Well, there are few ways to combat the evils of magic. Red lyrium is the most cost effective means of doing so. I'm surprised they are so conservative with using it.
If anything, they had plenty of sense.
Yes, ingesting a substance that is known to make the eater go insane is certainly a way to combat magic and not worse than just accepting that magic is part of the world and no different from anything else in the world. Yep. Totally reasonable.
Face it, the Red Templars are dumber than mud.
I don't find it any more surprising than the mages who immediately embraced blood magic in the ferelden circle. Corruption corrupts, turns out both blood magic and red lyrium are very good at corrupting.
That is called a draw. A Pyhrric victory means one side won but at a great cost, usually losing more forces than their enemy. An example may be the British Victory at Bunker Hill or the Persian victory at Thermopolaye against the oppressive, slave owning (and abusing) Spartans.
Not quite so. Pyrric means you mean the battle but you lack the numbers to continue the campaign. Just like in Pyrro invasion of Italy.
Not quite so. Pyrric means you mean the battle but you lack the numbers to continue the campaign. Just like in Pyrro invasion of Italy.
Reminds me of Cerberus.
Another tragically heroic faction in another Bioware game.
AN interesting pattern, isn't it?
I think there were two Codex entries in Daerwin's Mouth that offered insights to their motivations.
One choose to take Red Lyrium because it made him feel more powerful (aka Super Heroin)
One choose to take Red Lyrium to end the Mage Rebellion more quickly so that he could return to his family.
Plus that Samson likely started his plan to spread the Red Lyrium by introducing veterans like himself that were short off being sendt to Val Royeaux for retirement. Their minds would be too clouded from deprivation to withstand the offer (akin to smuggling heroin to a rehab clinic).
I'm not claiming that the choice to become a Red Templar was smart (it was certainly not), but then, we have recruits that were subjected to it by their superiors, who did never really had any chance to avoid it except leaving the Order (and abandoning the world to rampaging mages, at least in their point of view).
I'm not claiming that the choice to become a Red Templar was smart (it was certainly not), but then, we have recruits that were subjected to it by their superiors, who did never really had any chance to avoid it except leaving the Order (and abandoning the world to rampaging mages, at least in their point of view).
The Order already abandoned the world to rampaging mages, demons and more (like a rogue faction of their own men killing indiscriminately in Fereldan) as per Lucius' command.
Uh...because red lyrium is lyrium tainted by the blight? That thing that likes to spread.
And what's in the deep roads?
Did I miss something? How is red lyrium blight related? There is no current blight. I thought it was corrupted by the breach, but I could def. be wrong.
And deep roads=dwarves. or they used to, anyway. I'm assuming the world's lyrium supply doesn't come from the surface.
Did I miss something? How is red lyrium blight related? There is no current blight. I thought it was corrupted by the breach, but I could def. be wrong.
And deep roads=dwarves. or they used to, anyway. I'm assuming the world's lyrium supply doesn't come from the surface.
Bianca says it's tainted by the blight.
Did I miss something? How is red lyrium blight related? There is no current blight. I thought it was corrupted by the breach, but I could def. be wrong.
And deep roads=dwarves. or they used to, anyway. I'm assuming the world's lyrium supply doesn't come from the surface.
You learn in Well, S*** that A. Lyrium is alive and B. Red lyrium is blighted.
You learn in Well, S*** that A. Lyrium is alive and B. Red lyrium is blighted.
well that figures the one quest i never had the energy to complete haha
The thing that disturbs me more about the red templars is they force people to eat it so it grows out of them, like in sahrnia and then they in turn injest the lyrium, What person looks at that and is okay with that? Especially templars who are sworn to protect mages and the non magical people.
Samson is just evil, not a tragic person who was burnt out of the chantry, just an addict who was desperate for a fix and when corypheous came along he said yes. He didn't care about the templars, his little speech he made was just twisted self serving delusional rubbish, i wanted to execute him. He was just a twisted person who i felt no sympathy for.
Not quite so. Pyrric means you mean the battle but you lack the numbers to continue the campaign. Just like in Pyrro invasion of Italy.
Talk with a Hawke that sided with the templers...
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This is why I hate siding with the templars in DA2. At least by siding with mages Hawke's dissapearance made more sense. Although why would Divine send her Hands to get an apostate rebel Hawke for Inquisitor role is beyond me. This all feels like a shitty retcon.
The thing that disturbs me more about the red templars is they force people to eat it so it grows out of them, like in sahrnia and then they in turn injest the lyrium, What person looks at that and is okay with that? Especially templars who are sworn to protect mages and the non magical people.
Samson is just evil, not a tragic person who was burnt out of the chantry, just an addict who was desperate for a fix and when corypheous came along he said yes. He didn't care about the templars, his little speech he made was just twisted self serving delusional rubbish, i wanted to execute him. He was just a twisted person who i felt no sympathy for.
He needed magical crack so badly he was willing to turn people into a magical crack army.
Bioware needed hostile factions for player to kill, so somehow well known and established factions conveniently goes full retart and do something so stupid that it turnes them into brain washed monsters so killing them in hundreds doesn't cause any moral dilemmas.
Reminds me of Cerberus.
Seems like cerberus done right in my opinion. Where the templars can actually be sided with and their motivation can extend beyond "lol we're team rocket now" like in mass effect 3.
Glad to see bioware at least learning somewhat from past mistakes.
Seems like cerberus done right in my opinion. Where the templars can actually be sided with and their motivation can extend beyond "lol we're team rocket now" like in mass effect 3.
Glad to see bioware at least learning somewhat from past mistakes.
I think Mass Effect had different goals than Dragon Age, so I wouldn't go so far as to call it a "mistake", but that's just me.
We'll just have to wait and see what that choice regarding the templars yields.
what you mean to say let me complete you shortly. DUMB.
(Red templars not you)
Yes, ingesting a substance that is known to make the eater go insane is certainly a way to combat magic and not worse than just accepting that magic is part of the world and no different from anything else in the world. Yep. Totally reasonable.
Face it, the Red Templars are dumber than mud.
You do understand that most of the people who took it did not know what it was. Right?
This is why I hate siding with the templars in DA2. At least by siding with mages Hawke's dissapearance made more sense. Although why would Divine send her Hands to get an apostate rebel Hawke for Inquisitor role is beyond me. This all feels like a shitty retcon.
First of all we know that the divine was after Hawke to help stop the war from da2.
Second, kirkwall is said to be heavyly effect by red lyrium in the gallows. It makes sense it would effect the templers. Meridith did not even ingest red lyrium and look what happened to her.
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If thats what you got from that quest then I think you ought to replay it. The templars get to try new forms of lyrium all the time and since its a military organisation you don't question small things such as that. The thing is that noone knew that red lyrium was dangerous and they trusted their corrupted commanders and that they wanted what was best for them. The red templars killed the second in rank from the lord seeker because he wouldn't play along if I remeber correctly. Its the dead guy you find in the unlockable door near where you meet envy.
I agree with the post. However what I have noticed going from DA 2 to DAI to potential future DA games is how bad the whole red lyrium situation went from being unimportant in DA 2 to kind of a semi common place thing in DA I and I frankly feel it may become a epidemic as Verric fears in future DA stuff.
I also do agree that if you play the templar storyline that yes the templars are trying red lyrium to get better and stronger and even have it as a means to crush the mages but of course they themselves do not know the +'s and -'s of red lyrium when they are so use to the traditional amounts and know the minuses where it causes addiction. As far as the whole Meredith thing is the templars feel "Oh....she used waaaaaaayyy to much. If we use a little that won't happen to us". Of course even a tiny bit causes ugly mutation. They just only know after the fact.
Also the templars are not really dumber than mud, they are just drug dependant. Like most addicts sometimes they want to try the latest craze. In this case....red lyrium is the latest craze.
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