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[frylock23]

Part of the problem is that BioWare aims to please, and we fans have gotten both entitled and greedy. Everyone wants both representation for their own little group and choice within that group.

 

Now, I'm not saying that people shouldn't feel included or want to be included with a character of their particular preference available to either be romanced or even just be there, but every game it adds to the resources that have to be taken up and it adds to the angry and demanding voices when one group or another feels left out or slighted or doesn't feel that their choice was as good or awesome or the one they wanted to be their group's romance, etc. And BioWare puts more and more work into trying to make everyone happy to avoid our displeasure and it takes away from the core of the game over time.

[Br3admax]

They're hardly any actual romance content in this game. As others are saying, it's just misrepresented here.

[zestalyn]

Even if the main story was more complex and garnered more topics of discussion, romance will always make popular threads. It's just more fun talk about them, through endless pages of eye candy pictures and everyone  going ooh, ahh, so hot, so awesome, etc etc 

[Nyctyris]

Meanwhile I hate this. Makes me unable to romance the love interests involved since it feels like I'm breaking them up. The only exception is Josephine and Rainier both because nothing happens between them and Rainier is...well, Rainier. 

 

Hrm, I always thought of it as a kind of alternate reality. My Hawke could look like or behave in any number of ways... I guess in my head I just see such alternatives as those characters also being variant versions of themselves.

 

Plus I really dislike the implication that everyone your char meets is basically asexual until or unless you come along... 

[Nyctyris]

Part of the problem is that BioWare aims to please, and we fans have gotten both entitled and greedy. Everyone wants both representation for their own little group and choice within that group.

 

Now, I'm not saying that people shouldn't feel included or want to be included with a character of their particular preference available to either be romanced or even just be there, but every game it adds to the resources that have to be taken up and it adds to the angry and demanding voices when one group or another feels left out or slighted or doesn't feel that their choice was as good or awesome or the one they wanted to be their group's romance, etc. And BioWare puts more and more work into trying to make everyone happy to avoid our displeasure and it takes away from the core of the game over time.

 

Pft. There's nothing you can say that will convince me it was anything but a good idea to move away from Anomen-esque characters 

[crimzontearz]

Yeah, I don't like it either. Maybe it's just me, but the ever-increasing romance-focus seems to come at the cost of both main story and platonic relationships, which does bother me. And some fans seem to pretty much only care for characters in terms of bedding them. It's not enough for a character to be well-written and funny or deep, s/he must be a "love interest", deserves to be a "love interest", or else the devs clearly and spitefully deprive people of their Twoo Wuv. Hyperbole? Maybe. But not much, in some cases.

*shrug* Not saying I'm not as biased as everyone else. I'm asexual, and I want platonic bonds just as sexuals want sex. Many gay and bi people are starved for any positive depiction of people like them, and I very much empathize with that. I just wish there was more of an appreciation for the characters themselves and less of a myopic romance-obsession and fewer demands for ever more dating sim content. Sometimes I skim over a thread for one of the "love interest" characters because I like many of them and wouldn't mind discussing them, but I'd feel out of place among all the gushing.

what "exactly" is wrong with 1: choosing not to romance anyone in your playthrough and keeping all the relationships platonic like say with Vivienne....and 2: discussing in the appreciacion threads but not about the romantic part ( like I do say with Cassandra)

Wh ile at the same time not trying to tell others WHAT they should or should not OPTIONALLY appreciate/enjoy most out of a character?

[SlottsMachine]

I think Bioware did a much better job with the romances in Inquisition than in previous games. To me the romances don't hinder the plot per se, more so if anything is being hindered its the characters themselves because it really seems that we prefer quantity over quality with everyone wanting a romance catered towards them personally or just having so many romances in general. But as I said before I think Bioware did a much better job with all that in Inquisition than in previous titles. 

 

Also, as a random nitpick. What's with the lack of capes in DA. Capes make everyone look at least 10x more badass. I would totally buy cape DLC. I want my Warrior to look like Guts. 

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Absolutely not. We've gotten less one-on-one time with the companions this time, whether romantic or platonic. What affected the story is the emphasis on "exploration."

[Kuvira]

A pretty intricate part of the 'chosen one' trope is saving the world and getting the girl. I don't think romances are any more or less part of the 'story' than killing 1k darkspawn (hey achievement!). Humanizes the character, and whatnots.

 

I think 'romance' makes a lot more people uncomfortable than a random array of hot npcs that they wink at and...cuscene. Because magical suaveness.

 

Discussing romances is probably a lot easier because there's not a bunch of people ready to crash down on you about what is or is not 'cannon'. Ain't nobody going to do research on whether it's accurate for Cullen to take you on his wartable (hygiene!).

[LolaLei]

I'd say if anything the more open world style has put all the story elements (both main, side and companion/advisor) on the back seat.

[Precursor Meta]

I was more interested in romancing and doing my companion's personal quest that finishing the main story.

I believe that is both a good and a bad thing.

[Elsariel]

I don't think romance alone is selling the game, though. If it were, those Japanese style chat up games would be a heck of a lot more popular than they are.

These Japanese style romance Sims (the ones for girls) are a guilty pleasure of mine. I can tell you that they are completely shallow and lack the depth and emotion that Bioware games have. I think THAT'S the reason why they're not so popular.

[Deanna]

I felt the same at some point. Why are the romances idolized in DA? They're great, deep, and well done.

At one point I did a PT in origins and DA2 with no romances, thinking "lets go back to the days when games had no romance and was still fun and great"...yea that was dull and boring and was stuck wishing I did pursue a romance.

That said I only feel that way with DA. I can easily do a PT in ME without pursuing a romance and not regret it, cuz in ME the mission seemed way too important for love to get mixed in. But with DA, yes the story and lore on its own is epic but the romances enrich the story.

The romance in DA has gotten to the point by the time DA2 was released I was scoping out my LIs as I recruited my companions and by the time inquisition came along I knew who I wanted to romance before it was even in my Xbox. I think it is simply something people have come to love and look forward to just as much as playing the story and slowly getting all those wtf plot reveals that's how I feel about it anyway.

[vertigomez]

I don't think fans getting squealy over romances is ever going to detrimentally affect how the devs write the story, tbh.

[Ryzaki]

These Japanese style romance Sims (the ones for girls) are a guilty pleasure of mine. I can tell you that they are completely shallow and lack the depth and emotion that Bioware games have. I think THAT'S the reason why they're not so popular.

 

Eh I'd say something like Scarlet Fate or Hakuoki is on par with BW in terms of relationship development.

 

Some of them can be shallow but that's not the rule for all of em.

[katerinafm]

Not really. Romance content takes, what? Half an hour at best while the rest of the game is hundreds of hours long. But it does give flavor for the players that enjoy them. It adds replayability, helps with roleplaying, etc.

[leadintea]

Yeah, I don't like it either. Maybe it's just me, but the ever-increasing romance-focus seems to come at the cost of both main story and platonic relationships, which does bother me. And some fans seem to pretty much only care for characters in terms of bedding them. It's not enough for a character to be well-written and funny or deep, s/he must be a "love interest", deserves to be a "love interest", or else the devs clearly and spitefully deprive people of their Twoo Wuv. Hyperbole? Maybe. But not much, in some cases.

 

*shrug* Not saying I'm not as biased as everyone else. I'm asexual, and I want platonic bonds just as sexuals want sex. Many gay and bi people are starved for any positive depiction of people like them, and I very much empathize with that. I just wish there was more of an appreciation for the characters themselves and less of a myopic romance-obsession and fewer demands for ever more dating sim content. Sometimes I skim over a thread for one of the "love interest" characters because I like many of them and wouldn't mind discussing them, but I'd feel out of place among all the gushing.

 

Ugh, tell me about it. I barely look at character threads because they tend to be all about the character's romance and their sexy time while discussing very little about the actual characters themselves. And I wholeheartedly agree that many of us LGBTs are far too concerned about the sexuality of the character than the characters themselves. If you were here right after the romanceable companions list got revealed, you'd remember that there was a sh*tstorm regarding us LGBT players wanting more romances than straight male gamers just because we got shafted (no pun intended) in the past and wanting compensation for that. It felt like for many LGBTs, the romances were more of a numbers game to them rather than genuine interest in the character (Solas in particular) and it was just a really disheartening thing to witness.

 

But to get back to the topic, do I think that romances overshadowed the story? No, they absolutely did not. If anything, romances felt kinda short and very uninvolved in the main story, with the exception of Solas', of course. The general progression for a romance was basically to do a character's Inner Circle quest, begin a romance, get them a gift, and bed them. That was it. They didn't take anything away from the plot, and in fact, enhanced it a bit - such as the dance in WHWE and the ending balcony scene. In fact, I felt that the game could have had romances be a little bit more involved in the plot, and I'm not the biggest fan of them in the first place. So yeah, you're probably just focusing too much on the BSN's obsession with romances, TC, not what's actually in the game.

[Nefla]

I think a big part of why romances are more discussed than plotlines is that 1) A plotline doesn't leave that much room for interpretation ex: Corypheus attacks Haven, you defend it through a cool sequence, survive and find Skyhold and become inquisitor. That whole sequence was amazing to me, but beyond the initial "I liked this about it" there isn't that much to talk about and keep you coming back for more discussion. A character (and by extension their romance) can be interpreted in many ways. Their motivations, emotions, personality, etc...may all come off different to different people and 2) A character drives a story and starts the gears of imagination turning. A cool character will inspire you to think "wouldn't it be awesome if they did this, or had this happen to them in the past, or went on this adventure?"

[Steelcan]

bloody romances

 

the first question I see when a new character is announced isn't "what's their motivation", "will they contribute meaningfully to the story's conflicts", or "why was this character created for this story?"

 

its "can I bump uglies with this character, yes or why not?"

[_Lucinia]

Ugh, tell me about it. I barely look at character threads because they tend to be all about the character's romance and their sexy time while discussing very little about the actual characters themselves. 

Just wanted to pop in and say that this isn't always the case with the Solas thread.  Yes we do gush, and cry.  But there's a lot of theories and things like that, that are discussed as well.  Plus we're all pretty friendly .

[leadintea]

Just wanted to pop in and say that this isn't always the case with the Solas thread.  Yes we do gush, and cry.  But there's a lot of theories and things like that, that are discussed as well.  Plus we're all pretty friendly .

 

I'm sure y'all are nice and all, but if I want to read theories about Solas, I'll go to one of the many threads discussing him in the Scuttlebutt section with the added benefit of not having a constant break in discussions to talk about how nice his butt is or w/e it is you guys talk about in there.

[Fredward]

Are you asking whether they get disproportionate attention from the fanbase here? If so; quite possibly. But who cares? Preferences and such and it's not like other aspects do not get discussed or are discouraged they are just not discussed as often. If you're asking whether, in game, the romances take away from the main story? I'd have to say no. They really are side-content. I found myself wishing there was more to them quite often.

[AWTEW]

Romance can add to the plot, in a good way aka Solas.

But I can see where cheechi is coming from. 8 romances was too much IMO. But then again Solas and Cass

[Panda]

Romances to me are big part of building my character in the story so that's why I find it very important. It also makes me feel I'm not alone in the story unlike I feel like in many other games. Of cource companions with party banter and who react stuff I do help this a lot too but romance still feels something more personal.

 

Actually story is discussed a lot too but it's divided in hundreds small parts. It's found in discussion of theories, Architect, different gods, in  complains about it, in threads asking about lore, in debates about mages and templars, in questions who did players support etc.

[LaughingBanana]

Well, it's not that hard to overshadow something if that something has a guy like Corypheus acting as the main villain.

 

Because seriously, that guy is so lame in DA:I that everything that he touches gets down a peg by his lameness. It's hard to be invested in a main quest with a villain with that level of utter lameness.