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[Zobert]

Okay donkey.

I'm not critiquing anyone's opinion, I just posted what I feel about the game and guess what? You two replied to it, the post wasn't even directed to anyone. If anyone feels like arguing, it's you and your bud up there.

That's why I mentioned the basement, seems like you guys don't know what opinion is, got butthurt about it and called me a fanboy for liking the game.

Yeah right? Can't wait

 

No, you're critiquing people and sliding it off as if you're critiquing their opinion.  If you were critiquing their opinion there would be back and forth.  Telling someone to get out of their basement isn't commenting on their feedback to the developers.

 

I am laid up because I got injured and am playing the game from bed.  But I suppose instead of doing that I should be outside running around on crutches rather than saying what would make the game better so that the devs have a starting point for expansion packs.

 

I could also knit, I suppose.  I just chose to post feedback here.

[phantomrachie]

I wasn't even aware of the MMR fiasco and just read up on it. That was an eye opener. Thank you.

 

Yeah its pretty bad. It was a big deal in the UK (I think some parts of the US as well) and while I'm Irish, I watch alot of UK news. There was a big measles epidemic in Wales because of it. 

 

This denial in which fanboys live is really mind blowing.

 

 I don't understand. Why post your opinion of a game online if you are not willing to have others disagree with you?

 

There is no need to resort to insults or to dismiss another persons opinion. 

 

Why not engage with the person like others have tried to do with you rather than dismiss them out of hand.

[Frenrihr]

No, you're critiquing people and sliding it off as if you're critiquing their opinion.  If you were critiquing their opinion there would be back and forth.  Telling someone to get out of their basement isn't commenting on their feedback to the developers.

 

I am laid up because I got injured and am playing the game from bed.  But I suppose instead of doing that I should be outside running around on crutches rather than saying what would make the game better so that the devs have a starting point for expansion packs.

 

I could also knit, I suppose.  I just chose to post feedback here.

 

I thank you for your common sense and comments but you are not going to make sense to him or anyone like him, just ignore him and lets continue with the topic please,

[Andrew Lucas]

No, you're critiquing people and sliding it off as if you're critiquing their opinion.  If you were critiquing their opinion there would be back and forth.  Telling someone to get out of their basement isn't commenting on their feedback to the developers.
 
I am laid up because I got injured and am playing the game from bed.  But I suppose instead of doing that I should be outside running around on crutches rather than saying what would make the game better so that the devs have a starting point for expansion packs.
 
I could also knit, I suppose.  I just chose to post feedback here.

So calling someone a fanboy for liking a game is okay? Just because such person shares differents opinions that he or she clearly don't know what the word means? You're not getting it.

I've never insulted your opinion or someone's, like you claim. On the contrary, I was called a fanboy but I was fine with, it's something normal around here. K?

[B.A. Broska]

While I am surprised that you have not been flamed more (though the ban does not surprise me) I must say I do agree with most of your review, though I would have probably been a little harsher on score giving it a 6/10. While this year has not been a great year for games I do feel there were still far more deserving candidates for GOTY.

 

As for the combat while I do not mind if Bioware wants to go for a more action orientated approach (Dragon's Dogma comes to mind) Bioware does need to make up it's mind about the direction it wants to take the Dragon Age series. The combat as it stands seemed like it was trying to please both worlds yet failed at both, did not have the tactical depth needed to satisfy the tactical RPG player and did not have the fluid fast paced action and control scheme to satisfy the action RPG junkie. In the end Inquisition felt like Hawke's mom after the blood magic surgery, a mismatch of parts stolen from other popular RPGs with no real identity of it's own.

 

In his first statement, at the beginning of his review, he said he was going to try to stick to facts and be objective.

 

Now I would argue that this is very difficult to do in a review, but that was the objective the OP set out for himself so I expected more facts and less opinion.

 

Well technically in the quote you posted you forgot to bold the part that says "as much as possible", most review pieces are opinion (even calling Big Rigs bad would be classed as an opinion despite it's obvious flaws) that does not mean that OP does not raise a lot of legitimate concerns and criticisms that many agree with.

 

While you are free to form any opinion you like on any given game trying to discredit his review by calling it "opinion" can just as easily be done with yours.

[B.A. Broska]

I'm usually more of a lurker than a poster here, but I have to say the OP's review on DA:I is spot on IMO. I'm sitting at 54 hours into my game...as oft 2 weeks ago. No desire to play during that time span, I know that eventually I will complete the game but honestly, I am dreading going into a new zone and having to do everything that goes with that. If the rumors were true that DA:I started out as a multiplier only game (http://www.gamespot....y/1100-6423362/) it really shows and explains many of the gameplay & design decisions fans of previous Dragon Age games have been upset about. 

 

If you are not enjoying it why put yourself through it? At 54 hours surely you have enough power to complete the main story quests and it is not like you are missing much by not exploring all the side areas and performing every side quest on offer. 

[B.A. Broska]

Anyways, the game delivered what it promised

 

40 endings? Customizable Keeps? Choices and consequences that change the world as you play through it?

[B.A. Broska]

I hope that it blows I'm a fanboy for liking a well received game, seems legit. Seriously, stop playing Origins for a while, get out of your basement and go understand what opinions means.

 

I am pretty sure he is calling you a fanboy for trying to discredit his review by ignoring pretty much most of his post and instead claiming the review was all about the hairstyles (which only had a small mention in the larger review)

[Frenrihr]

While I am surprised that you have not been flamed more (though the ban does not surprise me) I must say I do agree with most of your review, though I would have probably been a little harsher on score giving it a 6/10. While this year has not been a great year for games I do feel there were still far more deserving candidates for GOTY.

 

As for the combat while I do not mind if Bioware wants to go for a more action orientated approach (Dragon's Dogma comes to mind) Bioware does need to make up it's mind about the direction it wants to take the Dragon Age series. The combat as it stands seemed like it was trying to please both worlds yet failed at both, did not have the tactical depth needed to satisfy the tactical RPG player and did not have the fluid fast paced action and control scheme to satisfy the action RPG junkie. In the end Inquisition felt like Hawke's mom after the blood magic surgery, a mismatch of parts stolen from other popular RPGs with no real identity of it's own.

 

 

Well technically in the quote you posted you forgot to bold the part that says "as much as possible", most review pieces are opinion (even calling Big Rigs bad would be classed as an opinion despite it's obvious flaws) that does not mean that OP does not raise a lot of legitimate concerns and criticisms that many agree with.

 

While you are free to form any opinion you like on any given game trying to discredit his review by calling it "opinion" can just as easily be done with yours.

 

Thank you for your comments, Divinity could have got GOTY while it has its own problems it was a really unexpected succees,

 

 

For the record :

 

 

"Wow, are we now rating the game because of it's haircuts? Oh gawd. Never gets old.

Anyways, the game delivered what it promised, a truly Bioware game that I enjoyed a lot. So for me, 9/10."

 

 

This comment got what it deserved, this is what is called being in denial, the first part of that statement is false and the person that posted it knows it,  last time i cheked my review has more than 10 sections in which no major point has to do with the haircuts, the second part is false too and there is factual evidence in a lot if videos that promised not only a good combat and tactical system but a bunch of other features that are not even present in the game at release and will never be.

 

I understand some people are desperate to get my attention but this was the last time, i prefer to not waste my time on pointless discussions, either way you will not understand.

[phantomrachie]

Well technically in the quote you posted you forgot to bold the part that says "as much as possible", most review pieces are opinion (even calling Big Rigs bad would be classed as an opinion despite it's obvious flaws) that does not mean that OP does not raise a lot of legitimate concerns and criticisms that many agree with.

 

While you are free to form any opinion you like on any given game trying to discredit his review by calling it "opinion" can just as easily be done with yours.

 

Even with the qualifier 'as much as possible' there is an expectation that the review would stick, as much as possible, to the facts with it didn't. Huge chunks of it are just his opinion.

 

As I said in previous posts, I would argue that is it pretty much impossible for a review to be totally objective, since much of what makes something good or bad boils down to opinion.

 

I was criticising his review based on the objective that he stated he had in the beginning, which was to stick to the facts.

 

I was not trying to discredit his opinion with my own, I was simply highlighting how elements that he claimed were fact weren't because I had a different opinion on them.

 

In fact, I agree with some of his review. 

 

I've been trying to highlight the difference between a fact and an opinion about that fact by putting forth my own point of view.

 

If you don't agree with something that I wrote, awesome, please tell me what its is and why you don't agree so we can have a discussion about it.

 

That is all I seek to do, dismissing anyone who disagrees as a 'fanboy' is not discussion and posting my own point of view is not seeking to discredit something but seeking to discuss something. 

[Andrew Lucas]

40 endings? Customizable Keeps? Choices and consequences that change the world as you play through it?

Erm...I'm having tons of fun with this game. I feel satisfied, it was worth of my wallet. Why would I feel disappointed about the whole game? Because you want me to?

I am pretty sure he is calling you a fanboy for trying to discredit his review by ignoring pretty much most of his post and instead claiming the review was all about the hairstyles (which only had a small mention in the larger review)

And that still qualifies me a fanboy? I've read most of the reviews out there, neither of them presented such pointless complaint that shouldn't mean if the game deserves your money or not. Sure, let's play your game then, you two must be haters for criticizing a well received game then, right? While that is wrong, it may be right in your heads. Well, I'm done with you two. Proceed to call everyone who enjoyed the game a fanboy.

[B.A. Broska]

Thank you for your comments, Divinity could have got GOTY while it has its own problems it was a really unexpected succees,

 

I really need to get around to playing that, got it sitting in my steam library along with Wasteland 2. Think I will start it after I complete my playthrough of Arcanum.

[B.A. Broska]

Even with the qualifier 'as much as possible' there is an expectation that the review would stick, as much as possible, to the facts with it didn't. Huge chunks of it are just his opinion.

 

As I said in previous posts, I would argue that is it pretty much impossible for a review to be totally objective, since much of what makes something good or bad boils down to opinion.

 

I was criticising his review based on the objective that he stated he had in the beginning, which was to stick to the facts.

 

I was not trying to discredit his opinion with my own, I was simply highlighting how elements that he claimed were fact weren't because I had a different opinion on them.

 

In fact, I agree with some of his review. 

 

I've been trying to highlight the difference between a fact and an opinion about that fact by putting forth my own point of view.

 

If you don't agree with something that I wrote, awesome, please tell me what its is and why you don't agree so we can have a discussion about it.

 

That is all I seek to do, dismissing anyone who disagrees as a 'fanboy' is not discussion and posting my own point of view is not seeking to discredit something but seeking to discuss something. 

 

I am not criticising you for arguing against the points in his review by posting your own experiences to counter them, I mean that is what the discussion forum is for and so long as it is done in a civil manner (as you have done for the most part) then it can lead to a very constructive and interesting conversation.

 

I do however feel you are being a little pedantic in your chastising of the OP for not being completely objective. While when writing a review for a larger audience you do want to be as objective as possible to account for a wider range of tastes and opinions it is nearly impossible to be totally objective when reviewing a artistic piece. I don't think OP was calling anyone a fanboy for disagreeing with his review but rather because of the hostility in which the poster expressed his disagreement with his review.

[mutantspicy]

I normally don't read thru such long posts.  But I read yours.  It was thoughtful, well written, and thought provoking.  

 

I agree with a lot of what you wrote.  Some of my thoughts...

 

On the war table

I feel like they missed the boat on this one.  Power should be more important.  It should be used in a way that emphasize troop strength, and so much power is required to complete missions.  Yes that is what they did, but It shouldn't be get this much power and turn off the blinky light.  In fact I would like to see you enter an area and if you don't have enough power or right tactics, then your troops get killed and you lose power.  You then would have to build it back up to higher levels to successfully attack a new region.  Then the forces tree could have more useful elements.  Like troop flanking, battle songs, etc. and as you get new allies like templars or mages or chevaliers your attack goes up and you can have additions troop tactics to win regions. Same goes for influence, maybe Josephines diplomats aren't skilled enough yet, and get jailed for treason.  Then you could have rescue missions, etc. This could totally fix the boringness of the side quests and made them more meaningful.

 

On Combat

This where I mostly disagree.  I felt like DAO was a game that didn't know what it wanted to be.  IMO games like these need to make a choice between turn based combat or action based combat.  DAO with its point and click auto attacking is a turn based mechanic in a MMO game this is just boring to me. You put all this action around me and then I don't get to participate instead you just watch what happens after you click some buttons.  This is fine when its turn based strategy game, but not in an ARPG MMO style game.  In DAI they made the game more real time, real action.  It knows what it is.  It was risky to go this direction, as most players are old school BG2 or NWN guys, who rather have all the tactics and turn based game play.  To me it needs to be one way or the other, so I'm glad they made a choice as opposed to sitting on the fence like they did with DAO. Granted they needed to give us more behavior options with the AI.  I personally don't mind the shift in direction, because I also like a good action game.  And I appreciate the effort to integrate action based combat and RPG elements, (dark souls, etc.)  That said, some of the combat animations and skills are clunky, which hopefully will be addressed in patches.  And for those who don't like gamepads, I completely understand the disdain for the combat.  The keyboard mouse controls are just not fluid and intuitive.  

[B.A. Broska]

Erm...I'm having tons of fun with this game. I feel satisfied, it was worth of my wallet. Why would I feel disappointed about the whole game? Because you want me to?

 

You can be as pleased or as disappointed with the game as you like however in your post you state that Bioware delivered everything they promised, I was merely pointing out some of Bioware's promises, did they deliver on those?

 

And that still qualifies me a fanboy? I've read most of the reviews out there, neither of them presented such pointless complaint that shouldn't mean if the game deserves your money or not. Sure, let's play your game then, you two must be haters for criticizing a well received game then, right? While that is wrong, it may be right in your heads. Well, I'm done with you two. Proceed to call everyone who enjoyed the game a fanboy.

 

 

Kind of, you are free to disagree with the review posted provided you do so in a civil manner, however when you start getting hostile, start deliberately misinterpreting arguments and ignoring evidence and take personal offense to criticisms directed at a game as if they were directed at your sainted mother that is when you start crossing the line into fanboy territory.

[phantomrachie]

I am not criticising you for arguing against the points in his review by posting your own experiences to counter them, I mean that is what the discussion forum is for and so long as it is done in a civil manner (as you have done for the most part) then it can lead to a very constructive and interesting conversation.

 

I do however feel you are being a little pedantic in your chastising of the OP for not being completely objective. While when writing a review for a larger audience you do want to be as objective as possible to account for a wider range of tastes and opinions it is nearly impossible to be totally objective when reviewing a artistic piece. I don't think OP was calling anyone a fanboy for disagreeing with his review but rather because of the hostility in which the poster expressed his disagreement with his review.

 

I would agree that I was being pedantic if the original goal of the review wasn't to be as objective as possible. I was judging the review based on the original goal and the content.

 

I agree that it is pretty much impossible to be totally objective in a review but that was the goal he set for himself.

 

This is probably more important to me than it is for others because I tend to be very goal oriented. If you set out how you are going to do something and then don't do it that way, I start challenging the outcome based on the original goal.

 

But thanks for giving me some insight into why it may not be as important for others. 

 

Also the 'fanboy' insult I was referring to was in the review itself not in a post.

 

It's where he basically says anyone who says removing 'healing' magic was a good idea is a fanboy. 

[Zobert]

Actually he said he would stick to the facts as much as possible, but again are any of us here in a formal debate?  Are we receiving point scores? 

 

No.

 

This forum is called "Feedback and Suggestions".  It was considered a worthy goal to elicit feedback from people who play the game by Bioware.  I've noticed that instead of people saying "I disagree, I like this" it becomes a critique of their grammar, their way of phrasing something, etc.

 

That's just semantics and bullying in a way.  It's trying to control the conversation and steer it away from the meat of the discussion.

 

The review was honest and also an opinion.  When people say "just the facts" or "truth" or "trust" they are using figurative language.  We're not in a court of law.

 

The game has so many awesome qualities and good writing, but there are things it can do better.  I don't want to pay $60 for a buggy game.  If you don't intend to put something out for all consoles, don't.  if you don't want to put something out completed, don't.

[Frenrihr]

I could have bashed the game with no arguments and give it an unfair score like a 0 but that would be stupid because there is some actual good features in the production and i already told them still i got really nice people with comon sense that can see the things for what they are and are not in denial, this game really had the potential to be something else, a patch could fix the combat and the controls i hope they do but sadly the sidequest cant be fixed with patches or i doubt they have the will to do it.

[jojobe71]

In his first statement, at the beginning of his review, he said he was going to try to stick to facts and be objective.

 

Now I would argue that this is very difficult to do in a review, but that was the objective the OP set out for himself so I expected more facts and less opinion.

 

YOU ARE THE MOST ANNOYING PERSON EVER!! This is his review your name is no where on it. I really hate that because it's rude as hell! Do not do this becase it make you look like an azz. You write your own review and leave his thoughts alone. If he asked you for your opinion or rebuttal then that is fine but in this case no one asked you for your opinion.

[phantomrachie]

YOU ARE THE MOST ANNOYING PERSON EVER!! This is his review your name is no where on it. I really hate that because it's rude as hell! Do not do this becase it make you look like an azz. You write your own review and leave his thoughts alone. If he asked you for your opinion or rebuttal then that is fine but in this case no one asked you for your opinion.

 

He wrote his review in an online forum, so that means he wants to share his opinion on the game. Sharing an opinion on something automatically opens the door for others to share their opinion too.

 

As I explained in a previous post, I'm goal oriented so I judge an outcome based on its goal, which is why I got so hung up on the start of the review.

 

However during the course of discussion I released that this was not necessarily how others had taken it.

 

Perhaps we could go back to discussion the review, or the game, instead of making personal attacks. 

[JWR32]

Yeah the Game stresses you with all that side content eevery time you enter a new zone but then you realize how pointless is to do such content.

Sadly that's the truth, 90% of the side content is a worthless grind fest that adds next to nothing to the game and brings down what good content is actually there. 
 

Wow, are we now rating the game because of it's haircuts? Oh gawd. Never gets old.

 
While saying the haircuts are bad is a minor thing and could be brushed off as nitpicking. Personally I think its just one more thing about the game that some people don't enjoy, if the game was more line with what the were told by Bioware/expected/wanted/trusted in Bioware's past/Dragon Ages Legacy then the haircut thing would be a non issue. Right now its just one more issue with the to pile for many people.

If you are not enjoying it why put yourself through it? At 54 hours surely you have enough power to complete the main story quests and it is not like you are missing much by not exploring all the side areas and performing every side quest on offer.

I guess I excepted the game to improve or something don't know really. When I do start playing again I wont be trying to complete everything which personally for me is saying something about how I feel towards DA:I since normally I try to be a completionist when playing a game.
 

I really need to get around to playing that, got it sitting in my steam library along with Wasteland 2. Think I will start it after I complete my playthrough of Arcanum.

Wasteland 2 is fantastic highly recommend it.

[Linkenski]

Bioware has shown too many times that they don't know how to take feedback into consideration and come out with a game that does everything right the last game did, but improve upon everything that didn't work.

 

I was sure DA2 and ME3 were just one-offs back in 2011 and 12, but it seems clear to me now that they're not about to change for the better. I've seen their panels, and the lead designers and such make it sound like Bioware is not about storytelling... it's just something "they have to do" because it's a trademark, but they aggressively try to make their games about the gameplay nowadays and they just suck at it, which is why they should've gone back to Origins style because that's the format that everybody loved.

 

I've been looking a lot into BTS stuff and interviews and research lately and it seems more clear to me than ever before that the reason BIoware has been declining is because all their key talents have been leaving ever since their EA aquisition.

 

So screw EA and perhaps goodbye soon Bioware. If Mass Effect 4 isn't good I won't buy it and if your upcoming IP isn't anything worth writing home about then it's goodbye forever. Not worth my time or money.

[katokires]

Inquisition is so awful that I am playing KOTOR2. No, it is not that KOTOR2 is a bad game, but that I'm having more joy playing KOTOR2 in a 15" notebook screen than playing Inquisition in a 21" 1080p LED screen. I love Inquisition graphics, and never before I had a big screen (usually between 15" and 17"), didn't have 1080p, also didn't have powerful PC. Now I have it all but the game is so awful that it is better to play KOTOR2 in a small screen... yeah.

Inquisition should get all sorts of prizes for being the worst **** bioware ever produced.

[Desaan]

While I don't agree with all your points I do agree with a large portion of them. I still like the game alot and give it a 7.5 out of 10 but it could definately use improvements. Just my personal opinions on this game well the two key things that stand out for me:

 

The Bad:

The quests felt more disjointed and somewhat pointless in this DA game then any other (or similar to DA2) which sometimes made me feel like I was wondering around regions aimlessly.

 

The good:

The best traits in all of biowares games though is always the character development/story. I like having cassandra in the story, solas was always interesting and varric still gives me a good laugh. These characters make the game feel more natural and allowed you to care or form your own opinions of who you liked and who you didnt. This is one thing I hope doesn't change in future games.

 

Either way, I enjoyed the game and it was worth my money. I look forward to whatever expansion or new DA game the bring out next with hopefully more improvements with feedback taken into account. Thanks BW.

 

 

 

 

[DragonAddict]

I just got to the Skyhold Keep and at that point, DA:I starts to finally get interesting.

 

 

Graphics, music and voices are excellent.

 

Cutscenes are very well done and not short.

 

 

Bad:

 

- many items are static eye candy and you can't do anything with them.

- table and chairs but can't sit in a chair

- barrels, but can't look in them

- potted plants but can't move them, maybe something hidden undernearth, key, note, etc.

- oceans, can't swim or dive. You just die and go back to the shores. Could look for chests, ships, crafting materials and fight off nasty fishes. Of course, take off armor so you can swim and you have a breath bar to know how long you can dive.

- can't scale down mountain side without pretty much dying

- many NPC's just not moving, frozen, doing nothing and no interaction

- can't chat and interact with party members

- can't buy gifts for romance or annoy party members

- once a rune is applied, to can't remove it and its permanent

- can't buy a house, mansion, or estate and furnish it and have your sweetie move in and other characters

- can't go in most tents and sleep in them, explore in them.

 

 

I did romance Cassandra and it was very well done.......very nice.

 

The Raw Fade was awesome and same with the Warden epic battles.

 

Warden battle reminds me of "The Two Towers" because its almost identical to the movie.

 

 

PC only froze on me two times over 30+ hours of gameplay and only during cut scenes. Reboot system, play again and fine.

 

 

DA:I is more of a simplified, hack and slash action game for controllers with some RPG elements.

 

 

 

Will continue to play.....and see......