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[russ4ua16]

Curious if this is only useful when you receive a full barrier or does it also strengthen the barrier built by dealing damage.

TY

[HowYouSoGudd]

From what I've heard its counter productive on AW.

Not to sure on statistics, but Full Barrier is something like 3000.

Add another 50% to that and you get 4500.

Barrier decreases at 10%/sec.

So in other words with strength of spirits you would lose 450dmg of barrier instead of 300 a sec which means it would be harder to fill.

[Whatislove?]

^THIS. I regret getting it. Your barriers decrease way faster when you have it. Duration is more important, it's not worth getting imo.

[coldflame]

From what I've heard its counter productive on AW.

Not to sure on statistics, but Full Barrier is something like 3000.

Add another 50% to that and you get 4500.

Barrier decreases at 10%/sec.

So in other words with strength of spirits you would lose 450dmg of barrier instead of 300 a sec which means it would be harder to fill.

 

According to this, Strength of Spirits seems to be useless even on Keepers as well. You get more barrier but you lose it just as quickly, so what's the point...

[caoshen]

According to this, Strength of Spirits seems to be useless even on Keepers as well. You get more barrier but you lose it just as quickly, so what's the point...

I don't think that's case, cus AWs need to deal damage to gain barrier, keepers don't.

[HowYouSoGudd]

According to this, Strength of Spirits seems to be useless even on Keepers as well. You get more barrier but you lose it just as quickly, so what's the point...

Barrier absorbs damage.

Using my previous example.

W/o Str of Spirits every 300dmg you take is 1 less second of barrier. With Str of Spirits you can absorb 450dmg before you use up 1sec of Barrier.

So lets say you take 900dmg with Barrier

W/o Str of Spirits. Thats 7 seconds of Barrier

W/ Str of Spirits. Thats 8 seconds of Barrier

 

Then again, with Elegant defence it probably wouldnt make a world of a difference anyway.

[TheThirdRace]

Barrier absorbs damage.
Using my previous example.
W/o Str of Spirits every 300dmg you take is 1 less second of barrier. With Str of Spirits you can absorb 450dmg before you use up 1sec of Barrier.
So lets say you take 900dmg with Barrier
W/o Str of Spirits. Thats 7 seconds of Barrier
W/ Str of Spirits. Thats 8 seconds of Barrier

Then again, with Elegant defence it probably wouldnt make a world of a difference anyway.

Edit: Turns out I misread what HowYouSoGudd wrote, he was talking about the Keeper, not the Arcane Warrior. The following still stands though...

It all has to do with Barrier decay. Losing 10%/sec is a problem with the AW specifically. Because Strength of Spirits adds 50%, you need to deal a lot more damage to fill your Barrier and sustain it. What will happen in reality is that since you won't get full Barrier (or very rarely), the decay will start immediately and you'll be more often without a Barrier. Thus, you'll take more damage on your health and die more often just because you cannot sustain any Barrier. Avoiding Strength of Spirits will allow you to fill your Barrier easily and benefit from the 3 seconds delay before it starts decaying. You'll be able to sustain your Barrier the entire fight (most of the time at 100%) and thus you won't take damage to health or very rarely. Strength of Spirits is to avoid at all costs on AW for the time being because of the decay mechanic.
 

According to this, Strength of Spirits seems to be useless even on Keepers as well. You get more barrier but you lose it just as quickly, so what's the point...

The point is Keeper gives you full Barrier from the get go. Full Barrier waits 3 seconds before starting decay. Keeper have a passive to reduce the decay by 35% which in turn gives more time with Barrier on. When taken together, those options allow the Keeper to actually sustain a Barrier on you for up to 16.5 seconds if you take no damage. Barrier is really efficient on the Keeper, especially if you always Barrier 2 characters at once because of Barrier's upgrade.

There have been debates about the usefulness of Strength of Spirits for the Keeper. Some say it's a must, some say to avoid it. Some even go as far as saying you should avoid the decay passive too. I'm with the later group. The logic is quite "twisted" but from experience it works.
 

Let's start with a fact, Barrier should be damaged by enemies if you're casting it right.

If you take a longer decay, that means the Barrier will take more time before expiring. Since Barrier's upgrade won't trigger until the Barrier expires, it leaves more time for enemies to attack the character that is now with low Barrier. More time equals more potential damage which in turn augments the chances of you getting your health reduced. If you don't take the decay passive, the Barrier will expire faster after a hit and Barrier's upgrade will trigger faster which means you can recast a full Barrier and protect the character from all damage. I've used Barrier with and without the decay passive and I got better results without it. It's much more apparent on Perilous where Barrier is damaged more than on the other difficulties.

If you take Strength of Spirits, you'll be able to receive more damage before your Barrier collapses. But, same as with the decay passive, that leaves you for a bigger window where your Barrier will be low and on cooldown. There's not much to add, I've used Barrier with and without Strength of Spirits and I got better results without it. Yes, the Barrier goes down faster but you can also recast it faster too which means there's less chances for your teammates to be damaged because they'll have full Barrier instead. Again, it's much more apparent on Perilous because of the higher damage

Some will disagree with this, it's ok, it's not like using both options is "disastrous". Both the decay passive and Strength of Spirits are viable on all difficulties, especially on Routine and Threatening, my opinion is that it's not optimal. If you don't pick any of those options, you'll have to "babysit" a bit more because you need to refresh Barrier more often. But, you'll protect your teammates better and increase your chances of success. Ultimately it's a trade-off, one I'm willing to pay.

[Trickshaw]

As 3rd just said, it's all about decay. AW is far better without it than with.

[coldflame]

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Thanks for the explanation. That's quite interesting, definitely something to ponder about.

[HowYouSoGudd]

Twisted logic. Ignore what he said please...

It all has to do with Barrier decay. Losing 10%/sec is a problem with the AW specifically. Because Strength of Spirits adds 50%, you need to deal a lot more damage to fill your Barrier and sustain it. What will happen in reality is that since you won't get full Barrier (or very rarely), the decay will start immediately and you'll be more often without a Barrier. Thus, you'll take more damage on your health and die more often just because you cannot sustain any Barrier. Avoiding Strength of Spirits will allow you to fill your Barrier easily and benefit from the 3 seconds delay before it starts decaying. You'll be able to sustain your Barrier the entire fight (most of the time at 100%) and thus you won't take damage to health or very rarely. Strength of Spirits is to avoid at all costs on AW for the time being because of the decay mechanic.

Hopefully next time you will bother to take the 2 seconds to read what i was replying to.  He was asking about Strength of Spirits on Keeper, not about AW.

[TheThirdRace]

Hopefully next time you will bother to take the 2 seconds to read what i was replying to.  He was asking about Strength of Spirits on Keeper, not about AW.

Indeed you were, I really thought you were saying it for the Arcane Warrior. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[LandarenRNS]

wait so you aren't getting conductive current then?

 

Oh and for keeper with out SoS you'll get man handled by Demon commander in perilous. best to just get SoS and stand there tanking the hits and fade cloaking out of the fears to re-barrier

[russ4ua16]

I haven't the last few times I promoted. My barrier is normally half to almost full. I get a complete barrier, maybe, eight times per perilous run. I'm 100% puggin tho and the dps is slow or dead often. Having no luck with weapons at 211 prestige.