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[mrjack]

Really? Well I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I mean quite often when there is a situation where something bad can happen to a female LI then you have multiple ways to deal with that situation. One good example would be Tali and the quarian geth conflict. You can save her by choosing quarians over geth or you can make peace between them. That is one reason why I'm quite frustrated about the tragic romances. If there is going to be a tragic romance then it's a romance where the other side is most likely a male LI. I don't mind if there are tough decisions and I would say that DR in DAO was quite tough one. Well the decision wasn't tough but the consequances of if were but the consequances of not doing it would have been even worse. Anyway I don't like that I can't do anything about the tragedy like with Jacob and Thane.

 

I think the Thane thing was acceptable because it was always telegraphed it would end that way. "ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK" if you like. The Jacob thing was..pfft. I don't know. I agree that in general the female love interests had more positive outcomes than the male ones although there is +1 for the fact that Garrus is the only ME2 LI that can be a squadmate for basically the whole game whereas Tali has to wait until after Priority: The Perseus Veil.

 

I don't think any of the ME2 romances except Garrus and Tali really play well in ME3 as they're not even on the ship. Miranda's isn't bad because she's involved in the main story line.

 

Still, I would have taken a tragic Thane romance or cheating Jacob romance for my MShep over the nothing that I got so I don't feel too bad for you  

[Silver Souls]

I hope asari is a love interest, same age like liara 

[Abelas Forever!]

I think the Thane thing was acceptable because it was always telegraphed it would end that way. "ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK" if you like. The Jacob thing was..pfft. I don't know. I agree that in general the female love interests had more positive outcomes than the male ones although there is +1 for the fact that Garrus is the only ME2 LI that can be a squadmate for basically the whole game whereas Tali has to wait until after Priority: The Perseus Veil.

 

I don't think any of the ME2 romances except Garrus and Tali really play well in ME3 as they're not even on the ship. Miranda's isn't bad because she's involved in the main story line.

 

Still, I would have taken a tragic Thane romance or cheating Jacob romance for my MShep over the nothing that I got so I don't feel too bad for you

Does Tali have less romantic moments because she joins you later? I don' believe that. Anyway Garrus is a squad mate throughout the  whole trilogy but his romance can only start in ME2 whereas Liara isn't a squad mate in ME2 (except in LOTSB) but she has romantic content in in very game.

 

There is less romantic content for ME2 LIs except for Garrus and Tali but I would say that Thane and Jacob are the worst and in Citadel DLC you can organize funeral for Thane. Not very romantic...

 

It's true that male Shepards didn't have male options in earlier games but it seems that it has changed. Anyway if Thane and Jacob would have been male only I wouldn't have minded because I'm interested in romancing male LIs so it doesn't matter what my PC's gender is. Although I prefer playing as femaIe PC. Anyway I would have romanced Thane even if he would have been option to male only because I liked his romance. It's just I don't what that kind of male LI in the near future. Not to mention Jacob.

[mrjack]

Does Tali have less romantic moments because she joins you later? I don' believe that. Anyway Garrus is a squad mate throughout the  whole trilogy but his romance can only start in ME2 whereas Liara isn't a squad mate in ME2 (except in LOTSB) but she has romantic content in in very game.

 

There is less romantic content for ME2 LIs except for Garrus and Tali but I would say that Thane and Jacob are the worst and in Citadel DLC you can organize funeral for Thane. Not very romantic...

 

It's true that male Shepards didn't have male options in earlier games but it seems that it has changed. Anyway if Thane and Jacob would have been male only I wouldn't have minded because I'm interested in romancing male LIs so it doesn't matter what my PC's gender is. Although I prefer playing as femaIe PC. Anyway I would have romanced Thane even if he would have been option to male only because I liked his romance. It's just I don't what that kind of male LI in the near future. Not to mention Jacob.

 

You're right. I don't think Garrus has more romantic content than Tali but I do know that it annoys me that I get Kadan on Mars only to lose him for what seems like half the game. I really lucked out with Kaidan because not only is he my favourite romance in any game but I love having him along as a squaddie too. Even if it's not romantic content, I wish I could have taken him to cure the Genophage or liberate Grissom Academy. I imagine Tali-mancers are a little peeved about that too especially as the same thing happened in ME2: Garrus can be your first recruit after Freedom's Progress whereas you have to wait until after Horizon for Tali.

 

I also agree with you about how much love Liara got as both an LI and as a squadmate. She got her own 3 (large) mission DLC and a love scene in ME2 and she wasn't even a standard squadmate. In ME3, you can take her on literally EVERY mission in the game (where it's possible to select squadmates) and she is required on four (Mars, Palaven, Eden Prime, Thessia). Most squadmates have only one compulsory mission each (Vega has a tiny bit of Mars + Palaven and Tali has Geth Dreadnought + Rannoch). She is also the only squadmate in the series that you absolutely must recruit in more than one game.

 

This is all sounding like I hate Liara and I don't at all but I will freely admit that I'm jealous of the Liara-mancers that get to spend so much time with her across the trilogy. If I were to list/rate the LIs quickly based on both how much time you spend with them + romance content across the tilogy, it would look something like:

 

1. Liara
2. Garrus
3. Tali
4. Kaidan (straight only - beats Ash because of Citadel DLC date)
5. Ashley
6. Miranda
7. Jack
8. Kaidan (gay)
9. Thane
10. Jacob (romance content in 3 doesn't count so it offsets being first squadmate in ME2)
11. Steve (Beats Sam because as the shuttle pilot he has a Leviathan romance dialogue plus goodbye video chat on Earth)
12. Samantha

 

Kelly/Samara not included.

 

I'm not sure what this all means except I think I've concluded that Jacob is mathematically (haha!) the weakest squad romance and would probably be worse than Steve/Samantha if not for the fact he's literally the first person we meet face-to-face in ME2. Also in my totally [not in any way] scientific analysis, I've concluded Liara's romance to be be the most robust. Of course none of this takes into account the quality of the LI and I have spent waaaay too much time thinking about this 

 

I will stop.

[Abelas Forever!]

You're right. I don't think Garrus has more romantic content than Tali but I do know that it annoys me that I get Kadan on Mars only to lose him for what seems like half the game. I really lucked out with Kaidan because not only is he my favourite romance in any game but I love having him along as a squaddie too. Even if it's not romantic content, I wish I could have taken him to cure the Genophage or liberate Grissom Academy. I imagine Tali-mancers are a little peeved about that too especially as the same thing happened in ME2: Garrus can be your first recruit after Freedom's Progress whereas you have to wait until after Horizon for Tali.

 

I also agree with you about how much love Liara got as both an LI and as a squadmate. She got her own 3 (large) mission DLC and a love scene in ME2 and she wasn't even a standard squadmate. In ME3, you can take her on literally EVERY mission in the game (where it's possible to select squadmates) and she is required on four (Mars, Palaven, Eden Prime, Thessia). Most squadmates have only one compulsory mission each (Vega has a tiny bit of Mars + Palaven and Tali has Geth Dreadnought + Rannoch). She is also the only squadmate in the series that you absolutely must recruit in more than one game.

 

This is all sounding like I hate Liara and I don't at all but I will freely admit that I'm jealous of the Liara-mancers that get to spend so much time with her across the trilogy. If I were to list/rate the LIs quickly based on both how much time you spend with them + romance content across the tilogy, it would look something like:

 

1. Liara
2. Garrus
3. Tali
4. Kaidan (straight only - beats Ash because of Citadel DLC date)
5. Ashley
6. Miranda
7. Jack
8. Kaidan (gay)
9. Thane
10. Jacob (romance content in 3 doesn't count so it offsets being first squadmate in ME2)
11. Steve (Beats Sam because as the shuttle pilot he has a Leviathan romance dialogue plus goodbye video chat on Earth)
12. Samantha

 

Kelly/Samara not included.

 

I'm not sure what this all means except I think I've concluded that Jacob is mathematically (haha!) the weakest squad romance and would probably be worse than Steve/Samantha if not for the fact he's literally the first person we meet face-to-face in ME2. Also in my totally [not in any way] scientific analysis, I've concluded Liara's romance to be be the most robust. Of course none of this takes into account the quality of the LI and I have spent waaaay too much time thinking about this 

 

I will stop.

People who romanced Tali will get her eventually. People who romanced Thane will get a kiss from him and a video in Citadel DLC and he dies. People who romanced Jacob don't get anything and in addition to that they'll find out that their partner has cheated on them and is having a baby with another woman and that woman has the nerve to say to you that it's best for Jacob to be with her even though they both would have died unless Shepard would have arrived to rescue them. That's rude.

 

I don't mind that much if there is more content with female LIs than with male LIs. For me it's more important that they exist and that I can have happy ending with them. Of course it would have been nice to be able to see Kaidan after Horizon but it wasn't possible. Because I stayed loyal to Kaidan in ME2 it felt like I just want to play the game as fast as I can so that I can start ME3 where there is romantic content with him.

 

About your list. I think it makes sense. What we can see from the list is that alien LIs have more story content than human LIs and male LIs have a little bit less story content than female LIs. Female PCs who romance females have the option which has the most content as well as the option which has the least content. It's interesting to see that gay Kaidan beats Thane and Jacob even though he is available only in ME3 and you can recruit  him quite late in the game because of his accident.

[mrjack]

About your list. I think it makes sense. What we can see from the list is that alien LIs have more story content than human LIs and male LIs have a little bit less story content than female LIs. Female PCs who romance females have the option which has the most content as well as the option which has the least content. It's interesting to see that gay Kaidan beats Thane and Jacob even though he is available only in ME3 and you can recruit  him quite late in the game because of his accident.

 

I did this because I think the romance and story content for squadmates in ME3 is far superior to its ME2 counterparts. Because Thane and Jacob have very little ME3 content compared to other ME2 LIs, I bumped them down the list. Thinking about it though, gay Kaidan doesn't really have that much romance content in ME3 unless you mod the save file (I do). There is no love talk on Mars, at the hospital or after the coup if you begin the relationship in ME3. There are still the 2 goodbyes (with the extended cut) on Earth though which I think elevate all the squad LIs above all the others and is the reason I find it hard to romance Steve unless Kaidan is unavailable (hardly ever happens).

[The Elder King]

I hope asari is a love interest, same age like liara

I'd prefer an older asari, in all honesty.

[KaiserShep]

Eh I don't really see much difference when it comes to asari, unless the character mentions on more than one occasion that she's nearing the end of her life. A rougher commando type would be nice.

[MrMrPendragon]

Sexy Andromedan aliens pls

[goishen]

Eh I don't really see much difference when it comes to asari, unless the character mentions on more than one occasion that she's nearing the end of her life. A rougher commando type would be nice.

 

 

I think that's why Liara worked so well, tbh. 

 

We've seen weak, passive Asari...  And then we've seen asari that'll rip out your spine and beat you to death with it.  (Bartender anyone?)

 

With Liara, we got to see a bit of both.  

[Abelas Forever!]

I did this because I think the romance and story content for squadmates in ME3 is far superior to its ME2 counterparts. Because Thane and Jacob have very little ME3 content compared to other ME2 LIs, I bumped them down the list. Thinking about it though, gay Kaidan doesn't really have that much romance content in ME3 unless you mod the save file (I do). There is no love talk on Mars, at the hospital or after the coup if you begin the relationship in ME3. There are still the 2 goodbyes (with the extended cut) on Earth though which I think elevate all the squad LIs above all the others and is the reason I find it hard to romance Steve unless Kaidan is unavailable (hardly ever happens).

When I think about your list more I might put gay Kaidan after Ashley because he has more story content than Miranda and Jack although he has less romance specific content than them. I guess it depends how much emphasis you put into romance specific content.

 

I don't have any favourite romance in ME. I like Garrus, Thane, Kaidan and Steve romances and I can't decide which one of them is the best.

[CroGamer002]

Can I still hope for geth romance option?

[katamuro]

Can I still hope for geth romance option?

 

Geth before reaper upgrade made them into true singular AI were not really a person. The collection of geth might start to exhibit idiosyncrasies over time if kept apart from the geth collective but its not a person. Never would be. So how do you even plan to have a relationship of that kind with something that would not be able to experience anything of the kind. Geth do not have feelings. Geth are pure math. 1 and 0. Binary. Love or at least our human understanding of it is far from binary. 

[CroGamer002]

Well, I guess they can experiment with idea of emotions like love.

[LisuPL]

It's wierd that Bioware hasn't introduced sort of a "xenosexuality" where some humans and some aliens could be attracted to the opposite sex, but only outside their own species (Asari do not count obviously since their intent of mating outside their spieces is now socially enforced).

 

For instance a Male Krogan with taste only for Asari or a Female Turian with attraction only towards human males ect.

This kinda seems feasible since some individuals in ME Universe might not just be "black or white" (straight or gay).

Some individuals might simply still be attracted to the opposite sex, but only of an alien species - sort of a "xenoheterosexuality". Not for reproductive reasons, but simply due to their personal preferences and tastes.

 

Just my idea on this, I'm not a mega fan of extreme combinations in this departament like Krogan on Human action... (if you know what I mean), but this concept of xenoheterosexuality seems likely in ME Universe given the availability of aliens to pick for people with such penchant....

[ShadyKat]

I hope asari is a love interest, same age like liara

Why?
We already had 3 games of Liara, I would hope any asari LI in the next game would be the complete opposite of her.

[SojournerN7]

I don't mind having options, but I would like the next game to make you work for it. And once you start down a path with another character, the chances of another character trying to start a relationship should drop dramatically. Doesn't seem very sporting when half the crew throws themselves at you.

[Silcron]

Why?
We already had 3 games of Liara, I would hope any asari LI in the next game would be the complete opposite of her.

You just made me think of a romance with an Aria-like asari. Can't say I wouldn't want that.

[RIPRemusTheTurian]

I'm still hoping for some reference to Shepard and LI in the next Mass Effect.

Nothing too crazy, just a newsclip or even a codex entry for those who chose destroy that proves they reunited.

[mrjack]

When I think about your list more I might put gay Kaidan after Ashley because he has more story content than Miranda and Jack although he has less romance specific content than them. I guess it depends how much emphasis you put into romance specific content.

 

I don't have any favourite romance in ME. I like Garrus, Thane, Kaidan and Steve romances and I can't decide which one of them is the best.

 

Eh, you're probably right. Squadmate interaction on missions in ME2 was limited to main story missions whereas in ME1 and 3, all squadmates have mission-specific dialogue for every mission. I hated it in ME2 when you were on a side mission and Garrus or Miranda only make generic remarks like "we need to leave" or "that did it" or "Sniped that one!". Even when you took them on recruitment missions or loyalty that weren't there own, they weren't exactly chatty. I love how in ME3 they actually talk to each other (and not just in lifts).

 

Add this to basically being shoved aside in ME3, ME2 squadmates don't really fare well for me. It's shame because there are some great characters. My favourite two squaddies from ME2 are Miranda and Thane and I wish I could've recruited them in ME3 instead of Garrus and Tali; or that I could've recruited Kaidan in ME2 over anyone else. This is the problem with introducing an almost entirely new squad. It makes you miss your ME1 squad and just as they start to win you over, you have to lose them too. For everyone's sanity I think they should keep the squad a lot more static in the upcoming (hopefully) trilogy with only 1 or 2 additions/losses per game and I don't think they should ever take away an LI from your potential squad. Having something like Vermire is fine but the survivor should have been a squadmate in ME2 imo. This way you don't feel locked out of romance content for wanting to stay loyal or having your LI taken from the player just to make room for fresh meat.

 

 

It's wierd that Bioware hasn't introduced sort of a "xenosexuality" where some humans and some aliens could be attracted to the opposite sex, but only outside their own species (Asari do not count obviously since their intent of mating outside their spieces is now socially enforced).

 

For instance a Male Krogan with taste only for Asari or a Female Turian with attraction only towards human males ect.

This kinda seems feasible since some individuals in ME Universe might not just be "black or white" (straight or gay).

Some individuals might simply still be attracted to the opposite sex, but only of an alien species - sort of a "xenoheterosexuality". Not for reproductive reasons, but simply due to their personal preferences and tastes.

 

Just my idea on this, I'm not a mega fan of extreme combinations in this departament like Krogan on Human action... (if you know what I mean), but this concept of xenoheterosexuality seems likely in ME Universe given the availability of aliens to pick for people with such penchant....

 

This is really weird but I think I might actually love it.

 

 

Can I still hope for geth romance option?

 

It's interesting in theory but I'm not really interested. I'm all for  an AI romance with a very human looking body to explore the idea of synthetics experiencing love geth (as CroGamer002 said) weren't true AIs with individual consciousnesses until after Rannoch and if you pick destroy they're gone anyway. Plus they look like kitchen appliances with strange organic-looking, lizard-like arms and legs. That's a little too niche for me. Sorry if that sounds shallow.

[ShadyKat]

It's wierd that Bioware hasn't introduced sort of a "xenosexuality" where some humans and some aliens could be attracted to the opposite sex, but only outside their own species (Asari do not count obviously since their intent of mating outside their spieces is now socially enforced).

For instance a Male Krogan with taste only for Asari or a Female Turian with attraction only towards human males ect.
This kinda seems feasible since some individuals in ME Universe might not just be "black or white" (straight or gay).
Some individuals might simply still be attracted to the opposite sex, but only of an alien species - sort of a "xenoheterosexuality". Not for reproductive reasons, but simply due to their personal preferences and tastes.

Just my idea on this, I'm not a mega fan of extreme combinations in this departament like Krogan on Human action... (if you know what I mean), but this concept of xenoheterosexuality seems likely in ME Universe given the availability of aliens to pick for people with such penchant....

Pretty sure they have. The adult magazine Fornax is all about xenophilia and is the #1 selling adult magazine. So it's been hinted at . Mordin also points out that taurian women tend to have a thing for him, something about his coloring and markings.

[BraveVesperia]

I'd quite like a romance with a quarian (or perhaps another race that isn't 'compatible' with human anatomy/biology) that doesn't feature sex at all, and instead focuses specifically on the romantic side of things. Something like Solas or Josephine's romance in DAI. Solas was quite bittersweet, while Josephine's was fluffy. You could headcanon that sex happened, or it didn't, but it isn't spelled out for you like with the other romances. I like that, since it gives me more room to imagine the type of romance I want to play. Plus it would add a different  flavour to the other romances. It would work with a human LI of course, but I doubt they'd want to use one for that since traditionally in ME, they (plus asari) have more explicit scenes (even by ME2's standards).

 

That's one thing I really liked about DAI's, they generally had a variety of romance types. They progressed in different ways and had a different focus.

[Vazgen]

I'd quite like a romance with a quarian (or perhaps another race that isn't 'compatible' with human anatomy/biology) that doesn't feature sex at all, and instead focuses specifically on the romantic side of things. Something like Solas or Josephine's romance in DAI. Solas was quite bittersweet, while Josephine's was fluffy. You could headcanon that sex happened, or it didn't, but it isn't spelled out for you like with the other romances. I like that, since it gives me more room to imagine the type of romance I want to play. Plus it would add a different  flavour to the other romances. It would work with a human LI of course, but I doubt they'd want to use one for that since traditionally in ME, they (plus asari) have more explicit scenes (even by ME2's standards).

 

That's one thing I really liked about DAI's, they generally had a variety of romance types. They progressed in different ways and had a different focus.

I watched both of those romances on YouTube. Solas romance is amazing! 

[mrjack]

I like Josephine as a character but romancing her doesn't feel particularly passionate (in an emotional sense) the way it does with other Bioware characters. I don't need to see sex or nudity but I want the romance to be as epic as the battles. I don't want to sit back and just think "aaaw, that's cute/funny/sweet". Although she's not my favourite, I think this is where Liara beats all others. If you start romancing her in ME1, by the time you get to ME3, it really is a love for the ages. It's why I normally romance her on my FemShep runs even though she had a few quirks that tend to bug me. This also where Dragon Age loses out in comparison to ME. By the time you really fall in love with a character, the game is over and you never hear from them again unless it's a cameo or Leliana (and even then she's not your LI anymore).

[Abelas Forever!]

Eh, you're probably right. Squadmate interaction on missions in ME2 was limited to main story missions whereas in ME1 and 3, all squadmates have mission-specific dialogue for every mission. I hated it in ME2 when you were on a side mission and Garrus or Miranda only make generic remarks like "we need to leave" or "that did it" or "Sniped that one!". Even when you took them on recruitment missions or loyalty that weren't there own, they weren't exactly chatty. I love how in ME3 they actually talk to each other (and not just in lifts).

 

Add this to basically being shoved aside in ME3, ME2 squadmates don't really fare well for me. It's shame because there are some great characters. My favourite two squaddies from ME2 are Miranda and Thane and I wish I could've recruited them in ME3 instead of Garrus and Tali; or that I could've recruited Kaidan in ME2 over anyone else. This is the problem with introducing an almost entirely new squad. It makes you miss your ME1 squad and just as they start to win you over, you have to lose them too. For everyone's sanity I think they should keep the squad a lot more static in the upcoming (hopefully) trilogy with only 1 or 2 additions/losses per game and I don't think they should ever take away an LI from your potential squad. Having something like Vermire is fine but the survivor should have been a squadmate in ME2 imo. This way you don't feel locked out of romance content for wanting to stay loyal or having your LI taken from the player just to make room for fresh meat.

When I'm romancing Kaidan starting from ME1 then ME2 always feels a little bit empty in way because I just want to complete it so that I can start ME3 and can finally have some romantic moments with him. I really would have wanted to make up with him in ME2 even though he wouldn't have come with me. It's true that some of the LIs from ME2 have quite a little content in ME3. So I guess it would be better to have just a few LIs in next ME because I think there is a need to introduce new LIs in a second game as well as in third game if the next game starts a trilogy. So that way I believe it's possible to maintain the quality of the romances throughout the trilogy.

 

I also hope that if the next ME starts a trilogy then you will have more of your old companions with you throughout the trilogy. Of course there should also be new companions to recruit but it's not a good idea to change the whole crew. I'm not against the idea that your LI from game 1 isn't with you in game 2 but in game 3 that person returns if there is a possibility to spend time with him/her also in game 2.

 

In a way I'm worried how the relationships would grow throughout the trilogy. First game is easy one and I think the second game is also quite easy because in it your relationship would probably get more serious but what would happen in game 3? Maybe it would get even more serious? Maybe he/she would move in with you. I guess I'm worried that there is a cheating subplot and I really don't want that to happen.