Know what else doesn't work in the real world? Being a part of a military organization and saying "no" to orders without either: a-the support of everyone present; or b-the ability to murder your way out of the area.
Funnily enough, those "rules" tend to apply to games too, because it's the player who usually says "no", and they're usually capable of b...
Did you just imply that drinking magic cranberry juice is the equivalent of participating in genocide?
Why would one have to imply when said cranberry juice literally turns you into a raging murderer?
Know what else doesn't work in the real world? Being a part of a military organization and saying "no" to orders without either: a-the support of everyone present; or b-the ability to murder your way out of the area.
How does that explain all the Templars who did just that?
Ah, the old "just following orders" routine.
Doesn't cut it in the real world, and doesn't cut it in game.
The Templars made a huge mistake. Whether you choose to forgive it or not is down up to you.
You have no idea what your talking about.
How does that explain all the Templars who did just that?
you mean the one who were killed or the one who were helped with the back up of the inquisition?
How does that explain all the Templars who did just that?
Last I checked, unless the Inquisitor showed up, those Templars are dead...
Which just proves the point. Those Templars said "no", couldn't murder their way out of Therinfall Redoubt, and thus their "no" only matters if you believe their souls make it to the Maker's side... But I'm sure those in Haven are really appreciative of those dissenters while the Red Templars are attacking(/sarcasm)...
you mean the one who were killed or the one who were helped with the back up of the inquisition?
The ones who abandoned the Order, including the ones who joined up with the Inquisition at the beginning, the ones who simply skipped town, and the ones who went completely rogue in the Hinterlands.
The ones who abandoned the Order, including the ones who joined up with the Inquisition at the beginning, the ones who simply skipped town, and the ones who went completely rogue in the Hinterlands.
mixing pot of different beliefs.
Last I checked, unless the Inquisitor showed up, those Templars are dead...
Which just proves the point. Those Templars said "no", couldn't murder their way out of Therinfall Redoubt, and thus their "no" only matters if you believe their souls make it to the Maker's side... But I'm sure those in Haven are really appreciative of those dissenters while the Red Templars are attacking(/sarcasm)...
Which is the result of their poor decision to go to Therinfal in the first place, following the command of a treasonous psychopath.
mixing pot of different beliefs.
Whooooosh
And what would you blame the murder of the knight-vigilant, the nominal leader of the entire order on then?
Whooooosh
It is. listen to any of the templers who join the inquisition before dealing with the rebal templers and the templers still with the order.
And what would you blame the murder of the knight-vigilant, the nominal leader of the entire order on then?
That the Knight Vigilant would defer to the authority of a treasonous psychopath and order his men to Therinfal? The demon-hunting Templars who are unable to sniff out that they're literally taking order from a demon? The corrupt Templars who were implicit in the spread of red Lyrium and murdering the Knight-Vigilant?
It is. listen to any of the templers who join the inquisition before dealing with the rebal templers and the templers still with the order.
Whooooooooooooossssshhh
A Pyrrhic victory is still a valid victory.
No it's not. it's a victory no one wins.
no it's not. no one wins.
That is called a draw. A Pyhrric victory means one side won but at a great cost, usually losing more forces than their enemy. An example may be the British Victory at Bunker Hill or the Persian victory at Thermopolaye against the oppressive, slave owning (and abusing) Spartans.
Its a Pyrrhic Victory in that the Templars would eventually defeat the mages, but at such cost that when next the mages rose up, there wouldn't be enough Templars to counter them.
Also, the fact that the Red Templars are giving the normal templars enough of a bad name that people won't follow/believe in them anymore.
As such, no one wins.
uh huh. Every single vein is corrupted? The dwarves seem to still have it. Yet it's still red in deep roads. weird.
Uh...because red lyrium is lyrium tainted by the blight? That thing that likes to spread.
And what's in the deep roads?
Know what else doesn't work in the real world? Being a part of a military organization and saying "no" to orders
This part I agree with the rest is kinda wrong. x)
Ah, the old "just following orders" routine.
Doesn't cut it in the real world, and doesn't cut it in game.
The Templars made a huge mistake. Whether you choose to forgive it or not is down up to you.
While I agree that you should question questionable orders but remeber that lyrium gets rationed and is addictive. Sure you can stop taking lyrium but the withdrawal is going to be a ******.
Did you just imply that drinking magic cranberry juice is the equivalent of participating in genocide?
What? Hell no! I'm not the best of citizens, but I never break Godwin's law.
There are numerous instances where blinding following instructions of an authority figure is a bad idea, on large and small scales.
In regards to the Templars - and the Wardens, too - I think blinding following orders without questioning them was a huge mistake. There were some descenting voices, but none were unified. I chose to recruit both groups on my cannon playthrough, by the way. I see what they did as completely wrong, but believe both factions can atone for their mistakes.
No it's not. it's a victory no one wins.
Actually it is. It refers to a battle, where the battle was won, but it was likely costing the war. A phyrric victory is a WIN which has too high of a price making the win not worth the effort. However it is a victory regardless. Just strategically and in the long run not a good one. (I win one more battle like that and I lose the war - or something like that was the reference quote). I don't remember the exact words.
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I don't think that the Templar order is actually that united. There is no telepatic conversation generally, no telephone, email etc. So there is word of mouth and letters. The news don't travel that fast and never travel without distortion. So what you here in one location might be something entirely different in another location. And even people being present at the same time can recall things differently.
In all the games, the focus was on the mages side most often then not. Rarely did we witness the toll this whole thing and setting takes on the templars themselves. There was a bit here and there, but mages were somehow easier to see as being repressed by the templars. But it was not actually the templars, but the system. Templars didn't have it that funny and bright either. They were tasked to watch over mages, protect them and protect from them. But being isolated with the mages from the society for that long, there must be a tie, a tie that you fear to build, for you must sever it in certain cases. It is an awkward situation, where fear is present all the time. You are told mages are to be feared, and yet they fear you. It really is just a mess. However I don't see templars randomly walking around, they are just as captives as the mages, captives of own duties.
Some of the templars overstepped their line. Some other templars tried to stop them.
Some mages became abominations. Some other mages tried to stop them.
They are both just people. Neither had it easy.
I think the letters you find scattered brilliantly show the side and feelings of the various templars. Some of them did it to make sure their own children are safe from threat of magic. Some did it to make things right. Some started to fear themselves and wanted to get rid of it. Some questioned their bosses, some died in the attempt. Some just enjoyed the power it brought and wanted more, for they didn't want to feel weak and defeated. Some just hated mages and would have done anything, some beleived the mages are the reason of the explosion in Haven and wanted revenge. So many people, so many reasons.
It was another victory like that and I will be going home alone, King Pyrrhus said that after his second victory against the romans in which he lost many troops and commanders he could not replace even if he wiped out the roman army while the romans simply raised more armies and relentlessly continued the war. That was because unlike everyone else in the ancient world the romans made war until they either won and their enemy would never be a threat again or were destroyed while everyone else waged war expecting it to end in one decisive battle make a peace treaty then repeat a few years later.
Which is the result of their poor decision to go to Therinfal in the first place, following the command of a treasonous psychopath.
Whooooosh
The point, I think, is not that the Templars are flawless (they really should have seen through Lucius earlier, and it seems obvious to me that anyone taking Red Lyrium ends being with a bad case of crazy) but that at least they realize their mistake and attempt to atone for it. Even if you disband the Order, they seemingly take it in stride and realise they kinda asked for it.
Fiona, meanwhile, is all uppity when you decide to not reward her blunders with complete freedom. The Mages desperately needed someone other than Fiona to represent them, who would at least realize that people mistrusting the mages after the rebellion, the Conclave and the Alexius incident is friggin normal.
Incidently, I'm still a bit peeved we cannot ask Fiona for explanations about what happened to the Tranquil. They were almost all murdered right under the Mages's noses so the Venatori could go on their easter egg hunt, yet no one noticed anything? No one even questioned it? My Mage Quizzy would have been so damn pissed about that.
The point, I think, is not that the Templars are flawless (they really should have seen through Lucius earlier, and it seems obvious to me that anyone taking Red Lyrium ends being with a bad case of crazy) but that at least they realize their mistake and attempt to atone for it. Even if you disband the Order, they seemingly take it in stride and realise they kinda asked for it.
No one actually brought up a comparison with the mages until now, it started out with people regarding the use of red Lyrium as "tragic heroism" and implying that they had no choice in doing what they did.
As for Fiona, I will maintain that, for characters who actually did In Hushed Whispers, that she was hanged by the neck until dead.
A Pyrrhic victory is still a valid victory.
No, it really isn't.
I think they are retarded because they follow a man with the flimsiest of reasons to get the templars to join him... How can they be so stupid as to trust what's-his-face? It makes me want to bang my head against the brick wall it's so stupid.
I think they are retarded because they follow a man with the flimsiest of reasons to get the templars to join him... How can they be so stupid as to trust what's-his-face? It makes me want to bang my head against the brick wall it's so stupid.
Wait, are you talking about Lucius?
We hate magic....
Who says Templars hate magic? The Templar order is supposed to protect mages from themselves, not eradicate them.
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