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[Colonelkillabee]

I did not make it a competition of looks. You really need to learn to read:

 

 

Yea, I have a bias against Miranda, most certainly, and I openly admit that. Never tried hiding it either. It doesn't change what I'm saying though.

 

To your next comparison, I already said that Cassandra was given the Seeker position when she wanted the templars instead. She indeed had to be a Seeker instead,

 

Miranda didn't have to go to Cerberus for the same reason. She had to go to Cerberus because she needed, in her mind, to run away. Cassandra wasn't running away from anything, she was running towards something. Seeking a purpose, while Miranda had one and wanted to seek her own purpose and run from the one her father gave her. Actually, I think Miranda has more in common with Dorian than Cassandra in that regard.

 

That is the key difference between Cassandra and Miranda in my mind and what separates these two as characters. Maybe if you'd drop the insults, you could see what I'm trying to say.

 

You know how bad guys always throw that "We're not so different, you and I" statement and it's always bs? That's how I see this. Their situations on the surface are similar, but really completely different when it comes down to it. I'm not ****** with you, I just disagree. Shocker.

 

Also, the clothing comparison goes deeper than you think. As Miranda said, her looks her strength, biotics, all of it is meant to give her an edge. Her duties and skillset aren't the same as Cassandra's. Cassandra obviously has no need to use pretty looks, because her primary purpose is military. Miranda's more akin to Leliana in this regard, as Leliana is a killer and leader that uses looks to her advantage for diplomacy and political gain and so on.

 

Cassandra is a warrior and dresses to be practical. She does have need to be diplomatic at times, but like Cullen, she does so from a position of strength, rather than trying to entice someone or make them like her. Miranda's division in Cerberus isn't military after all, even if she does kill. It's research, I believe. That's another key difference between the two and why I brought up clothing, even though it was strongly colored by my dislike for characters like this who are passed as deadly skilled fighters.

 

You can make all sorts of connections between characters, just like the one I made with Miranda and Dorian. Doesn't mean they're really alike at all. Dorian's certainly not a stand in for Miranda Lawson.

 

You've been insulting me for quite some time and it really makes you the immature one.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I know, right? 90's Disney is almost always used to show Disney at its best. 

It's not inherently bad, but it's also not something that has a wide appeal. (Particularly to men who would interested in Josephine.) I like Josephine a lot and was originally excited about romancing her with my female Inquisitor, but ended up disappointed because the surface-level-ness of it is not what I personally look for in a romance.

[Nightdragon8]

Josei's romance is fine, alittle silly if not down right predictable. Doesn't mean its a bad choice.

[Gambit458]

I've hardly been insulting you bud. If I really wanted to insult you, I would have said a lot worse by now. You don't have freedom of speech on here. It's always amusing when people try to say they do when they're on the internet. You only have the freedom to say whatever you want so long as it doesn't break the rules. Funny how people forget that part. Yes you did make it a competition. Who besides you have been complaining about the way Miranda dresses? I am far from immature since I'm not the one going around broadcasting that I can say whatever I want and that my opinions are "ironclad."

[Colonelkillabee]

I've literally done nothing but express my opinion of a character which you took waaaaaay too personally, lol. If you feel that what I say breaks some sort of forum rule, then report it. Don't message me to whine more about it, don't be passive aggressive like some old woman. Just report it and let the mods tell me I can't say why I find Miranda to be so lame when compared to Cassandra as if they're similar.

 

And yes, all of the passive aggressiveness and insults is immature.

[Colonelkillabee]

And really, I've already said my piece and I'm not going to bicker with you and your hurt feelings any longer, so I'll go ahead and see myself out of the thread, regardless to who responds to me for your own good and mine. Good day to ya.

[Gambit458]

I've literally done nothing but express my opinion of a character which you took waaaaaay too personally, lol. If you feel that what I say breaks some sort of forum rule, then report it. Don't message me to whine more about it, don't be passive aggressive like some old woman. Just report it and let the mods tell me I can't say why I find Miranda to be so lame when compared to Cassandra as if they're similar.

 

And yes, all of the passive aggressiveness and insults is immature.

Boy, you really are something else. "Immature"..If you say so. Expressing your opinion? That's cool, so was I because you know..Freedom of speech and all. In the meantime, we'll get back to what this thread was suppose to be about. Cassandra and Josie

 

Now finally back on topic, I've played a little more on my Inquisition and I see what people mean about the whole "Disney" bit with Josie. With Cassandra though you don't got Leliana threatening you like you do if you romance Josie D: lol

[o Ventus]

Yea, I have a bias against Miranda, most certainly, and I openly admit that. Never tried hiding it either. It doesn't change what I'm saying though.

 

To your next comparison, I already said that Cassandra was given the Seeker position when she wanted the templars instead. She indeed had to be a Seeker instead,

 

Miranda didn't have to go to Cerberus for the same reason. She had to go to Cerberus because she needed, in her mind, to run away. Cassandra wasn't running away from anything, she was running towards something. Seeking a purpose, while Miranda had one and wanted to seek her own purpose and run from the one her father gave her. Actually, I think Miranda has more in common with Dorian than Cassandra in that regard.

 

That is the key difference between Cassandra and Miranda in my mind and what separates these two as characters. Maybe if you'd drop the insults, you could see what I'm trying to say.

 

You know how bad guys always throw that "We're not so different, you and I" statement and it's always bs? That's how I see this. Their situations on the surface are similar, but really completely different when it comes down to it. I'm not ****** with you, I just disagree. Shocker.

 

Also, the clothing comparison goes deeper than you think. As Miranda said, her looks her strength, biotics, all of it is meant to give her an edge. Her duties and skillset aren't the same as Cassandra's. Cassandra obviously has no need to use pretty looks, because her primary purpose is military. Miranda's more akin to Leliana in this regard, as Leliana is a killer and leader that uses looks to her advantage for diplomacy and political gain and so on.

 

Cassandra is a warrior and dresses to be practical. She does have need to be diplomatic at times, but like Cullen, she does so from a position of strength, rather than trying to entice someone or make them like her. Miranda's division in Cerberus isn't military after all, even if she does kill. It's research, I believe. That's another key difference between the two and why I brought up clothing, even though it was strongly colored by my dislike for characters like this who are passed as deadly skilled fighters.

 

You can make all sorts of connections between characters, just like the one I made with Miranda and Dorian. Doesn't mean they're really alike at all. Dorian's certainly not a stand in for Miranda Lawson.

If you openly admit to having a bias against Miranda, why did you ever begin talking about her then? Not to imply that you should only say something if you like her, but if you openly admit to not liking something and you respond to a comment or post that very clearly paints her in a positive light, what other reaction could you possibly have expected other than getting sh*t for it?

 

Miranda's work in Cerberus is almost exactly the same as Cassandra's for the Seekers and the Inquisition. Cassandra is a fighter and an executive officer. Likewise, Miranda is a soldier (also a scientist, if the opening to ME2 and her leading the Lazarus cell is taken into account) and is often the leader of the projects she's involved in. The reason she looks the way she does is because she's an inversion of the femme fatale in classic film noirs, whereas a typical femme fatale is a villain and tries to either seduce or kill the main hero (or both), Miranda does neither of these things, she only looks the part and has a background (insofar as her work with Cerberus, I mean) that fits the mold. Cassandra's primary purpose is military, and judging by literally everything we have ever seen Miranda do or hear her say she does, so is hers (though she also does a lot of science on top of shooting people).

 

I think I might be the only person to ever live who is able to recognize that the way a character looks in a game is often nothing more than the end-point of the artistic license taken by the artists and model designers. They wanted her to look like a femme fatale, so they did. That's the entire idea. Mordin's giant collar-thing also serves no purpose, it only exists to break up his silhouette and make him look different from other salarians, but I don't hear anyone saying anything about that.

 

The comparisons are a little more in-depth than "welp, they both have dark hair and are women. Clones!" but since you're so stuck in your view and unable to even consider otherwise, nothing I say will convince you (and so I probably just wasted time and effort typing this).

[Jaeger65]

Cassandra's romance is funnier imo, especially when you get to the part about her love for books, but Josie is alright too. If I had to pick between the two, I'd go with Cassandra. She feels like Miranda from Mass Effect where you think she's all cold and ice on the outside until you get to know her better. Harding can only be flirted with but no romance can be started. Don't know why Bioware includes that stuff if it can't go anywhere

A James Bondish/Moneypenny relationship.