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[mpen24]

I thought it would be interesting to figure out which vallaslin the Dalish used to worship the Creators. Any opinions or details about Vallaslin would be appreciated.
 
The Dragon Age Wiki listed which of the Dalish have which vallaslin which breaks down into:
 
Design 1: Andruil?
Lanaya
Varathorn
Ariane
Junar
Deygan
Fenarel
 
Design 2: Sylaise?
Ashalle
 
Design 3: June?
Athras
Ilen (DAO)
 
Design 4: Ghilan'nain?
Sarel
Maren
 
Design 5: Falon'Din?
Aneirin
Marethari (DAO)
 
Design 6: Elgar'nan?
Tamlen
Zathrian
Marethari (DAII)
Ilen (DAII)
 
Design 7: Mythal
Marren
Mithra
Abelas (Non-Dalish)
 
Design 8: Dirthamen?
Merrill (DAO)
Paivel
Elora
Arianni
Variel
 
Design 9: Fen'Harel?
Velanna
Seranni
 

The pictures for each design can be found at http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Vallaslin
 
Fenarel, Deygan, Ariane, and Junar are all hunters, so it's possible that Design 1 is Andruil. This is further supported by the fact that Junar is in charge of training Pol to hunt and Ariane is considered her clan's best hunter.

 

I picked Design 2 mostly by process of elimination, but it also fits. Sylaise stayed at the home tree while Andruil traveled. This relates to when Ashalle stayed in Ferelden because of the Dalish elf's boon.

 

Design 3 could possibly be June due to Ilen being the first Dalish craftsman you can meet.

 

It's possible that Design 4 is Ghilan'nain. Maren tends the halla in the Sabrae clan so it makes sense she would pick this vallaslin. The Dalish also believe Ghilan'nain was betrayed and Sarel is very bitter about the elves' betrayal by the humans.

 

It's a stretch, but Design 5 could be Falon'Din. In Dragon Age: Origins, Marethari gives you to the Grey Wardens so the pc can escape death by the blight. Falon'Din is also the Guide, and even though Aneirin was outnumbered and chased by templars, he was guided to the Dalish. This could have inspired him to pick Falon'Din for his vallaslin.

 

Since Elgar'nan is depicted as the all-father and leader of the Dalish elves, and Zathrian and Marethari (who lead their own clans) and Ilen (who plans to break off and lead the Sabrae clan) all have the same vallaslin, it is possible that Design 6 is Elgar'nan.

 

To the best of my knowledge, everyone in the Temple of Mythal has Design 7, implying that Design 7 is Mythal's vallaslin.

 

Design 8 could be Dirthamen based on the character's roles in the game. Each is seeking information or has information that the pc seeks. Merrill is searching for the lost history of the elves based on the eluvian; Elora is seeking information on the sick halla; Arriani is seeking information on her missing son; Variel has knowledge of Zevran's location which Hawke seeks, and as a hah'ren, Paivel shares his knowledge of Dalish history with the rest of the clan.

 

Design 9 could be Fen'Harel. Seranni (unintentionally) tricks Velanna by siding with the darkspawn. Velanna and Seranni leave their clan because Velanna thinks she knows what is best for the Dalish. This is similar to the reasoning used by Fen'Harel for locking away the other Creators. Additionally, the vallaslin for this design is not available to the player until DAI, where Fen'Harel is important to the storyline.

 

If anyone has any ideas about the rest of the vallaslin or disagrees with my assumptions about these designs, please share.

[TehMonkeyMan]

I wish I had time to figure this out

[Nyaore]

Honestly, I can't see Fen'harel agreeing to have Vallaslin, nor the Dalish willingly agreeing to wear such a thing upon their persons. Solas is fairly disgusted with the practice when you reach the point in his romance where the subject comes up, and while he might have had them at one point before I cannot see him endorsing it.

[Zetrial]

Not a massive Dalish fan but these might help the discussion flow.

 

http://lessandracass...-the-vallaslins

 

http://ehetere.tumbl...laslin-meanings

 

Of course it is all theory and may be vague on purpose by Bioware, like with the Maker. Left to assumption as much of Elven history has been lost to the ages.

[eternalshiva]

I doubt the dread wolf would have the slave markings considering he's basically a bad omen for the Dalish and he fought to have the slaves freed.  I doubt Solas would support his own followers to wear them, he even removes them from the Dalish inquizzie if she has a romance with him.

 

Matt Rhodes (iirc) tweeted that he had a Dalish tattoo explanation but that the design team had wisked it away from him in November to do something more official, haven't heard anything since so BW might release something on it or he was barred from saying anything since it had potential spoilers at the time? 

[mpen24]

I doubt the dread wolf would have the slave markings considering he's basically a bad omen for the Dalish and he fought to have the slaves freed.  I doubt Solas would support his own followers to wear them, he even removes them from the Dalish inquizzie if she has a romance with him.

I agree that Solas does not seem the type to have slaves (especially because of what he says about the Qunari), I just put him because I don't know who else the ninth tattoo would be for.

 

 

Matt Rhodes (iirc) tweeted that he had a Dalish tattoo explanation but that the design team had wisked it away from him in November to do something more official, haven't heard anything since so BW might release something on it or he was barred from saying anything since it had potential spoilers at the time? 

Hopefully if there's a dlc about Solas and the creators it'll be explained.

[Navasha]

It "might" be beneficial to look at the astrarium star maps for the various gods that the Tevinters supplanted.   Not sure if there is a connection there, but it might be worth a look.    Falon'Din being represented by an owl for instance.   Each of the Gods seem to have a representative symbol and the blood writing might more resemble that symbol or even the star patterns themselves.

[lynroy]

Dammit, there was a thread around here with pictures that people were matching tattoos with elven pantheon. Imma try and dig it out....

I'd love to know which tattoo represents which god/dess. Give me more Elven Lore, BioWare!

[Patchwork]

Fen'Harel likely once upon a time had slaves and vallaslin but I think destroying all traces of it is wrapped up in whatever drama made him imprison the other Creators. But even if he did have one I doubt it would be a very popular choice among the dalish.

 

These seem like the most likely interruptions imo-

 

DOA/DA2 and DAI 

 

Merrill's in DA2 are a bit of a mystery. 

[lynroy]

FOUND THEM! http://forum.bioware...ent/?p=17803699



Note that we have no idea if any of these are accurate but it's a place to start.

 

EDIT: Seems the source tumbr for those images has disappeared. Going to add the Inquisition ones for necro's sake.

Spoiler

http://41.media.tumb...rleuo1_1280.jpg

[Mahliha]

I'm late to the party, but I'm gonna chime it anyway.

 

I believe everyone can agree that when matching up the official vallaslin from Inquisition to the guessing game of the Origins vallaslin, the two that people have the most trouble matching up are Dirthamin and Mythal (and perhaps sometimes Falon'Din, though that seems strange to me since it's near identical in both games).

 

This is my own opinion/ thought process, after frustratingly studying both sets for similarities.

 

First of all, using the above illustration as a reference, let us assume this person got Falon'Din wrong. Falon'Din is the one labeled as Mythal (feel free to compare screenshots from the two games).

 

The DAI vallaslin for Dirthamin and Mythal quite honestly look nothing like any of the vallaslin from Origins. I've seen a lot of people to come to conclusions based upon vague visual similarities in the lines, but I think that when DAI was made these designs got a complete makeover.

 

I logged in to the DAO character creation to see the vallaslin up close. What I discovered was that one immediately struck me as belonging to Dirthamin, once I saw the obvious book pattern (when I say obvious, I mean the illustration above does not do it justice. It looks like someone pasted a clip art of a book silhouette on top of the otherwise "normal" looking vallaslin). It seemed to me this was an obvious throw to books symbolically representing knowledge, and it seemed fitting for the God of Secrets who shared knowledge to elves in Uthenera. Compare this to Dirthamin's vallaslin from DAI; no book, but there is another obvious symbol: A raven. I'm sure you all know how it's relevant to the lore.

 

That leaves that last one (labeled as Falon'Din above) to be Mythal. I haven't seen many others reach this conclusion, which surprises me. The symbolism is certainly not as obvious (it looks like tree branches... but so do half of the other patterns) but who else could it be after process of elimination? I'm convinced there is some sort of hidden symbolism in it, I'm still researching...

 

Of course, I could be completely wrong. Sylaise's vallaslin isn't that similar between games. The DAO fire- symbol between the eyes could also be a flower...just saying.

 

On a side note, I want to know why Marethari's vallaslin changed between DAO and DA2. I feel like it was done for a reason.

 

Thoughts?