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[XEternalXDreamsX]

If I created a female Qunari to romance Bull, does that me Bi? Lol.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

This Josephine argument is stupid. She's willing to get in a relationship with a male dwarf or qunari as well. If her priority was to make an heir, then she should be gated from them as well. Focusing on her bisexuality is thinly veiled heterosexism.

[Colonelkillabee]

This Josephine argument is stupid. She's willing to get in a relationship with a male dwarf or qunari as well. If her priority was to make an heir, then she should be gated from them as well. Focusing on her bisexuality is thinly veiled heterosexism.

Lol you really need to cool it with the accusations. Don't agree with the op, but damn.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

If I created a female Qunari to romance Bull, does that me Bi? Lol.

Not only are you now bi, you're also now female. And now a qunari. Congrats!

[XEternalXDreamsX]

This Josephine argument is stupid. She's willing to get in a relationship with a male dwarf or qunari as well. If her priority was to make an heir, then she should be gated from them as well. Focusing on her bisexuality is thinly veiled heterosexism.

She seems very open minded so I see her being Bi. Where she I from, do they look down on different sexual orientations? It seems she will have a heir if she chooses a male inquisitor. If not, it doesn't seem to bother her since she is in love. As for Sera, being Les (chosen in game) or Heterosexual fits her since she seems more close minded about things in life but it's is her thing to like women.

[nightscrawl]

This Josephine argument is stupid. She's willing to get in a relationship with a male dwarf or qunari as well. If her priority was to make an heir, then she should be gated from them as well. Focusing on her bisexuality is thinly veiled heterosexism.

 

I disagree with your accusation here. I'm under the impression that the people arguing in favor somehow think that the mere fact of Josephine being straight (if this were the case) makes her marrying a man she has no interest in less bad for Josephine.

[XEternalXDreamsX]

Not only are you now bi, you're also now female. And now a qunari. Congrats!

Lol! I thought I was insane for doing it but I guess I got to try everything once.

[vertigomez]

She seems very open minded so I see her being Bi. Where she I from, do they look down on different sexual orientations? It seems she will have a heir if she chooses a male inquisitor. If not, it doesn't seem to bother her since she is in love. As for Sera, being Les (chosen in game) or Heterosexual fits her since she seems more close minded about things in life but it's is her thing to like women.

Being open- or close-minded has nothing to do with how bisexual or gay you are.

[Bugsie]

Post number is important in this forum - too few and your motives will be questioned. Too many and your sanity will be questioned.

[Lady Artifice]

Not again.

[Master Warder Z_]

Why would it be mentioned?

Because as a noble she has a duty to house and name.

She must produce an heir of the blood.

It's relatively simple.

[In Exile]

Because as a noble she has a duty to house and name.

She must produce an heir of the blood.

It's relatively simple.

That's not a reason to mention it. No more than it's a reson to mention the prospect of an arranged marriage to someone you find ugly.

[XEternalXDreamsX]

Being open- or close-minded has nothing to do with how bisexual or gay you are.

I might have put that in the wrong context. I meant for her (sera) selection of Orientation of sexuality that she likes something (straight or gay) seems in tune with her character since she has a strict like/disliking of races, it would make sense she would swing one way or the other- not both. Josie, on the other hand, seems liberal and doesn't come off with strict beliefs toward race nor sexual beliefs so her Bisexuality doesn't come off as superficial.

Edit: In my opinion

[daveliam]

Because as a noble she has a duty to house and name.

She must produce an heir of the blood.

It's relatively simple.

 

People are really stretching with this nobility stuff.  Josephine is one of several daughters of a minor noble household.  She has two brothers and a sister.  The brothers will be responsible for producing heirs for the 'bloodline'.  If anything, she'd be married off to a different family for political purposes.  She would be under no obligation to produce an heir.  In fact, in some situations, some noble families (including royal families) would encourage one daughter to remain unmarried and childless as a companion for her parents.  Princess Victoria of the UK is a good example of this.  The idea that one daughter out of several siblings in a minor noble family would be able to marry a non-noble match is not unheard of.

[CuriousArtemis]

*sighs* FINE

 

I found Josie boring and wished Cass was a bi love interest. (Sorry, just really not into Sera.)

 

And I actually 100% agree with this Cass.... why won't you love me xD

[Master Warder Z_]

People are really stretching with this nobility stuff. Josephine is one of several daughters of a minor noble household. She has two brothers and a sister. The brothers will be responsible for producing heirs for the 'bloodline'. If anything, she'd be married off to a different family for political purposes. She would be under no obligation to produce an heir. In fact, in some situations, some noble families (including royal families) would encourage one daughter to remain unmarried and childless as a companion for her parents. Princess Victoria of the UK is a good example of this. The idea that one daughter out of several siblings in a minor noble family would be able to marry a non-noble match is not unheard of.

One, She's the first born and thus heir apparent.

The onus is on her.

Marriage and the producing of a child would be requirements.

Two Frivolity is tolerated once commitments are met in Thedas for the most part.

Three.

It is in Thedas.

Marrying down is alien.

[Master Warder Z_]

And I actually 100% agree with this Cass.... why won't you love me xD

Cus she likes dudes?

[Eveangaline]

I just assumed the inquisitor would be kept as her official lover on the side. She is Antivan after all.

 

Plus considering the family fortune and lands are strained, keeping the official family small might be a good idea. Why not make one of her siblings or one of their kids her heir?

[daveliam]

One, She's the first born and thus heir apparent.

The onus is on her.

Marriage and the producing of a child would be requirements.

Two Frivolity is tolerated once commitments are met in Thedas for the most part.

Three.

It is in Thedas.

Marrying down is alien.

 

You realize that had she married that other guy she would actually have been part of his noble family, right?  Unless you think that he was going to give up his family to join the Montilyets. 

 

Also, marrying down is not 'alien'.  It happens.  It's not common and it's not accepted.  But it happens.  Leandra Hawke would like to say hi.

[frylock23]

I think what the OP is trying to say is that he wanted more options from different races for heteros, but they're all human. I think he wants a dwarf for a dwarf, a qunari for a qunari and an elf for an elf. I'm not sure that he's upset with the notion of them being available to more than one gender, and I'm not sure that his second point and first points are related even though he didn't split them into different paragraphs to make that point.

 

I think the Josie bit is separate from the Sera bit.

 

I get where he's going with Josie, but I think it would be fine to leave her orientation as is if instead of Disney ending for a female, she made it clear you would have to make way for her family duty eventually. However, you would always be first in her heart.

 

As for the Sera thing, I think it's just what I mentioned above - the OP thinks there are too many human LIs.

[Br3admax]

You realize that had she married that other guy she would actually have been part of his noble family, right?  Unless you think that he was going to give up his family to join the Montilyets. 

 

Also, marrying down is not 'alien'.  It happens.  It's not common and it's not accepted.  But it happens.  Leandra Hawke would like to say hi.

No she really wouldn't, that's not how nobility works, and the fact that someone did something, from a laughing stock of a noble family, does not mean that someone from a very prominent noble family can. 

 

Honestly, unless both human and male, the duel shouldn't have happened to begin with, and even then the Trevelyans are Marchers anyway. It makes no logical sense when Josephine would never be obligated to actually be faithful. 

[frylock23]

Actually, daveliam, you are assuming that things pass through the paternal line and not the maternal. Things could work differently where Josie is from. It could be paternal is which case you are correct, or it could be strict primogeniture in which case, it's her responsibility to carry on the bloodline. Or, it could be a mix - maternal primogeniture or paternal primogeniture.

[daveliam]

......the fact that someone did something, from a laughing stock of a noble family, does not mean that someone from a very prominent noble family can. 

 

Which is which?  The Amells or the Montilyets?  Both are impoverished minor noble families with tarnished reputations.  I see them as comparable.

 

 

Actually, daveliam, you are assuming that things pass through the paternal line and not the maternal. Things could work differently where Josie is from. It could be paternal is which case you are correct, or it could be strict primogeniture in which case, it's her responsibility to carry on the bloodline. Or, it could be a mix - maternal primogeniture or paternal primogeniture.

 

You know, that's a fair point.  I assume that Anitvan politics are paternal based, given that the line of kings has been unbroken for centuries.  Also, since the only notable female Antivan noble is Queen Asha, who's known primarily for marrying off her progeny to other nobles houses in Thedas (similar to Queen Victoria).  Both of those seem in line with patrilineal societies.  I guess it's possible that this isn't the case, but I haven't really seen anything to suggest so.

 

Perhaps Josephine as the eldest would have pressure to marry and produce an heir, but does that actually happen in her romance arc?  Because I didn't see it in the footage I watched.  I saw her being engaged to someone, but Josephine clearly states that it's because her family doesn't know about her and the Inquisitor and then her suitor withdraws his claim (regardless of the Inquisitor's gender) when he realizes that it's a love match.  So I'm still not seeing the evidence to suggest that she's under some obligation to marry a human male noble and produce heirs.

[Ryzaki]

People are really stretching with this nobility stuff.  Josephine is one of several daughters of a minor noble household.  She has two brothers and a sister.  The brothers will be responsible for producing heirs for the 'bloodline'.  If anything, she'd be married off to a different family for political purposes.  She would be under no obligation to produce an heir.  In fact, in some situations, some noble families (including royal families) would encourage one daughter to remain unmarried and childless as a companion for her parents.  Princess Victoria of the UK is a good example of this.  The idea that one daughter out of several siblings in a minor noble family would be able to marry a non-noble match is not unheard of.

 

Particularly one with as much power and influence as the Inquisitor. Chances are the Quizzy is a far better match than most nobles who would've gone for her anyway (discounting love of course).