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[SofaJockey]

Yeah, so no the complainants aren't limited to the BSN.

Also don't look down on other by threating as low life being.

 

You are quite correct, looking down on others is not a nice thing to do.

 

Those pond life who share their vile homophobic views on youtube and elsewhere,

are in my opinion an exception to the attitude of respect and tolerance normally afforded

to those with different views to your own.

 

Those who spend their time hating others for who they are attracted to,

are deserving of being disrespected and called out, but as a general principle, you are right.

 

For some reason Joe's youtube vids seen to particularly attract them,

and it is difficult to understand quite why (eg his DAI review).

[arkngt]

Definitely GOTY for me. Even more so: I'd say that it's my favorite game generally since Skyrim and my favorite Bioware game since Baldur's Gate 2.

[xkg]

And as far as GOTY goes, it's all about publishers.  PC Gamer magazine has a GOTY, that is voted on by the editorial staff.  Rarely are they ACTUALLY voted on by fans.  If there is such a place (that elects GOTY by fan votes), I would like to know about it.

 

There are few, one of them and most popular (I think) is Golden Joystick

http://www.computera...ist-of-winners/

[AllThatJazz]

Fortunally, the world doesn't resolve around the BSN :

 

http://www.neogaf.co...ad.php?t=961552

http://www.neogaf.co...ad.php?t=964027

 

Yeah, so no the complainants aren't limited to the BSN.

Also don't look down on other by threating as low life being.

Eh, having read through both of those threads, the titles are kind of worse than the content. Plenty of people in both those threads saying they love the game, even if it isn't perfect. There's also a spoiler thread on GAF, two OTs and a 'show off your Inquisitor' thread, all of which are largely very positive. It's also coming in second at the moment to Bayonetta 2 in the GOTY thread.

 

So while there is criticism elsewhere (and criticism of any game is fair enough), it does seem to me that a fair bit of the negativity is concentrated here. But then this is the BSN, that's hardly new.

 

Edit: Also, DAI has won 12 Readers' Choice GOTY awards so far, including Escapist and a few on Gamespot. It's in the GOTY thread.

[Amplitudelol]

The game is a single player mmo-style grindfest occasionally interrupted by a story mission with stylish controller-optimized gameplay. Absolutely my game of the year. I agree with Angry Joe.

[Matt VT Schlo]

I love Angry Joe - dude cracks me up. Sometimes its a bit much with his antics at the beginning, but at the heart of it, he gives great thoughts on why he did or did not like a game. 

 

Glad DA:I made the top list for him. Bioware gets a lot of flak, but they can make amazing games......Glad DA:I is a return to their top form. 

[Giantdeathrobot]

Funny how it only takes one opinion for Angry Joe to go from a honest reviewer to someone being paid by evil corporations.

 

At this point ''honest reviewer'' on the internet is basically equal to ''reviewer that agrees with me on all points'' for many people.

 

Hell, I personally think one of the most ''honest'' reviewers out there (as in, not affected by marketing hype or their fanbase) is Totalbiscuit, and I disgree with him on loads and loads of points. I still value his opinion because he knows what he's talking about, is consistent, usually does his research and wears his bias on his sleeve.

[Rannik]

Looking at the list it's obvious that he either plays a very small subset of games or has an horrible case of bad taste.

[Aurok]

1) Sure, how not. Yet another "expert" at work. 
 

2) There's neither a reason to ask for auto attack in normal cam (even if it didn't require a major rework of the control scheme there) just because Tac Cam is where you have that input behavior. What's the point on having two control schemes doing exactly the same things and behaving in the same exact way? Ask for Tac Cam to be adjusted and work properly instead. There's no point at all on asking to remake the action control scheme to an hybrid when you have already a full point and click input scheme out of Tac Cam. You just remove a choice that players can have on playing the game as a full action game (especially when using a controller).

 

3) No, the problem of melee shuffle is not only on hitboxes. It does so even on enemies that have flawless hitboxes. The control scheme is simply not done for automatic positioning. If you use a direction key while using a skill this doesn't happen (using a controller the shuffle almost never happens, in fact, just because directioning a skill comes naturally). In Tac Cam this process (of automatic direction when using a skill) is done automatically because the control scheme concept is completely different.
 

 

1) You don't need to be an expert to understand concepts this simple.

 

2) There evidently is. Having to keep switching views to get basic functionality to work because it arbitrarily only works in one view and not in the other is an unnecessarily hassle and kills the flow of the gameplay. There's also no reason why allowing the auto-attack & auto-loot functionality to fire in action view would necessitate the removal of being able to do these things manually. Whatever limitations controllers have is irrelevant as far as the M&K control scheme is concerned.

 

3) The issue you're describing is a pathfinding issue, not specifically a WASD issue. I could plug a controller in, go to tac cam and the AI would still suck at finding and executing a route to the enemy, because the AI pathfinding isn't up to scratch. If it worked as it should in tac cam however then it would also work just as well in action view. There's no fundamental conflict between the player having direct control and having an auto-attack function as you have suggested. It would work just like it does (or would if it worked properly) in tac cam, except it'd be overruled by a manual input from the player.

 

It doesn't work like that simply because they chose for it not to (or more likely didn't want to put the extra effort in for the PC version), not because it couldn't be done like that. I don't think either control scheme is much to shout about, but the PC UI in particular was clearly no more than an afterthought. The arbitrary division of basic functionality between the different views is just one example of that.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Those pond life who share their vile homophobic views on youtube and elsewhere,
are in my opinion an exception to the attitude of respect and tolerance normally afforded
to those with different views to your own.
 
For some reason Joe's youtube vids seen to particularly attract them,
and it is difficult to understand quite why (eg his DAI review).

Pretty much every YT video attracts those kind of hateful fools, & the worse part is their usually the top rated comments alot of the time, honestly makes me speechless when i see a incredibly homophobic/sexist/racist comment that has 100+ thumbs up

[Wolven_Soul]

I like Angry Joe, but I almost always think he is to generous to the games that he reviews, and Inquisition is certainly not game of the year worthy, as I said in his comment section.  

 

I had more fun this year playing Hearthstone and The Evil Within.  I didn't play that many new games this year, got back into playing Wow a little while, but both of those I liked more than I do Inquisition.

[Natureguy85]

You are quite correct, looking down on others is not a nice thing to do.

 

Those pond life who share their vile homophobic views on youtube and elsewhere,

are in my opinion an exception to the attitude of respect and tolerance normally afforded

to those with different views to your own.

 

Those who spend their time hating others for who they are attracted to,

are deserving of being disrespected and called out, but as a general principle, you are right.

 

For some reason Joe's youtube vids seen to particularly attract them,

and it is difficult to understand quite why (eg his DAI review).

 

But other kinds of hate are ok? Dumb people say dumb things, especially on the internet thanks to anonymity.

 

Pretty much every YT video attracts those kind of hateful fools, & the worse part is their usually the top rated comments alot of the time, honestly makes me speechless when i see a incredibly homophobic/sexist/racist comment that has 100+ thumbs up

 

Yeah there are lots of dopes on the internet, but those are also words that are inappropriately attached to things in lieu of thoughtful argument.

[Dabrikishaw]

I agree with Dragon Age: Inquisition being my game of the year.

[LinksOcarina]

Pretty much every YT video attracts those kind of hateful fools, & the worse part is their usually the top rated comments alot of the time, honestly makes me speechless when i see a incredibly homophobic/sexist/racist comment that has 100+ thumbs up

 

Because again, Joe is an opinion leader. People listen to him, and those people come from a lot of different backgrounds. 

[His Majesty Lord Crash]

Joe's opinion is pointless for every PC (or better M/K) gamer since he played the game with a gamepad. That's just a sad fact.

 

And he doesn't care or talk about the lackluster game and world design at all which is pretty sad as well for a self-acclaimed game critic. 

[Rannik]

In normal cam auto attack will not work properly. Try to think about it for a moment and I'm sure you (and the poster of that video) could understand why. It's not for a causality that ALL games that have a control scheme as the one of DA:I in normal cam haven't auto-attack.

 

u wot m8?

 

Dragon Age: Origins

Dragon Age 2

 

There, two examples of perfectly implemented WASD movement with autoattack.

[Realmzmaster]

I find it interesting that when AJ blasted ME3 he was spot on, but because he likes DAI he is now demonized called a sell out or fan boy.  As long as AJ's opinion is inline with that person's opinion he is golden, otherwise he is receiving a check from the developers.

 

As LinksOcarina states AJ is an opinion leader and that scares some people especially if he is liking a game they do not. I do not always agree with AJ, but I respect that it is his opinion.

The point that he played and reviewed a small amount of games (assuming that is the case) can be good. If he is utilizing that time to fully play the game before reviewing that is good. Given that point he or anyone else can only play a certain number of games in the year. So he may have a bias on what games he will play. He definitely mentions that he has not played 2014 Wii games .

 

In the end its his opinion. It is up to his viewers to decide whether to listen to him or not.

[Realmzmaster]

Joe's opinion is pointless for every PC (or better M/K) gamer since he played the game with a gamepad. That's just a sad fact.

 

And he doesn't care or talk about the lackluster game and world design at all which is pretty sad as well for a self-acclaimed game critic. 

 

He plainly states that he used a controller. He also states that he tried using the keyboard and mouse. He also downgraded the PC version do to that problem.

I have played well over 130 hours of DAI with keyboard and mouse. I do not have the problems that others here have stated. But, YMMV.

 

For the record I am playing a DW rogue.

[His Majesty Lord Crash]

He plainly states that he used a controller. He also states that he tried using the keyboard and mouse. He also downgraded the PC version do to that problem.

I have played well over 130 hours of DAI with keyboard and mouse. I do not have the problems that others here have stated. But, YMMV.

 

For the record I am playing a DW rogue.

 

Well, he downgraded the PC version from a 9/10 to an 8/10 while everything he said on the topic indicated that he didn't really play the game for a longer time himself with M/K. Everything he said on the topic sounded more like "PC gamers on the internet complained a lot about the controls on PC so I better downgrade the score here to appease them upfront"...

 

And I have no problem with his personal opinion. If he likes the game a lot good for him. But as a kind of well-known game critic he should cover game design and world design and stuff like that on a deeper level. As a game critic you should understand game design on a professional level. Simply stating what he personally likes is ok for a youtube beginner with 100 subcribers but not for someone like Joe who has been doing video reviews for years and who has more than a million subscribers.

 

Of course you CAN play the game with K/M. Nobody said it's not "functional". But do you really want to tell me that's is good that you can't bind any mouse buttons and that you can't use more than three predefined mouse buttons at all? Is that how you define "proper PC controls", especially for this company and franchise and their PC history? Sure...

[Farangbaa]

I just love how people keep rambling about controller/mouse+keyboard. I love it more how they somehow claim that using a controller somehow makes the game control better.

Because it doesn't. It changes nothing about the tac cam. Targeting with a controller is waaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than with a mouse. Something as simple as taking a potion takes multiple inputs from the player, instead of a singular input on keyboard. Using the map with a controller is just awful. Jump/Action is the same button on a controller. (this will get you an hilarious zombie moonwalk Inquisitor at times though ).

But apparantly all that is better, because you can't point and click your PC to go somewhere with mouse and keyboard.

Ridiculous.

[outlaw1109]

u wot m8?

 

Dragon Age: Origins

Dragon Age 2

 

There, two examples of perfectly implemented WASD movement with autoattack.

False.

His posts are about non-hybrid autoattack.

Both of the previous DA games use hybrids.

I didn't play much DA2 (2 playthroughs), but as to Origins having a "perfectly implemented" system, I think you should search through some of the forum archives (if they exist) and see what the BSN had to say about that...(hint:  shuffling).

[His Majesty Lord Crash]

I just love how people keep rambling about controller/mouse+keyboard. I love it more how they somehow claim that using a controller somehow makes the game control better.

Because it doesn't. It changes nothing about the tac cam. Targeting with a controller is waaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than with a mouse. Something as simple as taking a potion takes multiple inputs from the player, instead of a singular input on keyboard. Using the map with a controller is just awful. Jump/Action is the same button on a controller. (this will get you an hilarious zombie moonwalk Inquisitor at times though ).

But apparantly all that is better, because you can't point and click your PC to go somewhere with mouse and keyboard.

Ridiculous.

 

You miss the point completely. We PC gamers don't care whether the controls work well with a controller or not. Our problem is that the controls on PC are worse than those in both Origins and DA2. So however you put it the experience is worse now and Bioware failed. Maybe the experience was worse on console or with controller before and just stayed the same, I don't know. It's also not important to the PC community. 

 

I may add that I'm not surprised that the controls aren't that well with a controller neither. Party based (tactical) RPGs like DA were never really suited for console/controller gameplay in the first place. We PC gamers are not guilty that console's primary input is limited by design for such a game. But we are angry that our primary control is limited ON PURPOSE (or by plain incompetence)...

[Farangbaa]

You miss the point completely. We PC gamers don't care whether the controls work well with a controller or not. Our problem is that the controls on PC are worse than those in both Origins and DA2. So however you put it the experience is worse now and Bioware failed. Maybe the experience was worse on console or with controller before and just stayed the same, I don't know. It's also not important to the PC community. 

 

I may add that I'm not surprised that the controls aren't that well with a controller neither. Party based (tactical) RPGs like DA were never really suited for console/controller gameplay in the first place. We PC gamers are not guilty that console's primary input is limited by design for such a game. But we are angry that our primary control is limited ON PURPOSE (or by plain incompetence)...

 

Stop trying to talk to me like I haven't owned a PC for the last 25 years. Stop trying to talk to me like I am not playing on a PC.

 

And I am not missing the point here, I know it doesn't control as well as it did in DA:O. That's not what I was commenting about. I'm commenting about people claiming that the game plays better with a controller, which is just not true. Unlike you, most likely, I have the options to use both, so I know perfectly well what I am talking about. Controling the game is remarkably more cumbersome with a controller than with mouse and keyboard.

[Farangbaa]

Allow me to show you two words.

 

Condescension - it's typically inappropriate. You have heaps of it in this post. Stop trying to make yourself look better than His Majesty Lord Crash, or anyone else. It does you, and the point you're trying to prove, a disservice.

 

Subjective - controls. If you prefer keyboard and mouse in Inquisition, that's all well and fine, but don't stamp your feet when someone disagrees with you. They're not wrong, and you aren't, either.

 

Thank you, mr Backseat Moderator.