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[Switish]

To be fair diverging from humanoid aliens is something that we as humans rarely do with our imaginations. The Mass effect universe is based on our social structure, biological infrastructure and cultures as are the popular franchises such as Star Trek and Star Wars, which all have aliens that are basically humans with some added bits and pieces or supposedly different biological structure. I doubt that creating an alien that resembles something like Predator or Xenomorph (Im using those ambiguously) will produce a popular romance because we as humans will always be attracted to our own species unless someone has a bizarre sexual attraction outside the societal norm or has a crazed fetish... 

[mrjack]

With all these calls for "More alien-looking aliens to romance!", I wonder just how far people really want it to go? Do you want a krogan female romance? A Yahg female romance? A hanar prostitute with camera implants? Or just tıts and tentacles on what is basically a human female? If so that's fine. Own it. I don't go for women but I wouldn't want to romance a male krogan/yahg or even a turian or salarian for that matter. I could maybe accept a drell but those blinky blinky lizard eyes freak me out. That basically leaves quarians and humans so far. I hate to sound like Ashley but when it comes to sex, I really can't tell the aliens from the animals. You wouldn't have sex with a gorilla even if that gorilla learned to speak, read and write poetry, wore clothes and had a job or went to school. If you would then... I can't help you.

[SerriceIceDandy]

The other variable that should be considered is development costs. Taking into the account the factors that Switish and Mrjack have pointed out; it does create a very small niche of people within the Mass Effect customer base. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's a sizeable population of people in this community who would be all for it; but the majority of people who buy the game would be like 'Errrr, no thanks'. With that in mind, would Bioware really be prepared to put time and development costs into something like that when they could put the same into a human/asari/quarian etc LI with a much broader appeal. People love interacting with persons of all different backgrounds/species, doesn't necessarily mean that even 10%  of those people want to do the vertical tango with them.

[katamuro]

The other variable that should be considered is development costs. Taking into the account the factors that Switish and Mrjack have pointed out; it does create a very small niche of people within the Mass Effect customer base. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's a sizeable population of people in this community who would be all for it; but the majority of people who buy the game would be like 'Errrr, no thanks'. With that in mind, would Bioware really be prepared to put time and development costs into something like that when they could put the same into a human/asari/quarian etc LI with a much broader appeal. People love interacting with persons of all different backgrounds/species, doesn't necessarily mean that even 10%  of those people want to do the vertical tango with them.

 

Yeah, I am fine with liking people and being friends with mordin, wrex, thane,garrus and other aliens but really the only ones I was interested in were Miranda, Tali and Traynor. It would be nice to have more aliens as friends but I do not personally stray far into the "uncanny valley". 

[Shepard-Tali]

I only hope there is a female Quarian to romance so I can reenact Fleet and Flotilla

[Quarian Master Race]

They should not have revealed her face at all. Anything would've been met with rage for not meeting expectations and then that rage would've been amplified with the endings... 

I don't romance her anyway and this is how I think she looks like

I agree. I never thought the reveal was a big deal. I really don't get all the rustled jimmies over the humanoid apperance, anyway, since I think it misses the point. That said in Tali's case if they were just going to use a stock photo, I think altering a picture of Ash Sroka would have been a nice nod to her role and how well she played it

If I really had to choose an appearance, I always liked this one, but pale/purple semi- digitigrade tridactyly humanoids with cybernetics is fine IMO, given that quarians are otherwise quite exotic in their physiology compared to most of the other humanoids in the setting.



 

[Han Shot First]

To be fair diverging from humanoid aliens is something that we as humans rarely do with our imaginations. The Mass effect universe is based on our social structure, biological infrastructure and cultures as are the popular franchises such as Star Trek and Star Wars, which all have aliens that are basically humans with some added bits and pieces or supposedly different biological structure. I doubt that creating an alien that resembles something like Predator or Xenomorph (Im using those ambiguously) will produce a popular romance because we as humans will always be attracted to our own species unless someone has a bizarre sexual attraction outside the societal norm or has a crazed fetish... 

 

I agree with all of the above. As far as the Quarians go, as soon as Tali was made a LI they were never going to turn out to be as alien in appearance as the Krogan or the Salarians. Any species that has a character who is a LI needs to have enough human-like features that they aren't repulsive. But I think the devs went too far in that direction, by making Tali nearly identical to a human female.

[katamuro]

They could have pressed the extensive cybernetics angle. And gave Tali short hair, I imagine life in a suit would kinda force that on them. But really if they made it properly I would object if they made her into basically the space elf variant. truth be told her feet(not her legs) are a bit off putting but the whole package does balance it out. The main thing I am mad about is that they did it so flippantly and badly. 

About the only LI that was treated worse by the devs was Miranda. Both her scene in ME2 and her virtual absence during ME3. Liara even if she is not romanced gets several times as much attention. I think they went soft on asari anyway, after the Tessia mission you cant even really say anything apart from the same thing in slightly different variants. 

[Han Shot First]

Miranda made out okay as far as ME2 LIs go. Granted she still just gets a cameo and ends up rehashing her loyalty mission from ME2, which was disappointing, but she gets more content than every other returning Mass Effect 2 LI, with the exception of Garrus and Tali, who returned as squadmates. Compare Jack, Jacob, and Thane to Miranda. Of all the ME2 LIs Jacob got the worst treatment by the devs.

[Vazgen]

They could have pressed the extensive cybernetics angle. And gave Tali short hair, I imagine life in a suit would kinda force that on them. But really if they made it properly I would object if they made her into basically the space elf variant. truth be told her feet(not her legs) are a bit off putting but the whole package does balance it out. The main thing I am mad about is that they did it so flippantly and badly. 

About the only LI that was treated worse by the devs was Miranda. Both her scene in ME2 and her virtual absence during ME3. Liara even if she is not romanced gets several times as much attention. I think they went soft on asari anyway, after the Tessia mission you cant even really say anything apart from the same thing in slightly different variants. 

IIRC, Tali is specifically stated to have long hair in ME2 and ME3. Part of her character design - the reason for a different helmet/hood style

[katamuro]

IIRC, Tali is specifically stated to have long hair in ME2 and ME3. Part of her character design - the reason for a different helmet/hood style

 

Was she? How did I miss that? 

[Vazgen]

Was she? How did I miss that? 

Hmm, could've sworn I read it somewhere Something like her growing up and letting her hair down. Can't find it though, so I guess I remember wrong. Art book for ME2 mentions her growing up but nothing about the hair.

Having completed her pilgrimage, Tali's new look was designed to be familiar, yet noticeable more mature than in the original story

[katamuro]

Well I thought that the fabric around her head does represent hair because they cant show the real one so its quite important about the styling but it really wouldnt be the best idea to have that long hair under the helmet. After all as I understand they could go for weeks at least without getting out of a suit. 

[Vazgen]

Some other versions from Matt Rhodes's site

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[katamuro]

Yeah but that image is already in conflict with the in-game model which I consider canon. Even in ME1, she had a nose, glowing eyes. So...

[SofaJockey]

What do you think are the possibilities of getting alien romances in MENext? 

 

Works for me.

Might get whining from the xenophobics 'not enough choices for humans, and all the aliens are ugly !'... 

[General TSAR]

Leviathan romance pl0x BioWARE!

[KaiserShep]

So do any of you talimancer's think you could have still completed her romance knowing her artist headcanons her like a bald chick, with bug eyes, pale white, and no lips?

 

If she turned out that way? Just curious!

 

I'm also kind of curious how that would have panned out if Tali really did end up looking like that. It was really a huge opportunity missed to make the quarians appear more exotic and alien-looking than the asari. Just the same, I think that the dextros should have been a totally platonic romance, especially Tali for obvious reasons. I guess it's too late now, since ME2/3 pretty much threw that possibility out the airlock.

[Switish]

I think the problem with the Tali romance (I have a play through with her as a LI so I have no quarrel against this particular romance) is that her face remained a mystery to the player with the exception of shadowed refinements upon her face; this leaves a lot to the players imagination and in my personal opinion her face should have remained a mystery. By revealing her features (yes it was a pretty lame picture and screamed laziness) any player would have been disappointed with the outcome even if it had been a well thought out concept, because we had already imagined what she could perhaps look like back in Mass Effect 2. 

 

On a more personal note, I would have actually preferred her to be more alien like than Human, I mean come on, hair? Really?

[KaiserShep]

I don't really have an issue with hair. It's not something that necessarily needs to be exclusive to humans, especially when considering the fact that the quarians evolved to have a closer relationship with plant life, since Rannoch does not have insects to carry pollen. Plus, even with hair, the quarians can still look sufficiently more alien than the asari, which are basically just blue women with helmets.