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[earl of the north]

Isn't there already established lore of the arrival making any Tevinter creation theory unlikely, they arrived in ships and kicked Tevinter's ass was the basic version I think. 

 

I remember IB saying the Qunari feel a kinship to dragons but I don't remember him ever talking to dragons, also dragons in DA don't talk so it would be hard to have a conversation with one anyway......never mind the whole swooping, killing and eating thing.

 

The "you were never meant to exist" line is I believe common to all the races. I'm playing a qunari at the moment so I'll be seeing if the line is any different soon.

 

Kolgrim            (head wacko of a murderous wacko cult) being held up a proof of anything other than the dangers of inbreeding was good for a laugh.

[Staufer]

This is the only qunari-related matter I'm interested in:

Spoiler

Qunari slavery.

 

Joking aside, it's a theory a little too bold for my liking, but one that shouldn't be dismissed so quickly. Might just prove correct once we get a little more information.

 

Also:

 

 

Aha ... mmmhmm, I tell you what Qunari really are, you little heretic:

 

Big, slow moving targets, easy to hit with arrows and spells.

 

Join the Exalted March today! Every Qun-horn gets you a golden Sovereign! Let the Maker guide us against these abominations, to victory, for THEDAS! FOR THE MAKER!

 

Dues vult!

[Geth Supremacy]

Isn't there already established lore of the arrival making any Tevinter creation theory unlikely, they arrived in ships and kicked Tevinter's ass was the basic version I think. 

 

I remember IB saying the Qunari feel a kinship to dragons but I don't remember him ever talking to dragons, also dragons in DA don't talk so it would be hard to have a conversation with one anyway......never mind the whole swooping, killing and eating thing.

 

 

[earl of the north]

I knew someone would do that. 

[Navasha]

Bull does say that whatever the Kossith were that they came from that they probably don't look much like them.   Its quite possible the Qunari were bred or engineered into a slave species.    I mean they are big, strong, durable, and not all that bright.   Also seem to be easily brainwashed into following a totalitarian controlled society structure without much dissent.  

 

Yeah, I think its a good chance that the Qunari were a developed species.  Some dragon/Kossith hybrid perhaps.

[YCBself]

Bull does say that whatever the Kossith were that they came from that they probably don't look much like them.   Its quite possible the Qunari were bred or engineered into a slave species.    I mean they are big, strong, durable, and not all that bright.   Also seem to be easily brainwashed into following a totalitarian controlled society structure without much dissent.  

 

Yeah, I think its a good chance that the Qunari were a developed species.  Some dragon/Kossith hybrid perhaps.

 

People generally don't rebel wholesale against the only culture they've ever known. Particularly not when the prime examples of their kind that do leave are bloodthirsty raiders and pirates.

 

To get back to the topic though I'm not sure if any of their physical atributes alone would indicate Qunari are an engineered race. One could just as easily say that because dwarfs are small, need little light and are durable enough to avoid being easily crushed that they were clearly designed to live in the Deep Roads.

[ERINII]

 

I remember IB saying the Qunari feel a kinship to dragons but I don't remember him ever talking to dragons, also dragons in DA don't talk so it would be hard to have a conversation with one anyway......never mind the whole swooping, killing and eating thing.

 

 

He says "something about that dragon spoke to me", not in the literal meaning but in a way that, for example, art can "speak to you" on an emotional / spiritual level.

 

I can't say I fully support TC's theory but I'm pretty confident that the Qunari and the dragons are linked in some way. I wouldn't be surprised if Navasha's theory was true.

[lLord Bhaal]

He says that? Like he literally says that the Qunari race is a mistake? I know he says you, as in the Inquisitor, is a mistake but does he say that about the Qunari too?

Anyway I figure there's probably something darker hidden in the Qunari's backstory. Some heavy hints are dropped. Solas outright saying the Qunari are only held in check by the Qun making it less of a religion/philosophy and more a carefully constructed prison for themselves, there's Bull that says the Qunari came from some dark thing that they bear no more resemblance too. There's the tendency for Qunari defectors to go violent, even Bull and the Inquisitor are constantly embroiled in violence and at we know that at least Bull loves it. So yeah, definitely more to explore there.

Cory says that about all nonhuman races me thinks. Said it about my dwarf and elf inquisitors.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Qunari are just evolved cows. Thus their herd mentality like culture. The are probably herbivores.

[leaguer of one]

To add on to this, Cole does say something hinting this...

 

"Cole: The iron bull, you're names after your horns.

Bull:Yes I am.

Cole:But you named yourself after the bull but they are Dragon horns. You've could of named yourself Irondragon.

Bull:Well.....****."

 

And remember, her senses,feels and see thing about the world no one else sees.

[Ashagar]

Cory says that about all nonhuman races me thinks. Said it about my dwarf and elf inquisitors.

 

I remember him calling Inquisitor Casdash a jumped up dirt grubber not a mistake.
 

[Violetbliss]

I am not sure, the Kossith is a huge mystery but we don't even know for sure if they are a myth within the game or not. I'm inclined to believe there is some dragon relation, because you can really see some kind of draconic cast to them, especially Iron Bull - I think it's the face shape. I really hope we'll find out more someday. Vashoth is my favourite pick to play as thus far - I am not a huge fan of the Qun, although I understand its lure.

 

...what about if Iron Bull's um... enthusiasm for dragon-slaying is a reaction to some mating instinct carried over, if there is a connection? Maybe best not go there.

 

It's really fun to speculate in the matter of the qunari/vashoth though.

[leaguer of one]

I am not sure, the Kossith is a huge mystery but we don't even know for sure if they are a myth within the game or not. I'm inclined to believe there is some dragon relation, because you can really see some kind of draconic cast to them, especially Iron Bull - I think it's the face shape. I really hope we'll find out more someday. Vashoth is my favourite pick to play as thus far - I am not a huge fan of the Qun, although I understand its lure.

 

...what about if Iron Bull's um... enthusiasm for dragon-slaying is a reaction to some mating instinct carried over, if there is a connection? Maybe best not go there.

 

It's really fun to speculate in the matter of the qunari/vashoth though.

My female qunari inquisitor became a reaver.....And she's romancing him...

[Maniccc]

Well, the Qun is fascist, so...if you are OK with fascism, then you should be OK with the Qun, I suppose.

[Sinophile]

I've always thought that the Qunari came from the Protheans. As for the Qun, its pretty much Confucianism. Medieval Japan and Korea had similar beliefs.

[ashwind]

Awww... love the soundtrack. But until Bull shouts something to death, I dont buy the theory XD

[Drix153]

Kieran mentions something about your blood being different if you are a Qunari Inquisitor.

[Gonzo]

The Qun isnt exactly facist when you think about it. For one it doesnt have a strong leadership figure and the ones in charge are subject to the rules as much as everyone else. Yeah, Confucianism and other similar philosofies are clearly the base on wich the qun was created, the diference is that the qun is way more institutionalized.

[Gonzo]

Kieran mentions something about your blood being different if you are a Qunari Inquisitor.

Interesting, he says the blood of elf-inqui is "old". I wonder what he says to dwarves...

[Casuist]

The Qun isnt exactly facist when you think about it. For one it doesnt have a strong leadership figure and the ones in charge are subject to the rules as much as everyone else. Yeah, Confucianism and other similar philosofies are clearly the base on wich the qun was created, the diference is that the qun is way more institutionalized.

 

Well, the Qun does have the Arishok/Arigena/Ariqun triumvirate. There's nothing in the definition of fascism to demand an individual leader (indeed the opposite... both the modern definition and etymology emphasize the primacy of the state - the only reason to think of it in terms of a single authority is taking a somewhat oversimplified view of the fascist states of the mid-20th century). Regardless, applying a real-world definition of "fascism" to the Qunari doesn't really work due to certain elements more closely related to Communism in the Qun (though this term also has drawbacks). I think we can apply the "Totalitarian" label to the Qunari quite easily.

[Angarma]

Kieran's Qunari-specific dialogue:
 

Kieran: You're the Inquisitor. You're very tall. Mother didn't say you were a Qunari.
(Option 1: Is that a bad thing?)
Inquisitor: That's not such a terrible thing, is it?
Kieran: No. I just feel bad about what happened to your people.
(Option 2: I am indeed a Qunari)
Inquisitor: Oh? I'm told it's the first thing one notices about me.
Kieran: I noticed your blood. It doesn't belong to your people.

World of Thedas indicates the Kossith worshipped animist deities; built temples for them, used priests.

However, it also mentions that they were wild and devoted to a chaos which impeded their potential.

 

I've my suspicions Kossith were the ancestors or cousins of the Elvhen, the ancient elves.

Perhaps given to some kind of reverence towards great/high dragons, like that of the reaver cults.

 

Already we've had mention (through Kolgrim, Cassandra, comic etc.) that drinking such blood can grant mutation.

Although I have to wonder whether the Forgotten Ones/Old Gods had any involvement in this early development.

[xnarcosysx]

Why Dont we have such music in DAI? :/

Funny you say that, some think DAI is a full on skyrim rip off to include the music.

[xnarcosysx]

Kieran's Qunari-specific dialogue:


World of Thedas indicates the Kossith worshipped animist deities; built temples for them, used priests.
However, it also mentions that they were wild and devoted to a chaos which impeded their potential.

I've my suspicions Kossith were the ancestors or cousins of the Elvhen, the ancient elves.
Perhaps given to some kind of reverence towards great/high dragons, like that of the reaver cults.

Already we've had mention (through Kolgrim, Cassandra, comic etc.) that drinking such blood can grant mutation.
Although I have to wonder whether the Forgotten Ones/Old Gods had any involvement in this early development.

And the qunari are complete opposites. They are completely engulfed by the idea of order. Yet Solas says that keeps them from their potential as well.

And if the Kossith were about chaos. Maybe they are the evil deities of the Elvhen.

[Shark17676]

Bull does say that whatever the Kossith were that they came from that they probably don't look much like them.   Its quite possible the Qunari were bred or engineered into a slave species.    I mean they are big, strong, durable, and not all that bright.   Also seem to be easily brainwashed into following a totalitarian controlled society structure without much dissent.  

 

Yeah, I think its a good chance that the Qunari were a developed species.  Some dragon/Kossith hybrid perhaps.

 

I dunno about that part I bolded.  The Qunari are the most technologically advanced race in the known world, and Sten, the Arishok, and Iron Bull are all very intelligent.

[Kurogane335]

Well, the Qun is fascist, so...if you are OK with fascism, then you should be OK with the Qun, I suppose.

 

Fascism is basically racist. The Qun is basically Communism done right and probably a better society to the wide majority of the population than the other nations in Thedas that we know of. Also, it doesn't seems to be racist, since anyone can become a Qunari and Bioware told us that others than the "giants" could achieve high ranks in this society.

 

But, there is also heavy hints of the Confucianism in it, with the heavy moral obligations and the idea that the world and the self reflect each other. There is also the fact that in both people are supposed to now their place and do their duties, and that in exchange, they will be well treated, even by their superior. However, the two are different in how they we institutionalized (possibly because the Qun, as we know it is less developed that the Confucianism, but that's because it hadn't centuries to mature, and is only five years old ^^).