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[N7 Tigger]

I just unlocked the Elementalist and I must be missing something because, at first glance, Immolate seems much more useful than Firestorm.

 

Immolate:

300% weapon damage (400% upgraded)

Burning 75% weapon damage for 8 seconds (150% upgraded)

3 meter area of effect

16 second cooldown (12 second upgraded)

35 mama

Detonator

 

Firestorm:

100% weapon damage

12 hits

60 second cooldown

65 mana

No upgrade

 

Also, does Stormbringer work as advertised?

 

And lastly, can you effectively use Barrier without gimping your damage output?

 

EDIT: General question - How much damage do combo's do? Are they as effective as in Mass Effect?

[Geth Supremacy]

 

I don't know whats going on here, but I'm going to figure it out.....

[Mofojokers]

I just unlocked the Elementalist and I must be missing something because, at first glance, Immolate seems much more useful than Firestorm.

Immolate:
300% weapon damage (400% upgraded)
Burning 75% weapon damage for 8 seconds (150% upgraded)
3 meter area of effect
16 second cooldown (12 second upgraded)
35 mama
Detonator

Firestorm:
100% weapon damage
12 hits
60 second cooldown
65 mana
No upgrade

Also, does Stormbringer work as advertised?

And lastly, can you effectively use Barrier without gimping your damage output?

EDIT: General question - How much damage do combo's do? Are they as effective as in Mass Effect?

Trust me on this i have promoted the ele so god dam much lol. I use two heal on kill rings as well as a heal on hit staff with a heal on kill affect and a 200 hp belt and a 10 constitution neck. So mine is tanky beyond the point that threatening is a joke and i can solo it. The thing is the best ele build i have done is firestorm and death siphon are a must next is barrier another must to be unstoppable. The next choice is yours really but i recommend frost step and fade step and you should be soloing threating as a mage tank. Make good use of your fire proc cd for firestorm fade step for dc frost step to move back or finish mobs and firestorm when ever your proc is up.

[N7 Tigger]

Trust me on this i have promoted the ele so god dam much lol. I use two heal on kill rings as well as a heal on hit staff with a heal on kill affect and a 200 hp belt and a 10 constitution neck. So mine is tanky beyond the point that threatening is a joke and i can solo it. The thing is the best ele build i have done is firestorm and death siphon are a must next is barrier another must to be unstoppable. The next choice is yours really but i recommend frost step and fade step and you should be soloing threating as a mage tank. Make good use of your fire proc cd for firestorm fade step for dc frost step to move back or finish mobs and firestorm when ever your proc is up.

 

So does it come down to relying on Flashpoint to avoid the cooldown on Firestorm?

 

As for Barrier, as a Keeper it seemed all I was doing was alternating casting Barrier on the tanks and Chain Lightning. I was thinking of just being selfish with the Elementalist and only using it on myself when I really needed it so I could concentrate on damage output. Seriously, if a Legionnaire can't stay alive without me spamming Barrier at him that's kind of his problem.

[N7 Tigger]

 

I don't know whats going on here, but I'm going to figure it out.....

 

Just do what I do - Pretend you know what everyone's talking about. When they laugh, laugh along with them. If they call you on it and ask why you're laughing, point and say "What's that over there?" When they turn to look - run.

[Mofojokers]

So does it come down to relying on Flashpoint to avoid the cooldown on Firestorm?

As for Barrier, as a Keeper it seemed all I was doing was alternating casting Barrier on the tanks and Chain Lightning. I was thinking of just being selfish with the Elementalist and only using it on myself when I really needed it so I could concentrate on damage output. Seriously, if a Legionnaire can't stay alive without me spamming Barrier at him that's kind of his problem.

You are right with the barrier so you can focus on dps and yes the proc is good for firestorm because it has about 10 seconds cooldown so if you time it you can spam non stop fire storm. remember you are a juggernaut keep barrier on ya and as long as firestorm is up you cannot die if you can get a heal on hit staff and the rest. Also fade step is kinda needed to solo dc on threating.

[N7 Tigger]

You are right with the barrier so you can focus on dps and yes the proc is good for firestorm because it has about 10 seconds cooldown so if you time it you can spam non stop fire storm. remember you are a juggernaut keep barrier on ya and as long as firestorm is up you cannot die if you can get a heal on hit staff and the rest. Also fade step is kinda needed to solo dc on threating.

 

All sound advice except for a couple of points.

 

1. I don't have the gear. The best staff I have is a level 15 Rare (which does have 1% heal on hit). I have a 5% heal on kill ring and a +50 health belt but I am yet to find a single amulet.

 

2. Fade/Frost Step. I'm nowhere near ready for soloing so I'm not sure if two ability points and a skill slot are worth it to avoid one attack from one enemy in one faction.

[Mofojokers]

All sound advice except for a couple of points.

1. I don't have the gear. The best staff I have is a level 15 Rare (which does have 1% heal on hit). I have a 5% heal on kill ring and a +50 health belt but I am yet to find a single amulet.

2. Fade/Frost Step. I'm nowhere near ready for soloing so I'm not sure if two ability points and a skill slot are worth it to avoid one attack from one enemy in one faction.

I promise if you try my build you will love it and the gear you have it good for it maybe not solo but pretty dam close. With the build and your gear you will be carrying groups also just having that staff still means firestorm will not let you die.

[N7 Tigger]

I promise if you try my build you will love it and the gear you have it good for it maybe not solo but pretty dam close. With the build and your gear you will be carrying groups also just having that staff still means firestorm will not let you die.

 

I was thinking about skipping Fade/Frost Step and trying this - http://da-skills.net...011,00100,0C1,1

 

Have you tried Stormbringer? Because if it works properly it sounds like having a bonus 5th skill with decent, if not great, damage and cooldown.

[Mofojokers]

I was thinking about skipping Fade/Frost Step and trying this - http://da-skills.net...011,00100,0C1,1

Have you tried Stormbringer? Because if it works properly it sounds like having a bonus 5th skill with decent, if not great, damage and cooldown.

I always take storm bringer also it does work bud you can take it along with the others. Its a passive that when your close to enemies it randomly strikes a target then sets a cd and then repeats it is really handy.

[Akuma47]

Elementalist isnt really damage class although it can be one. Since you are the only one except keeper who has barrier, barrier is mandatory for him. On perilous at least. As his CC spells aka Firestorm and Firewall. But going full dps is fun too, but it is hard to find parties that wouldnt die w/o your barrier on higher diff.

[junker1990]

My Elementalist is: upgraded Immolate, upgraded Fire Mine, upgraded Winter's Grasp, upgraded Fade Cloak. True tank, he even don't need to move. Just don't mix up control keys.

[Chi_Mangetsu]

Mojojokers, how do they work?

Firestorm is a leading cause of tooth decay and key glitches (60% of the time it works every time) that's best avoided till that shite is fixed.

[Akuma47]

My Elementalist is: upgraded Immolate, upgraded Fire Mine, upgraded Winter's Grasp, upgraded Fade Cloak. True tank, he even don't need to move. Just don't mix up control keys.

 

On what difficulty if I may ask?

[Mofojokers]

Mojojokers, how do they work?

Firestorm is a leading cause of tooth decay and key glitches (60% of the time it works every time) that's best avoided till that shite is fixed.

Your right they do need to fix it so eles can be the power play there meant to be.

[Mofojokers]

On what difficulty if I may ask?

Yeah id like to know what difficulty your doing. Because most groups wont take an ele that does not use barrier on perilous. Plus a firestorm is a must broken atm thanks to key glitch but thats the eles bread and butter. But your right fade step is a must for dc and last minute survival.

[junker1990]

On what difficulty if I may ask?

 

I'm afraid of Perilous so it's for Threatening (staff is Fury of the Vail, HoK rings and so on). But on Threatening I can tank Red Templar Commander with that build (not soloing of course).

[BraveLToaster]

Not barrier-ing whoever is pulling aggro is a bad idea on tougher waves of Threatening and on all of Perilous.  Death Siphon does a good job of keeping your mana at manageable levels.

 

The only excuses for not running Barrier on a mage imo is being on Routine or playing Necro.

[junker1990]

Yeah id like to know what difficulty your doing. Because most groups wont take an ele that does not use barrier on perilous. Plus a firestorm is a must broken atm thanks to key glitch but thats the eles bread and butter. But your right fade step is a must for dc and last minute survival.

 

Personally I dislike Fire Storm and Wall of Fire because they are obscuring the battlefield either for rangers and for melee players.

[N7 Tigger]

Mojojokers, how do they work?

Firestorm is a leading cause of tooth decay and key glitches (60% of the time it works every time) that's best avoided till that shite is fixed.

 

I'll take it just for 5/5. No keys on 5/5. I've been getting through the first four areas just fine without it.

[III Poison III]

I've promoted my ele too many times to remember and never ever once used barrier and still been unstoppable on Threatening. I've never tried soloing it though and probably never will. Got single player for that. Gonna try barrier next time and think I'll drop firewall.

[Chaz Darkbane]

I have to say I love using Firestorm, the constant knockdowns and damage make it an incredibly fun skill, and the fact all the damage is done over the course of the duration makes it very handy for extended fights, even if not so much for burst.

 

Then again I have to say, I don't know how well the skill works without flashpoint, the RNG gods graced me with a staff that has 16% crit chance and I recently got a 5% critical chance ring, without that constant proccing of flashpoint I wouldn't be able to spam the skill nearly as much as I do now. On my second leveling run with my Ele and my current skills are

 

• Immolate
• Wall of Fire
• Firestorm
• Fade Cloak (screw you demon commander)

 

With this set up I have been able to blaze (get it? It is a fire joke) through threatening, I haven't tried my hand at perilous with the ele yet, but I figure that because he sits in the back row he will be basically the same. So far the only thing I have been considering changing up is switching out Immolate for Stone Fist, but haven't tried it out yet to know how well it actually performs.

 

Strategy wise I pretty much spam Immolate and Wall of Fire at the start of every group, when I proc Flashpoint (which is all the time thanks to my staff) I will toss a firestorm out before waiting on the proc again. At the final room, you can pretty much stop any enemies from getting through the door to the font room with this set up, and punish all those pesky archers who try to group up by it. You ever seen a group of archers constantly burning from a wall of fire, panicking and desperately trying to escape the meteors raining down on them? I love the smell of roasted Venatori in the morning.

[Akuma47]

On Perilous it is much more important to CC mobs and to have barrier on start of the fight. They do too much damage.

[Yumi]

On Perilous it is much more important to CC mobs and to have barrier on start of the fight. They do too much damage.

 

+1.

 

It's like watching necromancers who a total threatening pros take blizzard into perilous and can't figure out why they keep insta-dying. 

 

Perilous is about barriers, crowd control, status effects and ability combos, and any evasive/dodge active abilities you can get. There are few classes that can get away with good AoE DPS skills without getting killed.