

That doesn't make her straight. That might force her into a straight relationship.

[AWTEW]

Josie... mkay. I can understand your reasoning, but just because she'd feel obliged to produce an heir doesn't mean she can't like girls. (It isn't a party until someone's small clothes are pinned to the chantry board, according to Leliana's account of getting to know Josie.)
As for Sera... she just likes women. The taller the better. Qunari women... woof. Respect her sexuality. Respect the sexual preference of this fictional character!
Do you tell a lesbian lady in real life she should like men as well? Because reasons? Because it doesn't fit with your ideal picture and possible chances of getting laid? I don't figure you would. So why critique the writer behind Sera?
You can wish, of course. Which could be perceived as a compliment. If you mean it flatteringly, then flatter.

^this

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I do agree that non-human male Inquisitors should have non-human female romance options. The balance for that is very skewed. 

 

Bisexual Female: Elf, Human, Qunari

Straight Female: Elf(if Elf), Human, Qunari

Gay Female: Elf, Human

Bisexual Male: Human, Qunari

Gay Male: Human, Qunari

Straight Male: Human

[CrimsonN7]

Since you want to wish deh gay away OP can I wish deh gay on someone else then? Dibs on Cassie, it shouldn't be that much of a betrayal to her character as you put it.

[nightscrawl]

As heir to her noble house, she works tirelessly to maintain the standing of her family. Due to loyality, responsibility, and wisdom of knowing that her siblings aren't up to the task. So why would she jeopardize that with a female partner, which can't produce an heir, (the bummer of being "noble.") Her family does arrage a marriage with another male noble, and I get the feeling that if she wasn't in love with the inquisitor that she would go through with it, (whether she held it with disdain or not, i don't know.

I'll start with the caveat that I have not done the Josephine romance.

That said, this suggestion is almost as bad as suggesting Dorian be made straight (or bi so it's not too tortuous) for the same reason.

These characters' responses when confronted with such decisions, and how it might conflict with their own desires, is a part of their character. Josephine would most likely have done her duty, whereas Dorian refuses to do so. These are moments that show you who these people are, what their goals are, and what and whom they value most.

I also don't really see why her orientation needs to change in order to keep in line with your stated reason. If Josephine is in love with a male Inquisitor, or hell even if she just thinks the chosen noble guy is icky, I don't see how it makes her decision any less valid to go ahead and marry the guy despite not wanting to for whatever personal reason. In that case, her being straight is totally irrelevant because she will still be marrying someone she has no interest in, or even dislikes.

[vertigomez]

I really mucked this up. My words were very poorly chosen, Josephine and Sera are both interesting characters, by saying they should have their sexuality changed is offensive. Even though they are fictional characters, those feelings can bleed into real life. The people I respect most are the ones who are true to themselves and my post sounded anything but that. I'm sorry If I offended anyone.
So original post, it would be interesting in a dragon age playing as a non human male character, to romance a non human female character.

Happy new year everyone.

I know you're addressing everybody here, but just to clarify: I figured your words were misguided or poorly chosen, but not intentionally malicious. Sorry if I was a douche, and thank you for clearing that up.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Scout Harding for a fling.

[sch1986]

Josephine I can definitely see the point about her not being bisexual. And it isn't really fair to say "well Dorian should also be only heterosexual then" because he isn't. He ran away from his family for a reason. Josephine makes it perfectly clear her obligation is to her family.

It's the reason she won't get with Blackwall if neither of them is being romanced. She says blackwall is sweet but it's a love that can never be...

So how is a romance with a woman one that "can be". Josephine's sexuality does bother me for continuity reasons. I kind of feel like she was made bisexual just so lesbian inquisitors had more than one option. Which I'm totally for! I just don't think it should have been Josephine. Even Vivienne would have made more sense to me. Or Cassandra. I just don't think knowing everything we do about Josephine that even if she is bisexual it would ever be something she would pursue for the sake of her familial obligations.

[Master Warder Z_]

That doesn't make her straight. That might force her into a straight relationship.

Which is my point.

It annoyed me it was never mentioned.

[In Exile]

Which is my point.

It annoyed me it was never mentioned.

Why would it be mentioned?

[daveliam]

Josephine I can definitely see the point about her not being bisexual. And it isn't really fair to say "well Dorian should also be only heterosexual then" because he isn't. He ran away from his family for a reason. Josephine makes it perfectly clear her obligation is to her family.

It's the reason she won't get with Blackwall if neither of them is being romanced. She says blackwall is sweet but it's a love that can never be...

So how is a romance with a woman one that "can be". Josephine's sexuality does bother me for continuity reasons. I kind of feel like she was made bisexual just so lesbian inquisitors had more than one option. Which I'm totally for! I just don't think it should have been Josephine. Even Vivienne would have made more sense to me. Or Cassandra. I just don't think knowing everything we do about Josephine that even if she is bisexual it would ever be something she would pursue for the sake of her familial obligations.

 

That's not how sexuality works.  She's a bisexual character who doesn't make a big deal about her sexuality.  She's exactly the type of character that many people have been asking for. 

[nightscrawl]

I just don't think knowing everything we do about Josephine that even if she is bisexual it would ever be something she would pursue for the sake of her familial obligations.

 

That's the whole point. She makes that decision for herself because she has decided the familial obligations are more important. That's why it doesn't actually matter what her orientation is. Regardless of what she wants romantically and/or sexually, she will be marrying someone she doesn't like (or has no interest in). If she makes that decision as a straight woman to marry a man she doesn't like, or makes it as a bi woman. In one scenario she might be in love with your Inquisitor who is a man, in the other she might be in love with either a male or female Inquisitor.

 

The decision is the important thing here. Her sexuality, which may or may not be impacted by said decision, is incidental.

 

 

[edit]

So let's say Josephine is straight. I want someone to explain why it would be any less shitty that she is marrying a man she has no interest in -- particularly if she is currently in love with the male Inquisitor -- than if she were bi and in love with the female Inquisitor. In both scenarios she is forsaking the person she truly loves in favor of family obligations, and in BOTH scenarios the sex with her new husband is... less than ideal to downright bad and/or painful.

 

Please explain how her being straight is so much more helpful.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 01 janvier 2015 - 02:57 .