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[Guanxii]

Completely over alien romance and the Bioware romance system - we've had more than enough of it over the years. There aren't any other existing races which would work beside female Drell or Turians no point in repeating the same ones we've already had and the entire concept is pretty played out to the extent that it's about the last thing that interests me about the series at this point.

Romance feels so forced, simplistic and deterministic I wish they would deepen the relationship system to the extent that you can continue to bond with characters long after you thwart an onslaught of their unwanted sexual advances. Why not give unique content to best friends or have different routes relationships can take besides LI or neutral.

[goishen]

I would like a Turian or Batarian or Quarian male as a romance option for my female human PC.  And I want him to be the pursuer and maybe have a human fetish.

 

 

I am fed up with having to throw or flaunt my female PC at the alien NPC in order to get him to take any notice of my character. I want the alien male NPC LI, if treated well by my PC,  to go out of his way to show he is interested in my PC maybe by making deliberately flirtatious comments on missions or in conversations, giving her a gift that shows romantic feelings, asking her on a date, or outright saying he has a crush on her. 

 

 

I did not include Drell because I do not think any Drell will be making an appearance in the next game. If we get another Drell squadmate who is a LI, I do not want another version of Thane. 

 

 

I really liked Thane and he is my favorite, but he had a terrible case of CARTH SYNDROME. He actually insinuates to Shepard that he pleasures himself with memories of his wife and that he is calling her the same nickname he called his wife. 

 

 

While I do appreciate where this is coming from, let me tell you the flip side of the coin.  

 

Guys who like to play female characters who would almost puke if everybody were throwing themselves at our (or my especially) feet with cheesy come on lines.  "Hey baby, what's your sign? *clicks tongue and does an impression of a gun with finger*"

 

Ugh.

 

Shoot me now.

 

EDIT :  Just had an image of Ashley shooting Wrex.  With an M3.  Takes a while, so I've heard. 

 

EDIT x 2 :  Or put that into the game.  Hahaha.   I wouldn't mind it so much if you put that in.

[Guanxii]

I hope they don't get caught in the 'maturity' trap way of thinking that what the existing system really needs above all else is more graphic sex scenes. At the risk of sounding like somebody's dad imo they need to take a broader view of relationships across the board which would mean less emphasis on the build up to pg13 sex with 3-6 characters, more emphasis on just about everything else. I'd be willing to sacrifice a handful of deeper LI relationships if we could have more fleshed out/varying/interesting relationships of all kinds with everyone including the LIs.

 

The appeal of most alien characters in the series is intellectual/philosophical rather than sexual - Legion, Mordin, Wrex, etc. Less time spent woo-ing eye candy is better time spent learning about new cultures and charactering people who aren't interested in making whoopy with you.

[BraveVesperia]

Tali and Kasumi look almost identical but Tali has wider hips and a bigger butt.

She has the 'chicken legs' too. I think male quarians actually look more non-human than the female ones, since they have the legs and they're much slimmer than maleShep. Bit shorter than him too.

[KaiserShep]

Guys who like to play female characters who would almost puke if everybody were throwing themselves at our (or my especially) feet with cheesy come on lines.  "Hey baby, what's your sign? *clicks tongue and does an impression of a gun with finger*"

 

I'd like to think that most people would hate this to their very core XD

 

I think if done right, it can be pretty entertaining or endearing, but it's something that would easily become grating, especially for people who are not interested in romance at all.

[Display Name Owner]

I hope they don't get caught in the 'maturity' trap way of thinking that what the existing system really needs above all else is more graphic sex scenes. At the risk of sounding like somebody's dad imo they need to take a broader view of relationships across the board which would mean less emphasis on the build up to pg13 sex with 3-6 characters, more emphasis on just about everything else. I'd be willing to sacrifice a handful of deeper LI relationships if we could have more fleshed out/varying/interesting relationships of all kinds with everyone including the LIs.

 

The appeal of most alien characters in the series is intellectual/philosophical rather than sexual - Legion, Mordin, Wrex, etc. Less time spent woo-ing eye candy is better time spent learning about new cultures and charactering people who aren't interested in making whoopy with you.

 

On that note I'd say the Joker and EDI's relationship was nice and interesting right up until it started getting all sexual/creepy/logistically baffling.

[Robert Cousland]

Other than a female Turian romance, which would be awesome, I kinda want a female Krogan romance option... is that weird?

[katamuro]

Other than a female Turian romance, which would be awesome, I kinda want a female Krogan romance option... is that weird?

 

Yes is the short answer. However it is not weirder than usual on here. I think it might be interesting to see a completely asexual romance. Or just really good friendship. 

[Guanxii]

Former Batarian enslaver of Humans falling for a Human squadmate is an opportunity for mature writing. Nudity, I didn't get any nudity with Thane or Garrus, but after seeing these fan creations I would welcome it.

I want a Batarian Wrex/Legion archetype who completely changes your view about who they are as people: truly iconic characters don't need romance subplots to drive home that player connection. Trying to force a romance subplot where it doesn't belong could cheapen the writing and might be a massively wasted opportunity. If while getting to know Wrex he started suddenly coming on to femshep that would have felt really out of place and stunted his characterisation - it would never have worked even if a niche audience may have wanted it.

Some female players might want to romance a Batarian Garrus-type with a funny personality but I think that would be an extreme niche audience and you have to remember that Garrus and Tali were established fan fav characters with fully formed personalities developed over the course of two games. Jumping right in at the deep end it would be very hard for it not to feel contrieved.

[Robert Cousland]

I never want to see a naked Batarian... ever.

[Han Shot First]

I never want to see a naked Batarian... ever.

 

This.

 

I think Bioware should stay away from making any of the more alien of the alien species LIs. Krogan, Salarians, or Batarians would just be a bit weird.

[Mcfly616]

This.

 

I think Bioware should stay away from making any of the more alien of the alien species LIs. Krogan, Salarians, or Batarians would just be a bit weird.

They should've just kept romances solely to humans and Asari, as it was in the beginning. Meaning sexual encounters and relationships.

 

 

I'm totally in favor of a well done platonic alien romance. I think that has a great deal of potential. The sequels just destroyed the suspension of disbelief. Getting it on with Quarians and Turians is just as weird as Krogan, Salarians, Batarians etc. 

[Robert Cousland]

This.

 

I think Bioware should stay away from making any of the more alien of the alien species LIs. Krogan, Salarians, or Batarians would just be a bit weird.

 

No, I support and want alien LI's, I just think Batarians are exceptionally ugly.

[LisuPL]

Asari and Turian Male and Female romances seem very believable in ME universe.

 

*BUT - anything going down with a Krogan or similar type of an alien would be just "that part of the internet" material.

[Guanxii]

The thread's title is Alien romance- ME Next. Basically, will we have them and how can we work them into the game and make them better, interesting, or important to the LI's and PC's development as individuals? I am suggesting what I would like to see in a male Batarian romance for a female Human PC. In the trilogy and at least one novel there are suggestions that Batarians have a possible sexual interest in Humans. Unfortunately it gets tied up with rape in many of these instances, which is a sensitive issue for women when it is directed at their gender by Batarians. It reminds me of Cardassian male behavior towards Bajoran women in Star Trek DS9. Cardassians enslaved Bajorans and frequently used rape on the females, but also had an attraction toward them, and there were romance subplots for Cardassian males and Bajoran women frequently. I want to break that stereotype by showing a healthy and caring romance. As this is a roleplaying game it wouldn't hurt for anyone to try the romance out or watch it on youtube. It certainly doesn't need to be excluded for niche audiences of which Bioware has many.

Instances of which I speak:

• Revelations novel -Batarian brothels on Camala have Human consorts, and a Batarian tries to rape one.
• Talitha Draven in the Colonist Shepard side story suggests she was raped by Batarian slavers.
• FemShep gets hit on by a Batarian during Garrus's recruitment mission.
• Jack may have been raped by Batarian guards on Purgatory.

I don't think it would trivialize the Batarian's character development to be a romance option. There could be a whole side plot showing a mess of Batarians working on repairing relations with the council races and Humans in particular. I'd hate to exclude the romance option just to make it iconic in a way that doesn't offend those who dislike alien romances. Thane is our best representative for Drell, their plight, their issues with Kepral's, and even their behavior and psychology... even though he is an assassin. Did his romance which began and pretty much ended in mass effect 2 trivialize him or the Drell who we may never see or here about again?

Thane is space batman. He's this mysterious, exotic, spiritual, smart, well read, idealised, sexualised alien assassin straight out of a sci if romance novel dealing with universal themes of loss and mortality - it's amazing that he resonated so well with fans given BW's kitchen sink approach with him. In all honesty Thane was a success but there's really not a whole lot to say about his race in comparison to legion so they characterised his personal life instead to great dramatic effect.

Sure it's an approach which could work with a Batarian with a few tweaks but I think it would be much harder to pull off the most interesting man in the world act when their entire race is designed to look ugly, destitute and sound hostile.

[Robert Cousland]

Garrus is Space Batman, Thane is a space Samuria.

 

Romance options I am comfortable with- Humans, Turians, Asari, Quarians, Salarians, Krogan, and Drell.

 

Romance options I am not comfortable with- Vorcha, Elcor, Volus, Hanar, and Yahg.

[Robert Cousland]

Heres the real question, would you guys be able to romance a race that has only one gender? Or a race that has multiple genders? Or an alien that happens to be a hermaphrodite? Or, maybe even a transgender alien. Or would that scare you and your fragile masculinity? XD

[Mcfly616]

I'm pretty sure Batarians have been having sex (forcibly) with Humans since before mass effect 1. Unfortunately, I don't like Humans or Asari as romance options. Humans are boring and too close to reality and I want fantasy. Asari are women and, like Jack, I am not into the girl on girl action. This girl likes the gentlemen. And I like when the gentlemen are in the nude.

So don't partake in an optional romance then? It is a sci-fi rpg/tps after all. Not a fantasy sex simulator. Asari being able to mate with every species is one thing. That was their "thing".

 

 

Then the sequels came and bowed to fan-fic fantasies basically allowing you to screw anything with 2 legs and a heartbeat. And in Jokers case, no heartbeat at all. Imo they made a joke of their own fiction when it came to the romances. 

[Han Shot First]

Heres the real question, would you guys be able to romance a race that has only one gender? Or a race that has multiple genders? Or an alien that happens to be a hermaphrodite? Or, maybe even a transgender alien. Or would that scare you and your fragile masculinity? XD

 

Most people probably wouldn't have an issue with the first two. The Asari are all female, so they fit into the first group. And our own species has more than one gender. So some of the most popular LIs in the series fall into either one of those two camps.

 

As far as transgender characters go....I think most people, regardless of their sexual orientation, tend to have the characters choose LIs that fit their own sexual preferences. If a trans character doesn't fit into that box it isn't necessarily homophobia, and I think it is unfair to imply otherwise.

[Guanxii]

He didn't resonate well actually. Major complaints, some I agree with, are:

• Incurable disease--he will die no doubt about it
• Stuck on his perfect dead wife--the dead wife he spends most of his dialogue talking about and compares the PC to
• Issues with an angry offspring--a relationship that needs attention and will certainly take priority over a new romance with the PC

He had so much baggage. Loved him. But the following results should put it in prespective:

If you go to Fanfict.net or AO3

• Thane has less than 500 romance fanfics
• Garrus has over 2,500

Garrus is more likeable: but he had much more screen/dev time to hone that personality. Both Liara and Thane had alien romance arcs within a single game but they were both poster boy/girl material. Garrus and Tali's popularity is personality driven which is much harder to pull off because it requires significant character investment which takes time. A Batarian Garrus would be even harder to pull off imo and might take even longer before audiences are invested enough before going down this route.

I think we can all agree that a female Batarian or Krogan LI would be the stuff of nightmares.