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[In Exile]

The quote that I have seen people use to say that DG confirmed that the Architect is a magister is considerably.....not really confirmation. As I recall the quote was along the lines that Cory was the same kind of enemy as the Architect.....which is true even if the Architect is not Magister as they are both intelligent darkspawn that cast magic. There is more than enough wiggle room in the "confirmation" that I would not consider it to be worth using for evidence unless there is a second quote that I am unaware of. I believe that the Architect is a Magister, but I do not consider that to be anwhere near confirmed at the moment.

Okay, still don't think Cory picked up the Chant of light in his decade of freedom. >.>

And I don't see why the Black City once being golden is relevant to anything in my post as I don't see anything I wrote that implies anything different. O.o

The twisting necessary to say that DG wasn't calling the Architect a magister is pretty silly. Think about the other points of comparison. Their gender? Their magic? Their appearance? Their both being darkspawn? None of those responses make sense in context.

There's no real wiggle room in the confirmation. It's like those people who after DA2 insisted Corypheus died in Legacy.

As to the Black City being golden, all I was saying was that it confirms *something* happened when Corypheus entered the Fade to it. Besides then obvious about the Maker being a crock, their entering the black city changed it.

[bluonblu]

I was reading a topic about the Architect and his relationship to Corypheus, as in whether or not the similarities between the two could be evidence for him being one of the original Tevinter Darkspawn, and a lot people kept debating whether him having no memory of such origins eliminated their possibility.  While there were some good points on both sides of the argument, I kept waiting for someone to bring up the Architect's nature as an unreliable source, and strangely enough no one did.

 

So basically I'm trying to propose the idea (which may have been proposed before admittably, though possibly not after Inquisition's release) that the Architect was/is one of the Tevinter Magisters, and is aware of that fact, but feigned ignorance in an effort to win our Warden-Commander's trust.  I personally would have been far less amiable towards him in Awakening if I knew that he caused not only my Blight but all Blights, and I believe his awareness of this coupled with his desire to avoid confrontation with the (possible) Hero of Fereldan could have served as sufficient motivation for him to mislead us in an effort to win our trust.

 

Thoughts?

 

Ask the question: would the wholly immoral, ancient DARKSPAWN lie to us? Naaaah, surely he's a paragon of truth and honestly...  

[Nefla]

What kind of Warden does/believes what a darkspawn tells her? I killed his ass

[Gambit458]

you know, I was wondering about it too after having played Inquisition. I've been replaying Origins and Awakening again and I sat there thinking "oh wait..the Architect looks similar to Corypheus. I wonder..maybe he's a magister too?"

 

He could be, but also maybe Bioware didn't come up with the whole idea with Corypheus and such until DA 2 and Inquisition. Like, maybe they didn't consider that possibility at the time with the Architect or maybe they did. If I recall, there is seven magisters so it's very likely he could be one. Perhaps they all don't share the same goal Corypheus does after they became Dark Spawn but rather had goals of their own, such as his wanting to free his people or w.e. Maybe some accepted their failure and decided on new agendas

[KarbinCry]

First of all, I like the Architect. I really like him.

 

My theory is based on the fact that, while having no concept of morality, which would be normal, if he grew up amongst unthinking horde of brutal darkspawn, as he claims, he shows some tid-bits of profoundly human behavior, like when he sincerely apologizes to Warden for what he "must do".

 

I think Architect is a magistrate, who died recently, and transformed into an unborn darkspawn (after all, they don't seem to have any control over which body they possess, otherwise, why would the archdemons transported into wardens?). That explains the strange appearance (growing body changed, bended by its new soul) and almost 100% amnesia - developing brain simply couldn't handle millenia of memories and they either got lost, or its all "locked away" in Architects mind.

 

I think Architect is like doctor Frankenstein. He does thinks, because he wants to help, no matter the means. We see that in the Calling, where he sees no other option but to turn everyone into warden-darkspawn hybrid, but when he finds a better way - using warden blood as a counter-agent to the taint (maybe its something like vaccination?) he immediately changes course.

 

That would also fit something else I heard. It is that the magisters used nicknames based on their roles (Qunari much? ). Corypheus was Conductor, the leader, high priest of Dumat, the highest of the Old Gods. The Architect could be such  nickname. He could have been the one to plan the invasion of the Black city. It cost thousands of lives - a heavy price, which he would be comfortable paying, since he thought he could make the world better with knowledge and power hidden int he Black city.

 

I know I'm quite apologetic of the Architect. After all, he is one of my favorite characters in Dragon Age. He could have had some ulterior, nefarious motives, but regardless of that, I think he was "born" the way I explain.

[Leliana]

Dunno if anyone brought this up or thought of this, but I do remember Corypheus saying that he 'called out to his brethren' and none of them answered, so he believes he's the only original magister remaining. This could either mean that the Architect died (somehow) since the events of Awakening, or he is not responding to Corypheus for some reason. (Eg. The Architect really thinks he's just an intelligent darkspawn and not a magister.)

[thesuperdarkone2]

you know, I was wondering about it too after having played Inquisition. I've been replaying Origins and Awakening again and I sat there thinking "oh wait..the Architect looks similar to Corypheus. I wonder..maybe he's a magister too?"

 

He could be, but also maybe Bioware didn't come up with the whole idea with Corypheus and such until DA 2 and Inquisition. Like, maybe they didn't consider that possibility at the time with the Architect or maybe they did. If I recall, there is seven magisters so it's very likely he could be one. Perhaps they all don't share the same goal Corypheus does after they became Dark Spawn but rather had goals of their own, such as his wanting to free his people or w.e. Maybe some accepted their failure and decided on new agendas

Don't forget how the Calling describes the Architect as resembling a Hurlock. I'm really interested to see the truth myself. Imagine if the Architect really did wind up being a Magister, imagine if he wound up possessing the Warden and that's why the Warden is trying to cure the Calling.

[TheLastArchivist]

If he's truly a Magister - although the book written by David Gaider (and that serves as the official basis for the character's creation) states very clearly he's a darkspawn, an Emissary, and definitely not human like in appearance -, then he must've been in charge of doing research on blood magic -because of his flagrant interest in dabbing with blood like an alchemist - and/or the Old Gods, since he's a born researcher: always cerebral, impersonal and in search of something. 

[TheLastArchivist]

People are mistaking him for a Magister because of his anthropomorphic appearance. If he had been portrayed as an Emissary no different than any other, there wouldn't be such confusion.

BUT, if Gaider's original intent was for him to be a Magister who later became darkspawn -after the Veil was torn in the first Blight-, then yes, it's highly likely he was deliberatedly lying.

[Gambit458]

People are mistaking him for a Magister because of his anthropomorphic appearance. If he had been portrayed as an Emissary no different than any other, there wouldn't be such confusion.

BUT, if Gaider's original intent was for him to be a Magister who later became darkspawn -after the Veil was torn in the first Blight-, then yes, it's highly likely he was deliberatedly lying.

Or maybe it's meant to look that way. There were 7 magisters after all and we've only seen one. Maybe Bioware was just messing with us or the Architect really is just a special dark spawn.

[Obadiah]

Just going to link in an image of Creepy "The Architect" McCreepster here:

[Sifr]

 

It is accepted fact within Southern Thedas (Tevinter is a little skeptical about it). There is evidence that is known in fandom that is not common knowledge in universe that suggests that Darkspawn and the Blight predate the Magisters attempt to enter the Fade. Chief pieces of evidnce on the subject are the primeval thaig which had blight infested lyrium not found anywhere else and the Temple of Mythal which had a relief of elves fighting skeleton like creatures which make remind the Inq's companions of Darkspawn. Considering that the First Blight is dated as starting in the same year that the attempt to enter the Fade is dated....it seems more likely that their encounter with the Blight in the Golden City (which Cory says they embraced making it apart of them) likely awoken Darkspawn that already existed and had become less active for w/e reason before or around the fall of the Elves.

 

Just to weigh in on this theory, there's also a plausible explanation for both of those things.

 

Bartrand comments that the first recorded mention of the Primeval Thaig was "old scavenger tales from after the Third Blight" (3:10 to 3:25 Towers), so it's at least 600 years old that we know for certain. Furthermore, it's gotten Golems inside of it which we know were first created during the First Blight (-395 to -203 Ancient) and only manufactured for several years, before Caridin and his Thaig were lost (-255 and -248 Ancient).

 

The Golems either suggest that it was in existence around the First Blight and outfitted with Golems at that time, it was reoccupied and Golems installed at a later date, or that these Golems were created by someone other than Caridin and before his "official" discovery and that the technology was later lost? Out of all of them, I'd say that the second is the most likely.

 

As for the Temple of Mythal, we know that the Sentinels have been awoken multiple times over the centuries and defended the Arbor Wilds from intruders, which would have had to include the Darkspawn at some point. Not only is the Western Approach relatively nearby and was heavily blighted (and to some degree, still is) during the Second Blight, but during the Third Blight, we know that various Orlesian cities were nearly overrun by the Darkspawn, including Montsimmard which is just to the north of the Arbor Wilds.

[Lordwarallied]

If you let the architect live and spare one of his emissaries, it lives on to protect and save people. I dont think intelligent darkspawn are bad. Since they have also original DNA. since the blight is a TOOL and all the thing about the taint has a definitive purpose as we know now. I think the singing and everything was to keep them in line with that purpose. 

 

The architect is definitely a magister. confirmed or not. just when i saw his clothes i was like....hey i know that set.

[Aramintai]

I keep the Architect alive in my canon playthroughs because I still hope he will appear some time in the future with a solution for the darkspawn problem. Although if he'll come back only to bite me in the ass  it'd still be more interesting than him being dead.

And I support this theory about him being a Magister who lost his memories, similarities are too apparent to ignore.

[Aren]

I was reading a topic about the Architect and his relationship to Corypheus, as in whether or not the similarities between the two could be evidence for him being one of the original Tevinter Darkspawn, and a lot people kept debating whether him having no memory of such origins eliminated their possibility.  While there were some good points on both sides of the argument, I kept waiting for someone to bring up the Architect's nature as an unreliable source, and strangely enough no one did.

 

So basically I'm trying to propose the idea (which may have been proposed before admittably, though possibly not after Inquisition's release) that the Architect was/is one of the Tevinter Magisters, and is aware of that fact, but feigned ignorance in an effort to win our Warden-Commander's trust.  I personally would have been far less amiable towards him in Awakening if I knew that he caused not only my Blight but all Blights, and I believe his awareness of this coupled with his desire to avoid confrontation with the (possible) Hero of Fereldan could have served as sufficient motivation for him to mislead us in an effort to win our trust.

 

Thoughts?

No i belive that he know nothing of his past, he have showed himself  personally to the warden at his risk and he have also spared    the Main warden life at the  wending woods,   however it's  seems that he is   very   hostile   towards the  old  gods  he want to  kill all  of  them, and i belive  that is not  only  for  the  darkspawn  sake  ,  this behaviour is ambiguos for someone  who is supposed  to  be an ancient  magister  accolite   of some of them. 

[Lordwarallied]

The behavior is highly irrelevant. Corypheus doesnt give crap about them either. He even doubts dumat at the end.Lets not forget he(architect) IS darkspawn. The amnesia isnt new in the context. He also have very similar powers to Cory. 

 

p.s: just to think of it, The end of DA:I could cause problem to the Architect's plan. If the wardens all die, there is going to be a serious problem.

[Leliana]

In truth there is much more to the Blight than we actually know as reveled by wack ass **** in DAI like

Spoiler

Solas being Fen'Harel and the fact that the Imperium didn't in fact destroy Arlathan.

Clearly the Chantry's idea of the Blight and the Black City is a huge simplification of things (although they don't know it), Corypheus tells us twice (in DA2 Legacy and DAI) that the Golden City was already corrupted and empty and it may be more than just delusion or lying. Spoilery theory:

Spoiler

When Solas/Fen'Harel sealed away the Elven Gods, what if he also sealed away Arlathan and it is what people call the 'Golden City/Black City'

If this is true then one may assume that the Blight was Elven magic gone wrong, and the fail-safe was to seal away the source so that it wouldn't spread. But then Cory and his buddies (not knowing any of this) went there and dun fucked it up.

 

In conclusion, I do not think it matters whether or not the Architect was lying. Why? Because in DAI he doesn't go to Corypheus's side, despite the fact that Cory called out to his brethren and he heard no reply. In fact it seems there is no effect whatsoever on DAI whether he's alive or not but the option is in the DA Keep, my guess is that they'll have DLC relating to him or it'll be for future titles.