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[phantomrachie]

I'm sorry, I just realized I expressed myself in a wrong way - UI is bad for me, yes, it's not a fact, but how do you call useless tactical camera that goes into mountains, no auto-attack, companions not listening to their orders, simple tactics? Ah, yes. Gameplay is bad. They said it won't be like that. No need to worry, m&k we keep in mind. Every time you attack you must press a button, every time you want to collect something you must walk towards it, etc. One twitch stream with m&k should have been a warning I guess. But I don't want to argue and come of as bitter - we are all allowed to have our own opinion.

 

Of course we're allowed have our own opinion   I was just trying to point out that many things people are calling 'facts' are in fact 'opinions' 

 

no-auto attack is a fact but whether or not that is a bad thing is an opinion. I'm not a fan of auto-attacks, it makes me feel like that computer is playing my character not me, so no auto attacks is good for me.

 

The tactical camera is extremely useful for more difficult fights, it allows you to get a good overview of the field and form strategies but no so much if they take place in doors.

 

Love DA:I, hate DA:I, or feel something in between, that is your opinion. but (and this is not directed at you) give a reason for your opinion and actively allow debate about it, don't just dismiss anyone who disagrees and in turn call out those who don't give a good enough reason for their opinions.

 

Angry Joe gave his opinion on the game and has given it his GOTY and instead of debating his points, some people on this thread started to attack him personally, that is not a good way to debate.

[Giantdeathrobot]

This new internet era should be named the Opinion Age. A time where people argue by throwing out "OPINION/SUBJECTIVE!!!" whenever they disagree. I wonder what's after!

 

Yeah, because ''my opinion is fact, you fanboys suck'' (seen in this very thread) is so much better.

 

Some people really need to grow a sense of perspective and stop resorting to ridiculous hyperbole.

[Yomond]

What about stuff like a missing walk toggle or cant rebind mouse buttons? that is fairly subjective how much it matters to you is opinion. but I have yet to hear anything positive about the UI the nicest thing I've heard is "Its not bad" damned by faint praise as it where.

 

Also Cookie Monster clearly ate the airplane first so... 

[Vox Draco]

i never mentioned DAO, and ive never been deluded about its flaws. My thoughts on this idiot are not based on this alone, after having watched him embarrass himself countless times in his vids. In the past i thought him sincere, albeit sad and foolish, and watched his vids for the laughs, but now, based on the changes in his tone, its not difficult to deduct.

 

1. Where do you see anyone here suggesting the game should be in the trash-bin?

 

2. People keep saying its a great game, but more flawed than its made out to be, by "professional reviewers", which is true. How do you explain that practically -none- of them mention the absolutely horrendous controls on the pc, something that is inescapably obvious if you attempt to play a melee char?

 

3. How do you explain that none of them mentioned the terrible performance and glitches or how the game hogs up to 70% and higher  of your cpu's resources, and all of your gpu, and a huge portion of your memory? While offering terrible performance on high end rigs?

 

4.Its a great but very flawed game. Games with better graphics, and more demanding specs run far better with far less resource hog

 

Not that I was exclusively reffering to you but, hey, I feel like it now ^^

 

1. In this thread? Or BSN?

2. I for example don't say its agreat game, but its a good game, and better than a lot of people make it to be. And I for once have a blast playing my Rogue and 2-H Warrior with Keyboard and mouse...as I also played effortless (with mouse-sensivity-patch though) Dark Souls 1...

3. I don't know much about technical stuff...I have no game-breaking issues and the performance is okay for me. Not for others? Well, that's PC for you.

4. totally agree. though I personally see the flaws on some other aspects, not the one that seem important to you and others....and this is why in the end judging a game and saying "Its fact as "I" see it". This is basically the major gripe I have with many people here...its BAD and everyone saying its a good game is also bad because "I say so!"

[cotheer]

The fact that the D:OS (you know, the real RPG) "won" the third place and DA:I the first is reason enough, for me, not take him seriously this time around.

[evgenija28]

Of course we're allowed have our own opinion   I was just trying to point out that many things people are calling 'facts' are in fact 'opinions' 

 

no-auto attack is a fact but whether or not that is a bad thing is an opinion. I'm not a fan of auto-attacks, it makes me feel like that computer is playing my character not me, so no auto attacks is good for me.

 

The tactical camera is extremely useful for more difficult fights, it allows you to get a good overview of the field and form strategies but no so much if they take place in doors.

 

Love DA:I, hate DA:I, or feel something in between, that is your opinion. but (and this is not directed at you) give a reason for your opinion and actively allow debate about it, don't just dismiss anyone who disagrees and in turn call out those who don't give a good enough reason for their opinions.

 

Angry Joe gave his opinion on the game and has given it his GOTY and instead of debating his points, some people on this thread started to attack him personally, that is not a good way to debate.

 

Sure we are, we do have different opinions, you and I, and maybe that's good.

Honestly, I don't think that this game is GOTY - that is all. It just isn't the best game that came out this year - whether is factual or not, people are dissapointed and frustrated by some of the game mechanics - for example, I am. I like auto-attack, why click every time you attack? When you use an ability, you direct a different course of action in the fight, auto-attack just fills in the empty space in between - why you would spend clicking the mouse button, is beyond me. You feel like you are in control, okay, then how about we add it in the options menu, gameplay submenu? On-Off. Done deal.

Tactical camera. Well, I played on PC, it is just awful. When it starts it is too close to the ground for me. It has to be above more so I can actually scan/see the battlefield. Mouse doesn't move it, buttons do - that makes sense for a controller. And there are other things - auto-center on the character you select, which means more moving around, going into the mountains and houses, etc. Yes, it can be patched, but if it needs to be patched - that is a minus for me. Game just came out, you have to patch such an important part? Come on.

Angry Joe gave his opinion, yes, he is entitled to it, I personally disagree with him - I don't think, I repeat myself, that this game is bad, I love the characters, I personally adore Dorian, Cullen, I like the story, there are many beautiful things and moments in this game, but it just doesn't earn no.1 place for me. When you rate the game you rate on all the platforms, prev-gen, next-gen, PC, you rate graphics, gameplay, UI, voice acting, etc. Many things. How does it play on different systems. So many things are important, and naming a game no.1 when it clearly has issues is not fair to many other games to me.

[dreamgazer]

Pointless to argue with fanboys.

Looks like this logic also applies to conversations with Origins "fanboys".

[phantomrachie]

Sure we are, we do have different opinions, you and I, and maybe that's good.

Honestly, I don't think that this game is GOTY - that is all. It just isn't the best game that came out this year - whether is factual or not, people are dissapointed and frustrated by some of the game mechanics - for example, I am. I like auto-attack, why click every time you attack? When you use an ability, you direct a different course of action in the fight, auto-attack just fills in the empty space in between - why you would spend clicking the mouse button, is beyond me. You feel like you are in control, okay, then how about we add it in the options menu, gameplay submenu? On-Off. Done deal.

Tactical camera. Well, I played on PC, it is just awful. When it starts it is too close to the ground for me. It has to be above more so I can actually scan/see the battlefield. Mouse doesn't move it, buttons do - that makes sense for a controller. And there are other things - auto-center on the character you select, which means more moving around, going into the mountains and houses, etc. Yes, it can be patched, but if it needs to be patched - that is a minus for me. Game just came out, you have to patch such an important part? Come on.

Angry Joe gave his opinion, yes, he is entitled to it, I personally disagree with him - I don't think, I repeat myself, that this game is bad, I love the characters, I personally adore Dorian, Cullen, I like the story, there are many beautiful things and moments in this game, but it just doesn't earn no.1 place for me. When you rate the game you rate on all the platforms, prev-gen, next-gen, PC, you rate graphics, gameplay, UI, voice acting, etc. Many things. How does it play on different systems. So many things are important, and naming a game no.1 when it clearly has issues is not fair to many other games to me.

 

I'd like to say that the second half of my post was directed that those who attacked people rather than their points and who stated their opinion as fact.

 

DA:I is in my top 3 games of the year and I've only played it on the PC and PS4, should I not be allowed to put it in my top 3 because I haven't played it on other systems? Should people on YouTube not be allowed to do the same because they haven't played it on all systems, should people only allowed vote in a players choice award if they've played it on all the systems?

 

I ask these questions because DA:I has won more than one GOTY.

 

We've both played it on PC and come away with different opinions.

 

I think the tactical camera is at the perfect height outdoors, I don't like it when the camera is too high, I feel like I'm too far away from the action, like I can't see the fighting properly, even in Isometric games I tend to lower the camera if I can (a feature in Wasteland 2, that I really like).

 

As for your toggle suggestion, if BioWare put a toggle in for everything that people wanted a toggle for, than the first hour of the game would be spent toggling on or off all the different features of the game.

 

Anyway, I get why you don't agree with Angry Joe and I appreciate the fact that you have outlined what you don't like in your OP and expanded on it in further posts. 

 

I hope you understand where I'm coming from and why I'm trying to stress, on this thread, the difference between a fact about the game and an opinion on it.

[SomeUsername]

Yeah, because ''my opinion is fact, you fanboys suck'' (seen in this very thread) is so much better.

 

Some people really need to grow a sense of perspective and stop resorting to ridiculous hyperbole.

Whichever one, nobody is achieving anything either way. Its almost impossible to convince internet people. After all, its normal for humans to favor their own thoughts. In one of the cases here for example, its reasonable to say that auto-attack is better for a Dragon Age game considering it was part of the first game which was pretty successful.  Opinions can come out of everything, I can say that in my opinion mud tastes better than any kind of food, but people will disagree. Just like, if I say that the protagonists in Inquisition showed more backstory than the ones in Origins, its kind of obvious that it didn't. I won't debate whether its better that it did or did not but the fact is that a whole 30 min dedicated to the backstory compared to a paragraph clearly shows which one has more backstory. It gets more complicated with things such as story length, or story quality, or the better characters, but my whole point being is that when someone states a thing that tends to lean on the "fact" side, you can't just throw the "opinion, therefore it is false" thing at them. What you said isn't any better either, but neither is this where people do not care about a statement as long as it is an opinion against theirs.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

It was pretty amusing. The first thing that happened was the professional reviews came out, and all the flamers started pointing to the user score of Metacritic and saying the people's opinion was all that mattered. Then it became apparent, through other sites on the web and the vast number of Reader's Choice GOTY awards it was winning, that the majority of people had a very high opinion of Inquisition and Metacritic was an anomaly, and so they said they pay attention to Youtube gamers. Now Angry Joe has called Inquisition his GOTY...

Is not really surprising, is just weird that so many people who just seem to hate EA & BW hangout on their forums saying their games suck while being insulting to people who dare to enjoy the game & if you enjoy anything other then BG, DA:O & ME1 it makes you an easily impressed biodrone to them

[Eledran]

Despite having quite a few issues with the game, it's still a solid 8/10 for me as well. As 2014 was sort of a weak year, at least for major releases, its high position isn't misplaced imo.

 

I like most of his list, but think that Endless Legend should be higher up there while Shadow of Mordor should be banned from all top 10's in favour of some indie material.

 

I really didn't see the appeal in that game, yes it had ONE good and decent mechanic in the Nemesis system (though pointless due to faceroll difficulty). But otherwise ****** poor characters, environments, variety and everything else. Except the combat, which was fairly enjoyable but nothing amazing either.

[dsl08002]

Not a surprise given the game year this has been. A lot of overhype and disapointment.

Cant wait to see that list.

[DooomCookie]

Seems to be the general consensus.  Obviously VGA's the big one, but a lot of publications and websites have been picking DA:I as well.  Some dude's been compiling the GotY picks here and DA:I's running away with it.  http://gotypicks.blogspot.co.nz/

[Deebo305]

Angry Joe is either a fanboy of Bioware or he is being paid, he likes to say how he made a "mistake" with DA2 score yet he REPEATED that "mistake" in his DA:I review.

Check my signature btw.

I love how this is general answer for someone on the internet having a different opinion from your own, please explain to me where you people find footage of reviewers receiving these fat bags of money

Seriously every time I see this I can't help but laugh, also much like he said before DA2 was not horrendous or even as bad as some people mind overexaggerate it to be

[General TSAR]

Since AJ picked up the lance and white armor for the charlatan his opinion should be taken with a truckload of salt. 

[SofaJockey]

too many things to do in areas - like collecting shards, mosaics and such. 

 

Collecting shards and mosaics is optional.

Don't like?

Don't collect.

 

People don't pick every flower and pick up every cabbage and piece of cheese in Skyrim.

I've not heard Skyrim being criticised for having too many barrels of apples...

[teks]

Hah, well her pc is very well mantained, drivers are updated, no malware, anti malware and antivirus software is a must, and if our pcs are that crappy then how come other games don't cause that and are with the same requirements? And I said, it's not that often, it happens. It's not something I would personally hold it against this game, if it is not that often - I can live with it. There are other things wrong with this game - for example, and I've recently tuned into a thread specifically about that - xbox360 and ps3 versions have loads of problems. GOTY award is not for a game that is good but has glitches (no worries, patches are there!) but for a game that since its launch delivered what it promised. And I see there are promises not kept.

Because this game has higher requirements on the processor most likely, which is causing a battleneck in your PC. Not all games are created equally. Those giant areas this game has come at the expense of CPU power, while games without those big areas can safely rely on the GPU. If you post what the PC is I can tell whats wrong for you. If the PC is pre-built there is probably a serious bottleneck caused by the hardware somewhere. Computer companies are terrible at making a good gaming computer. Its a shame really.

But before hardware, I would look into the overheating. This game puts a heavy load on the CPU, and the processor will throttle when this happens. If its a laptop this may be unavoidable.

 

Anyway,I said your PC is crappy because mine is a $300 desktop I built with a cheap processor and no graphics card, but to be fair, I built the computer really well so its performance is higher then normal. If my computer can handle this game, other gaming computers should have no issues. The only problems I have besides the occasional crash, is the sound getting out of sync when I enter a new area. Considering how cheap my computer is, I'm not too worried.

 

All new games have glitches and bugs at release. Ideally they wouldn't but this has been common practice for all games for about a decade now, because it costs too much money to beta test for an additional 4 months when players will do it for free. Just name a bug free game at release, please.

[phantomrachie]

Since AJ picked up the lance and white armor for the charlatan his opinion should be taken with a truckload of salt. 

 

I'm almost afraid to ask, but who are you talking about?

[SofaJockey]

AJ, however, has had me generally suspicious of his reviews ever since DA2.  Even though he had apologized...trust is like a vase:  once broken, you can fix it, but it will never be the same.

 

I thought AJs review of DA2 was fair (7/10).

 

If you can look past the same cave, house and dungeon, the characters and story are good, just quite limited.

 

It's pretty clear that Joe likes the fantasy/RPG game genre.

That could well be worth an extra 1/10 compared to your average reviewer.

 

That doesn't mean he's a fanboy and suggestions that EA must be handing out bags of cash to get a positive comment are just idiocy.

[Shark17676]

I like how anyone who likes the game is a 'fanboy' or getting paid, were as anyone who hates it is obviously correct in their assessment.

 

The 'everyone is allowed an opinion as long as it agrees with mine' mentality that is so prevalent on the internet. 

 

May I propose an alternative theory? 

 

Many people liked the things you don't like about the game, many people don't like the things you like, this doesn't make them wrong. It just means they have a different opinion.

 

There are not enough likes for this.

 

THANK YOU.

[NedPepper]

All I can think of is that it's a weak year for games in general.  Do I think DA:I is game of the year material?  No.  It's probably my least favorite Bioware game.  And I'm not alone in that thought,  I actually know a lot of people personally who bought this game who have never played a Dragon Age game before.  They really like it. They get to travel maps and kill things and don't care about story or crappy side quests. The people I know who love Dragon Age  keep calling me with a laundry list of complaints and how it doesn't FEEL like a Bioware game and want my take on it.  (Not all that different.)

So congratulations to Bioware for finally gaining acceptance to the Angry Joes of the world.  You got your mainstream Skyrim audience to like your game.  But your hardcore fanbase seems utterly divided.  

And I have to say, I'm not exactly looking forward to Mass Effect 4 after this.  I imagine it's going to be an entire game of exploring pretty but vapid words with no plot in the Mako.   It's a worrying sign. And maybe the first sign that I'm no longer in the Bioware's target audience.

Thank God for Telltale.  

[CronoDragoon]

And I have to say, I'm not exactly looking forward to Mass Effect 4 after this.  I imagine it's going to be an entire game of exploring pretty but vapid words with no plot in the Mako.   It's a worrying sign. 

 

They already made that game once.

[teks]

So congratulations to Bioware for finally gaining acceptance to the Angry Joes of the world.  You got your mainstream Skyrim audience to like your game.  But your hardcore fanbase seems utterly divided.  

If they were hardcore fans, they wouldn't be divided. If they are then they weren't hardcore fans.

[hwlrmnky]

The odd thing for me is that a reviewer would later bow down to what I assume must've been a lot of angry feedback (no pun intended) and "apologized" for the way he'd scored DA2. 
 
The way we feel about is a game is v. subjective. It may have tons of issues, and there'll still be fans. So if he liked it the first time around, why change his mind later?

Perspective can change over time. Maybe he found himself reflecting on certain gameplay moments fondly. Maybe he's played a bunch of games since DA2 that he hated much, much more and it's coloring his sentiments. It could be many things. This is a man who markets himself as "Angry Joe" not "Carefully Thoughtful Joe," after all.

[teks]

Maybe its because he thinks the game is good? Is that still a possibility?

 

Yeah, after playing a game for 300 hours, people change their minds and say the game sucked. Problem is, their word at this point holds no merit because their criticism is clearly contradicting their own behaviour. Clearly the game is great if you play it for 300 hours, and later on its not that you think the game sucks, its that you already played the crap out of it.