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[Ranadiel Marius]

There was a codex entry of a dwarf lost in the deeproads that bumped into intelligent darkspawn dressed as kings and talking about a black city, but also displaying a bit of amnesia. It is odd that Architect is the only one that doesn't remember entering the city.

Unless of course he remembers and is filled with regret + the fact that not a lot of people would help him in his quest if people found out he was one of the magister that introduced the blight into thedas. Its bad enough that he awoked urthemiel.

Him lying isn't too farfetched.

My personal theory on the Architect is that he is the magister who was eaten during that meeting, and the magister who ate him used a type of blood magic when eating him in order to steal his memories.

 

 

Is it an accepted fact that the ancient magisters caused the blight? There were absolutely no darkspawn prior, like the dwarves dug too deep or something? Just strikes me that if the architect didn't mention he was an ancient magister if he in fact is, 1) he could be lying, yeah or 2) mentioning he's an ancient magister is irrelevant to him because he has no idea that the populace attributes them to having started the blight.

Can someone explain how a handful of magisters can be the first darkspawn that just becomes a horde of millions? Lore question, really...

Corypheus does say the seat of the maker was empty when he got there, and yeah he could very well be lying too, but if it wasn't empty, does he really think he could oust the maker? So confused...

It is accepted fact within Southern Thedas (Tevinter is a little skeptical about it). There is evidence that is known in fandom that is not common knowledge in universe that suggests that Darkspawn and the Blight predate the Magisters attempt to enter the Fade. Chief pieces of evidnce on the subject are the primeval thaig which had blight infested lyrium not found anywhere else and the Temple of Mythal which had a relief of elves fighting skeleton like creatures which make remind the Inq's companions of Darkspawn. Considering that the First Blight is dated as starting in the same year that the attempt to enter the Fade is dated....it seems more likely that their encounter with the Blight in the Golden City (which Cory says they embraced making it apart of them) likely awoken Darkspawn that already existed and had become less active for w/e reason before or around the fall of the Elves.

Side note, I don't think the Maker is a concept that existed during Cory's time, so I don't think he was thinking about ousting the Maker as he didn't really believe in the guy and I doubt he picked up the Chant in his brief awakening.

 

 

Think it's worth mentioning that Corypheus was in stasis while the Architect was not. A substantial amount of time had passed yet Corypheus awoke like the ritual was performed yesterday, which might explain why his memory was in tact, however the Architect was conscience during that entire time. It really might be as simple as that he's forgot due to his excessive life span, which I think would be really cool. Most fantasy genres with 'immortal' characters portray memory poorly, so if the Architect really has just forgotten, Bioware would get a big + from me.

Feel it is worth bringing up that we already have evidence of something similar happening with Shale and she lived for less time than any of the Magisters would have.

[Nightdragon8]

Yeah makes sense. Guess the first broodmothers would've been dwarves, huh? Lots o genlock babies..

But what of the magisters? They definitely started this whole fiasco?

after we found out that the red lyrium is lyrium that has been 'infected' by the blight, and the fact that there was red lyrium in that achient drawven place, where it seems darkspawn stay away from, it's so far pointing to that the blight isn't something new to the world. It just may have been contained better before. Maybe the magisters broke a seal, that was labeled as "Golden City" which in reality was a magic enchantment keeping the blight at bay. In the fade.

 

From what Cory said, it wasn't his idea but Dumahts order to go there. So, it seems to me they where just tools to whatever 'gods' spirts they where following.

[kukumburr]

I always thought the Architect was a big fat liar. I mean he might really have amnesia or something but he always seemed off to me. He claims he doesn't understand the other races and thus he has a hard time having positive interactions with them, but his weird politeness and the way he knows what information to withhold from people suggests otherwise. He knows how to lie well enough to hide the fact that he a) originally wanted to infect everyone in Thedas with the taint and woke up Urthemiel and caused the fifth blight. Clearly he's willing to hide stuff from the Warden in order to get what he wants.

 

But the thing that makes me mistrust him the most is the whole beginning of Awakening, when the Withered (the Architect's disciple) attacks Vigil's Keep. After the attack you find out the Withered and his darkspawn came up underneath Vigil's Keep in a sneak attack and slaughtered all the Wardens. But when you talk to the Architect he says he sent the Withered as an emissary to talk with them but misinterpreted his orders. I'm not sure how you can misinterpret something that badly. The Withered went there intending to kill them all, considering he went with a darkspawn force and had information on how to sneak into the Keep.

 

So yeah I don't know what his deal is really but I do think he's a manipulator.

[In Exile]

Based on what we know of his goals, it seems unlikely. He doesn't desire power for himself, he doesn't wand to restore Tevinter or return to the Black City. What he wants is to save the Darkspawn from the Calling. His actions fit with someone who desires that but lacks common sense that a person would normally develop while growing up around other people. I really don't see any plan that he might have which would match his actions as well as what he has stated.

So what exactly is his plan if he is indeed a Magister? He's creating intelligent Darkspawn. Cory displays the ability to create a psuedo calling, so if he wanted a Darkspawn army, he shouldn't need to make them intelligent (and doing so would probably make them immune to the psuedo-calling). I just don't see any reason why an ancient magister would want to free the Darkspawn.

He's a magister. DG confirmed it. And the horror he has created is a thousand times worse than the Breach Corypheus caused. Intelligent darkspawn are an unstoppable threat, the greatest possible enemy to all life in Thedas. As of right now, there's a budding apocalypse nothing can stop just brewing because of his actions.

[In Exile]

My personal theory on the Architect is that he is the magister who was eaten during that meeting, and the magister who ate him used a type of blood magic when eating him in order to steal his memories.


It is accepted fact within Southern Thedas (Tevinter is a little skeptical about it). There is evidence that is known in fandom that is not common knowledge in universe that suggests that Darkspawn and the Blight predate the Magisters attempt to enter the Fade. Chief pieces of evidnce on the subject are the primeval thaig which had blight infested lyrium not found anywhere else and the Temple of Mythal which had a relief of elves fighting skeleton like creatures which make remind the Inq's companions of Darkspawn. Considering that the First Blight is dated as starting in the same year that the attempt to enter the Fade is dated....it seems more likely that their encounter with the Blight in the Golden City (which Cory says they embraced making it apart of them) likely awoken Darkspawn that already existed and had become less active for w/e reason before or around the fall of the Elves.

Side note, I don't think the Maker is a concept that existed during Cory's time, so I don't think he was thinking about ousting the Maker as he didn't really believe in the guy and I doubt he picked up the Chant in his brief awakening.


Feel it is worth bringing up that we already have evidence of something similar happening with Shale and she lived for less time than any of the Magisters would have.

DG confirmed that the maker predated Andraste and existed at the height of Tevinter. It was just an irrelevant side cult. He also confirms that there are records that the golden city was once golden in the Fade. Corypheus confirms that bit too.

[Kai-Sar Adaar]

Exile, you and me are in agreement about the intelligent Darkspawn being a terrible idea.  In fact even if I thought that the Architect was being 100% honest with me (which I don't), I wouldn't side with him for the simple reason that I know the Blights can be defeated, but I have absolutely no idea how bad intelligent Darkspawn would be.

[myahele]

Actually, I think Dumat stopped talking to Cory, which then made Cory (and crew) very uneasy.

Somewhere along the line they came up with the idea to go to where the old gods where in hopes to usher in a new age and also because belief in them were dwindling. Perhaps more people flocked to the Maker when it was still an irrelevant cult at the time

[Ranadiel Marius]

He's a magister. DG confirmed it. And the horror he has created is a thousand times worse than the Breach Corypheus caused. Intelligent darkspawn are an unstoppable threat, the greatest possible enemy to all life in Thedas. As of right now, there's a budding apocalypse nothing can stop just brewing because of his actions.

The quote that I have seen people use to say that DG confirmed that the Architect is a magister is considerably.....not really confirmation. As I recall the quote was along the lines that Cory was the same kind of enemy as the Architect.....which is true even if the Architect is not Magister as they are both intelligent darkspawn that cast magic. There is more than enough wiggle room in the "confirmation" that I would not consider it to be worth using for evidence unless there is a second quote that I am unaware of. I believe that the Architect is a Magister, but I do not consider that to be anwhere near confirmed at the moment.

 

DG confirmed that the maker predated Andraste and existed at the height of Tevinter. It was just an irrelevant side cult. He also confirms that there are records that the golden city was once golden in the Fade. Corypheus confirms that bit too.

Okay, still don't think Cory picked up the Chant of light in his decade of freedom. >.>

And I don't see why the Black City once being golden is relevant to anything in my post as I don't see anything I wrote that implies anything different. O.o

[TEWR]

There is something to be said for honesty, I'll give you that, but even so I don't think the Architect himself would have trusted us enough to tell us even if we would have heard him out.  I mean, we saw the immense backlash all of Thedas had against Corypheus once his origins got out, so it would be in his best interests not to tell anyone about his origins simply out of fear of what we or anyone else that learns of them might do.

 

To be fair, Corypheus didn't just tell the world who he was, he shouted it from the rooftops with a corrupted army ravaging the countryside and killing the innocents while he had a cult helping him out so he could repeat his decision to invade a place deemed sacred.

 

Not quite the same level as the Architect potentially telling us in confidence who he is

[TEWR]

It also makes me wonder if he lost his memory in a similar manner to the Inquisitor when they first entered the Fade physically?

 

Well, the Inquisitor lost his/her memories due to Nightmare feeding off their fears.

 

It's possible the Nightmare did the same thing to the Architect and some of the others who might've been confused, thus leading to the three Darkspawn in the Deep Roads who have a vague recollection of events. And perhaps this is what turned Nightmare from a being that was once helpful to the twisted thing it is now.

 

It didn't just remove their fears but was corrupted by them, because they were corrupted. Assuming that's possible.

[flabbadence]

Okay, still don't think Cory picked up the Chant of light in his decade of freedom. >.>

 

I'm sure he did, aside from what he already knew about the Chant from Ancient Tevinter. He recruited Templars after all.

[fhs33721]

Well, the Inquisitor lost his/her memories due to Nightmare feeding off their fears.

 

It's possible the Nightmare did the same thing to the Architect and some of the others who might've been confused, thus leading to the three Darkspawn in the Deep Roads who have a vague recollection of events. And perhaps this is what turned Nightmare from a being that was once helpful to the twisted thing it is now.

 

It didn't just remove their fears but was corrupted by them, because they were corrupted. Assuming that's possible.

If I had to bet I'd say the nightmare was already very demonish even before the first blight. Some of the codex entries in his realm predate the blight (the fearful memories of one of Corypheus slaves springs to mind). Also the Divine-spirit talkes about how Corypheus caused so much fear with the blights that the nightmare was able to gain even more powerful due to that, implying that it existed in its demonish form before the whole thing.

Also I'm getting the strong vibe that it was the nightmare itself that whispered the plan of entering the golden city into Corypheus ears and not Dumat. Although this is just a completely unconfirmed fan theory of mine.

[Obadiah]

The Architect might be a magister that lost his memory. I certainly can't see a magister embracing darkspawn as his people. The face stretched across the head, like a mask, that both the Architect and Corypheus have has to mean something. No other darkspawn do that. Its like they're trying to masquerade, or hold on to some piece of themselves, as human. Reminds me of the original Robocop. If the Architect is a magister, I wonder what he was like before he became a darkspawn? He certainly seems to have more empathy than a power-hungry mage.

[Northern Sun]

I'm pretty sure the Architect lost his memory. Possibly through the events of entering the black city, but I think over the 1000 years his memory just degraded. Corypheus was asleep for most of the modern era, but the Architect was awake and constantly having new and mundane experiences. I think it's a pretty similar situation to Shale, who couldn't remember her old life until she was put in a context that jarred her memory.

[Obadiah]

True. Could also be that the Architect's mind has been ravaged by the The Calling as well. If the Architect had the calling to deal with for 1000 years, and its influence degraded over time, it might have left his mind blank when he finally "woke up" immune to it.

[Wolfen09]

doesnt matter, as hes dead in all my playthroughs... as far as i know... damn cory making my brain hurt

[Panda]

However in the the Calling he seems very unknowing and intrested of humans like they are very foreign to him. I don't have the Calling with me at the moment (my friend has been borrowing it over year now, grr) but I think he had there writing of his own thoughts and such so it wasn't just how humans saw him but how he actually was. So at least in the Calling I believe that he wasn't aware of him being Tevinter magister at all.

[Broganisity]

You're right, he could be pulling an Illusive Man.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Well considering I killed him...he is not lying to me anymore if he ever was that is...now I just hope he stays dead.

[Knight of Dane]

I think the architect is a magister, but he doesn't actually know.

 

He invested part of himself in Utha, which is why she's still alive in DA:OA, so by killing both of them I think he is staying dead like Cory and Dragoncory

[TheDragonOfWhy]

Well considering I killed him...he is not lying to me anymore if he ever was that is...now I just hope he stays dead.

You killed him? In a roomful of grey wardens, in an area full of dark spawn, and you hope he stays dead?

I mean don't get me wrong, I did the exact same, but seeing what we have seen with Cory (and bioware's tendency to bring people back from the dead), I'd put money on Archy being responsible for what ever is happening with the grey wardens.

[Obadiah]

Hmmm... if the Architect is killed and reborn, I wonder what that does to his memory?

[Chari]

I honestly believe that he just suffers from amnesia

[Rhidor]

Seeing that the last posts here discussed the fate of the Architect if he was killed I have a theory how he can still play a role later on and be "revived", just like Corypheus.

 

We know a blighted creature is needed for an ancient magister lord to be "reborn", if the Architect is in fact one (judging from the outer appearance, which is way to coincidental not to make the two from the same origin).

 

It's possible he took over some darkspawn we didn't see. But I have a better idea.

 

The Hero of Ferelden is unlikely and I also don't expect other companions to be taken over, as they could either be absent or not made a Warden which are way too many variables to be considered.

 

Utha is also no option as she gets killed by the Warden-Commander as well if they choose to attack.

 

But has nobody ever wondered about Seranni? Isn't it quite odd he kept her around even though she was just a normal elf and no former Warden? As far as I know she can't die as well. She could've been his way out.

 

Inspiration for the thesis came from this post: http://catlantean.de...again-266206390