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I would like a choice of entering the Black City and then your game crashes...every time.

[Kappa Neko]

We now know that Arlathan is the Black City. And that Fen'harel most likely locked the old gods in there. Considering that the elves play a key role in the overarching mystery about what really went down back then and what all those key players (Flemeth/Morrigan/Solas) want to achieve, it's very possible that the Black City might be endgame. Fen'harel wants to lift the veil and bring back the old gods. If Sandal's prophecy is correct, then the old gods will come back and all the magic will be released from the fade and come back too.

 

Right now I would bet money on DA4 being set in Tevinter because of the big connection to the elves. Dragon Age is a big treasure hunt for the truth. Each game brings us closer to unraveling everything. It started with the blight that gives us the first clue. Tevinter magisters caused it. But a tentative connection to the elves is introduced with the eluvian that only becomes clear in DAI. It's not really about mortal mages at all. It's about the ancient elves. But they ARE connected to magic big time. Now we know how the elves became slaves. Again. And we're back at the Tevinter magisters... In Tevinter we'll probably learn a great deal more about what happened with the Black City. Which could be a setup for actually going there in DA5...

 

Maybe we just witness it all happen from afar. Who knows. I'd love to go to the Black City. It's central to the mystery. But it better be well done!

[Lord of Mu]

Unless we discover that the black city reacts to the hearts of those that enter the black city, and in this case returns to the state of a golden city if the Inquisitor visited the city. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure I don't want to become a darkspawn.

[Ashagar]

We now know that Arlathan is the Black City. And that Fen'harel most likely locked the old gods in there. Considering that the elves play a key role in the overarching mystery about what really went down back then and what all those key players (Flemeth/Morrigan/Solas) want to achieve, it's very possible that the Black City might be endgame. Fen'harel wants to lift the veil and bring back the old gods. If Sandal's prophecy is correct, then the old gods will come back and all the magic will be released from the fade and come back too.

 

Right now I would bet money on DA4 being set in Tevinter because of the big connection to the elves. Dragon Age is a big treasure hunt for the truth. Each game brings us closer to unraveling everything. It started with the blight that gives us the first clue. Tevinter magisters caused it. But a tentative connection to the elves is introduced with the eluvian that only becomes clear in DAI. It's not really about mortal mages at all. It's about the ancient elves. But they ARE connected to magic big time. Now we know how the elves became slaves. Again. And we're back at the Tevinter magisters... In Tevinter we'll probably learn a great deal more about what happened with the Black City. Which could be a setup for actually going there in DA5...

 

Maybe we just witness it all happen from afar. Who knows. I'd love to go to the Black City. It's central to the mystery. But it better be well done!

 

There is no evidence that Arlathan is the black city.

[Kappa Neko]

There is no evidence that Arlathan is the black city.

It hasn't been spoken out loud yet, no. But hinted at, the first time in the Dalish origin when Tamlen looks through the ELUVIAN and sees a great city and then blackness. Doesn't mean anything on it's own, but it's the first connection between elven history and Tevinter history. One big theme in DAI is that the entire elven history is wrong. That nothing happened the way they thought. So Tevinter did not invade Arlathan in the mortal world but in the fade as the Golden City. Because they knew it was were the gods were. The entire series seems to be all about those mysterious powerful elven gods. Everybody wants to find them because they were so powerful. The reason the magisters found the Golden City black was because it was already tainted by the waring elven gods that Fen'harel locked away. Their evils combined with the magisters' lust for power created the darkspawn. That's the first big lie the game uncovers through Corypheus no less in DA2, that it wasn't the magisters who turned the Golden City black. Why was the Golden City black already when they found it? So there's your connection again: Tevinter-Corypheus-ancient elves. Then there's the big connection between slavery among the ancient elves and the slavery in Tevinter.

Seems pretty obvious to me.

 

I guess we'll get confirmation when we visit Tevinter in the future...

[Ranadiel Marius]

I figure we'll go someday, but we'll encounter all 7 magisters beforehand so that we can slowly piece together what they saw there. So we have 5-6 magisters to go before we get to the city itself.

[hellbiter88]

Unless we discover that the black city reacts to the hearts of those that enter the black city, and in this case returns to the state of a golden city if the Inquisitor visited the city. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure I don't want to become a darkspawn.

 

THIS

 

 

I was thinking this is where the story will take us. Villains tainted dark city; future plot: hero breaches fade to restore it.

 

Seems like we're moving toward the realm of the gods now anyway.

[DarkDragon777]

Corypheus said that the "throne of the Gods" was empty when he went there. So I doubt the Elven gods are actually there. And the Old Gods are in their dragon form. That's been made relatively clear. The spirits of the Old Gods also stay in Thedas when they're slain.

[Bob Walker]

What about The Maker himself? Is he an abstraction or a real being?

[Ashagar]

That is something they won't answer and will most likely leave as a mystery though I am inclined to belief he exists in some way, something threw Corypheus and the other magisters out of the city and something inspired Andraste.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Unless we discover that the black city reacts to the hearts of those that enter the black city, and in this case returns to the state of a golden city if the Inquisitor visited the city. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure I don't want to become a darkspawn.

 

And tyrant evil inquisitor who has no friends just continues the cycle I guess?

[ColloquialAnachron]

  I'm sure that in an eventual game we will enter the Black City.  There is simply too much invested in the ever unravelling various mythologies for the player not to go there.  I also continue to think that the Golden City was only golden whilst the "gods" lived in it and that much like Flemeth's body post Mythal exit, it turned Black when it became empty.  

 

   There is too much tied up in the Elvhen/Old Gods/Andraste mythoses for the player not to go to the Black City.  The interesting thing to me is, I think it should be disappointing when it happens.  If the city was just that, a city, then all the fantastic stories that have cropped up since its blackening would only serve to heighten one's expectations.

 

   Think of a very microcosmic case - Varric and the Champion.  Varric, one (albeit talented) story teller, crafts such tales about Hawke that he is seen as one of only two viable options to save the world.  In very short order, Varric turns an essentially exceptional, but still severely flawed and basically selfish human into a legendary figure.  Now did Hawke do some amazing things?  Absolutely.  Was Hawke (usually, most people's playthroughs) a good person?  Certainly.  But the Hawke Varric creates and the one you play as are very different.  And that's one person.  

 

  Now imagine a city where the most powerful beings of an exceedingly powerful race rule from.  This city will definitely be a sight to behold, huge and likely very grand.  Think of the stories the world would tell of such a city when it stood, and when it disappeared.  But it's also a literal city.  That means there are houses, shops, probably toilets and some kind of sewage system.  

 

Maybe Corypheus is a bit of a perv.  Maybe he actually snuck into a royal bathroom in the Black City, and went insane when he found the throne empty.

 

  Joking aside, I think part of Corypheus's disappointment, and the player's eventual disappointment should be similar.  We should eventually, after truly marvelous striving, come to the very place where gods used to dwell.  And, having done that, we should find it utterly mundane.  Here a bed, there a kitchen.  And at the highest peak, a throne room, more grand and beautiful than any other in all of Thedas, but a throne room nonetheless.  An empty throne room where flawed beings with power controlled flawed beings without it, disheartening.  The player should look to the Black City and finally entering it as a monumental quest that will resolve burning questions, and upon achieving the summit, be made to realise that the only thing worse than finding the throne empty would be finding someone sitting in it.  These were kings and queens who ruled.  Their rule was either so tenuous or so fickle that the means of ending it was to literally kill the place from which they exercised their will, cast them out for eternity, and seal the seat away.  The player should be jarred, shaken, and pained to learn that these rulers were either wicked or weak, and the princess (or prince, if you like) of resolution, as it were, is in another castle.

[Samahl na Revas]

There is no need to go there. Sandal is the maker, the elf turned away by not wearing any on their feet. Andraste realized this and showed man that sandals should be worn. Unfortunately, the magisters got this message to late and muddied the golden city. It would probably require way too many elves to clean the now blackened floors, so it may or may not get done. At least I think it goes something like that, who knows.

[rubynorman]

I figure we'll go someday, but we'll encounter all 7 magisters beforehand so that we can slowly piece together what they saw there. So we have 5-6 magisters to go before we get to the city itself.

 

I don't think there are that many ancient magisters left.

 

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Reminds me of a story my grandsire used to tell, about something his grandsire did. Said he once came upon a group of three darkspawn in the Deeper Roads, each twice the size of any Dwarf - bigger than Humans, even - and dressed up like kings. He watched from the shadows and said they talked, like people, about things he couldn't understand. A city gone black, and they blamed each other for things but could barely remember for what. My Mam was like that: never remembered the slight, just that she was angry. Story goes they attacked each other, and one ran off while the second choked the third to death and then ate him.

 

http://dragonage.wik...rent_Darkspawn?

[Lordwarallied]

i read some fallacies here. Id like to point out a couple.

 

1. Its not proven Arlathan is the black city. It was before a possibility when we thought the humans made the very ground swallow arlathan. Not only do we now know that it isnt true, and that the art released by bioware show an isle type city. But There was more going on than we thought plausible. David gaider did say that their lore is essentially a bunch of stuff gathered, interpreted to make sense as a whole.none of it is really true.

 

2. What temlen truly found isnt the black city, the eluvians doesnt go there logically, i dont want to elaborate why, but we have all evidence of the contrary. What Temlen saw was an ancient blighted dwarven thaig

 

3. Lets not forget something essential, the ``stone`` the dwarves worship IS alive (the lyrium), It can have the blight AND in DA2; when we get into a pre-historical thaig: we realise that the blight DOES NOT come from the black city and the dwarves were FAR different. Perhaps even magical. They believed in gods, built differently, and had the taint around which predates the first blight.

 

4. Someone talked about it before. What we know now is that Fen harel isnt evil as we thought, didnt trick anyone to the extend we think. Tried to protect the good gods; his friends, and slumbered in deep sleep for unknown reasons when all the gods were sealed. We also know the veil is artificial. Built AFTER the world was created when the fade and thedas was one.

 

5. After the final fight vs the elder one and the conversations with him, and the expansion of DA:O. The black city is physical! its not a fade reflection of something else in Thedas. Corypheus showed that with red lyrium he has the power to levitate land and bring it in the fade. 

 

6.The golden city most likely existed. I mean people could access the fade for a very long time and see it, even when andraste talked about it and after until the magister's time. Corypheus before ''dying'' did mentioned he walked the halls of the golden city. The ancient elves also mentions it.

 

7. Flemeth mentioned that she is perhaps a dragon in DA:2 who is mythal. Old gods are dragons. Temple of mythal has dead whispers in her well. the black city had dead whispers too. connection?

 

8. I think there is more to the Old Gods than we know. i dont think they are the forgotten ones. Since the elven lore is all bullshit. We also need to understand that flemeth nor fen harel, nor morrigan calls them that. They are what they called them. What does it all mean, to lead where? im not sure.

 

9: Codex entry 103 in Tales: The lost city of barindur IS VERY intringuing. People should read it.

 

EDIT: 10: It is revealed also that the blight is a TOOL, not a punishement nor curse. It has great power also. but it still very mysterious with unknown intent. 

 

Does the maker exist? no, at least not thus far. But he could be the Sun (elven lore) or the father god.

I think DA:I role was to destroy as hard as it can our possible belief in the Maker and the chantry with room for very small doubts.

The next game will probably will try to reinstate that faith. I like what sera said when she said that the belief i nthe Maker and the elven pantheon cannot co-exist, which relates to the belief of morrigan that the gods arent gods, just very powerful beings (also since corypheus showed that someone CAN ACHIEVE God-hood.) its a REALLY odd concept. Its always been like: you are a god or not and you are the bringer of everything depending on your will. 

[l7986]

I say in a dream sequence that shows the magisters going there for the first time, or something like the intro to the first game where Duncan is narrating the rise of the Darkspawn/Blights/Wardens and such. A big fat no to going there as a PC.

[Nashina]

I don't know, i would like more research into the fade and the black city, plus the taint and If there is a way to removed the taint from the city i would like that opportunity as a player. Then maybe the city will be too bright to look at or look into that we never actually go into it. 

[KillTheLastRomantic]

We're never going to enter the Black City for the exact same reason we're never going to see the Maker in-game.

 

Not really. We already know the Black City exists. And, if what Corypheus says is true, there is no God there to confront or question. So I don't see why going would reveal every secret of the Dragon Age universe.

[Lordwarallied]

Not really. We already know the Black City exists. And, if what Corypheus says is true, there is no God there to confront or question. So I don't see why going would reveal every secret of the Dragon Age universe.

 

As avernus said, An answer to what the taint is, is there. Its a big deal. Also the fact that there is a throne to speak of. There is so many mysteries i dont even want to get into that lol.

There is also many evidence that says that the city was actually golden at one point.

[Kappa Neko]

*snip*

Your statements do not contradict that Arlathan is the Black City. Yes, the Golden City existed when it was Arlathan once Then it got sealed away in the fade (I do not know if the fade being created for this very purpose adds up but it certainly sounds that way) after it presumably turned black by the elven gods themselves as they destroyed it by war.  Corypheus in DA2 says that the city was already black when they got there, where does he say that he walked the golden halls?

The Temple of Mythal has a loooot of golden surfaces all over the place...

 

Your statement that the Black City is not a reflection but physical actually very much supports the idea that it is Arlathan. The actual city transported into the fade. That's why it disappeared.

 

You are right, the red lyrium seems to predate the blight, so the magisters did not cause the corruption when they entered the Black City. So we still don't know how the taint came to be, right? There is something big about the dwarves coming. They are connected to this somehow. We still don't know where the magic actually comes from either. Only that the elves were masters of magic and that the magic might very well have been their source of immortality. Whether all elves were once immortal and lost it when the magic got sealed away in the fade, is still speculation like everything, I believe.

I would also agree that the elven gods are probably not gods but more like kings with magic so powerful that they were revered as gods. It seems that the old gods and the elven gods might be the same thing though. Flemeth can turn into a dragon. Solas gets angry with the Wardens killing the Archdemons. Can't be coincidence. The astrariums heavily imply that Tevinter stole the lore of the elven gods and modified it. In fact, Tevinter stole pretty much everything from the elves, including a diluted form of their magic to recreate their version of elven glory complete with their own slavery.

Immortality seems to be achieved through body hopping/transferring aspects of the soul. Which seems like a magical ritual of sorts. But this doesn't mean they were gods, only there there is something godlike about magic. And those powerful beings can shape history like Mythal does all the time. These elven gods seem as flawed as any regular mortal being. But then again "gods" and "god" as a creator may be two very different concepts. The Maker may still exists abstractly as the magic in Thedas. As a life force or even the "goodness" inside everyone. The irony would of course be that Tevinter sought the Golden City as the seat of the Maker while it may just be the former seat of the elven "gods". So it's not that the Maker and the elven pantheon cannot co-exist, they are in a way the same thing. There is no contradiction at all imo. Especially if it turns out that all races are descendants from corrupted non-longer-immortal elves or something. That would make the elves the Maker in a very real sense...

 

(Forgive me any holes in my theories, I haven't played DAO and DA2 since they came out and was never invested in the mythology until DAI made me realize that the games are actually ALL about the gods, not the mage/templar conflict on the surface. Yeah, I came late to the party! How was I supposed to know that a video game series was complex like that? *g* I can be horribly oblivious to things unless I know what I'm looking for and pay attention deliberately. I need to replay.... *sigh*)

[Agna]

With the Inquisitor having the power to enter the fade physically, it would've made a lot of sense for us to visit the black city in this game. Of course, the whole black city thing seems to be an endgame sort of thing, so I imagine we'll probably go there in the 5th game if Bioware is still following their 5 game plan.

 

Whey did Bioware actually announce that they would make 5 DA games? I've hever heard about it

[Gill Kaiser]

The Black City seems like an endgame kind of thing. We need many more revelations about the true nature of the Blight, lyrium, the Eluvians, the elven gods, the Old Gods, and the Forgotten Ones first.

 

In the Black City, there will be answers. But first, we need the questions to be more defined.

[leaguer of one]

It's most likely going to happen in the last game.

[leaguer of one]

Not really. We already know the Black City exists. And, if what Corypheus says is true, there is no God there to confront or question. So I don't see why going would reveal every secret of the Dragon Age universe.

outside of what the black city really is?

[Ashagar]

There's likely also the matter of the nightmare demon and its army of demons lurking outside...