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[hellbiter88]

it gets explained.

 

uh huh. Every single vein is corrupted? The dwarves seem to still have it. Yet it's still red in deep roads. weird.

[Ogillardetta]

Just because you're winning doesn't mean you should back off. It's likely that they felt that they could end the threat that much sooner with the risk of red lyrium.

They don't need to back of just continue doing what they where doing. No need to try lyrium that ooze evil.

[leaguer of one]

Just realized made envy and the seekers sound like drug dealers

More like the chantry.

[leaguer of one]

uh huh. Every single vein is corrupted? The dwarves seem to still have it. Yet it's still red in deep roads. weird.

We never going into the deep roads in dai.

[The Baconer]

It makes them more able to fight the evils of mages at a moderate cost to themselves.

 

If anything, that makes it more tragically heroic.

 

Red Lyrium is magical evil. At best, it makes them tragically hypocritical, considering the parallels to blood magic.

 

 

Considering the timeline, wouldn't that have happened while the templars were under Cullen's command? 

 

Perhaps. Wouldn't be surprised either way.

[Red Panda]

you don't understand the concept of pyrrhic victories. In a war with a side that uses red lyrium, no one wins.

A Pyrrhic victory is still a valid victory.

[hellbiter88]

We never going into the deep roads in dai.

 

We graze the deep roads in several areas

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Exactly and, if so, why doesn't Cullen tell us about it or, was Cullen only commanding the templars that went against Meredith and those loyal to her were a separate unit and, since it was there (in the form of Meredith at first) they took the free lyrium. If it was all of them and, Cullen didn't stop taking lyrium until he joined Cassandra - did he take any red lyrium?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

it's been 5 years from the 9:37. 

 

But doesn't Hawke disappear somewhere before 9:42 regardless of ending? And Cullen only gave up his position as knight-commander of the city and left with Cassandra in 9:42? Meaning the Kirkwall templars had to begin using red lyrium while under Cullen's command.

[Ashagar]

Given that you could have brought Samson back into the order in DA2, he could have met up with Corypheus by then and begin the corruption of the order.

[Red Panda]

But doesn't Hawke disappear somewhere before 9:42 regardless of ending? And Cullen only gave up his position as knight-commander of the city and left with Cassandra in 9:42? Meaning the Kirkwall templars had to begin using red lyrium while under Cullen's command.

Cullen cannot monitor every templar.

[In Exile]

They mindlessly followed orders. It's why IMO disbanding them is a necessary outcome regardless of your sympathy.

[AntiChri5]

They mindlessly followed orders.

What else can realistically be expected of them? Those in regular military organisations are too prone to mindlessly following orders, add in them being addicted to a rare substance that they can't stop taking without horrific (and potentially fatal) withdrawal......

 

The Templars were fucked from the outset.

[Draining Dragon]

I think you mean "exceptional individuals."

[leaguer of one]

A Pyrrhic victory is still a valid victory.

No it's not.  it's a victory no one wins.

[leaguer of one]

They mindlessly followed orders. It's why IMO disbanding them is a necessary outcome regardless of your sympathy.

Can you blame them?  the chantry made them addicted to lyrium so they would blindly fallow orders and not back talk. Anyone who would say any thing are sent to the street to become beggers.

the problem is the chantry, not the templers.

[Bigdoser]

Can you blame them?  the chantry made them addicted to lyrium so they would blindly fallow orders and not back talk. Anyone who would say any thing are sent to the street to become beggers.

the problem is the chantry, not the templers.

Hence samson whole deal that everyone uses templars the chantry etc and then throws them aside when they are no longer useful I expect that there are many templars in the world like samson stuck on streets dealing with the withdrawal honestly I hate the guy but pity him as well. 

[leaguer of one]

We graze the deep roads in several areas

We gravzed but we did not go very deep.

[leaguer of one]

Hence samson whole deal that everyone uses templars the chantry etc and then throws them aside when they are no longer useful I expect that there are many templars in the world like samson stuck on streets dealing with the withdrawal honestly I hate the guy but pity him as well. 

One look at Cullen story and it all snapped together for me. Then came speculation time when one of the options was being a templer....thanks but no thanks.

[leaguer of one]

A Pyrrhic victory is still a valid victory.

no it's not. no one wins.

[Bigdoser]

One look at Cullen story and it all snapped together for me. Then came speculation time when one of the options was being a templer....thanks but no thanks.

Yup I recall during the judgement he says something to the effect that he did this so templars is that they can die on their feet or something like that. Hell after samson's judgement I kept wondering were red templars really THAT crazy or they are simply used broken group lashing out at the world and cory gave samson and the red templars the means to do it. Or hell it might be a bit of both. 

 

Honestly cullen's group is one lucky bunch. 

[NotBeouwulf]

no it's not. no one wins.

That is called a draw. A Pyhrric victory means one side won but at a great cost, usually losing more forces than their enemy. An example may be the British Victory at Bunker Hill or the Persian victory at Thermopolaye against the oppressive, slave owning (and abusing) Spartans.

[Gaz83]

since its a military organisation you don't question small things such as that. 

 

Ah, the old "just following orders" routine.

 

Doesn't cut it in the real world, and doesn't cut it in game.

 

The Templars made a huge mistake. Whether you choose to forgive it or not is down up to you.

[Draining Dragon]

Ah, the old "just following orders" routine.
 
Doesn't cut it in the real world, and doesn't cut it in game.

Did you just imply that drinking magic cranberry juice is the equivalent of participating in genocide?

[AshenEndymion]

Ah, the old "just following orders" routine.

 

Doesn't cut it in the real world, and doesn't cut it in game.

 

Know what else doesn't work in the real world?  Being a part of a military organization and saying "no" to orders without either: a-the support of everyone present; or b-the ability to murder your way out of the area.

 

Funnily enough, those "rules" tend to apply to games too, because it's the player who usually says "no", and they're usually capable of b...