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I really like Inquisition, but there are some plot inconsistencies for those of us who played as a male Cousland in Origins.

 

First, the whole "prince-consort" business needs to be resolved. We know the writing staff was given mixed signals on this during the development of Origins, with some lines stating the Cousland is king, and others stating he is prince-consort. This continued in DA2 when Bodahn states the Warden rules Ferelden. This contradiction of terms has also appeared in Inquisition, with Maquis DeRellion referring to the "monachs of Ferelden", meaning two, meaning the Cousland is also a monarch with Anora. Elan Ve'Mal also states in the Skyhold Garden that Adan served the King of Ferelden before the King was no longer there to serve. A direct statement that the Hero is king. The codex however states that the Hero is a prince-consort.

 

Definition: A prince consort is the husband of a queen regnant who is not himself a king in his own right.

 

The Cousland is a king in his own right because he declared it so at the Landsmeet, and the banns agreed to it, along with Anora being made queen.

 

I request that BioWare settle this issue in an upcoming patch, and that our male Cousland characters who married Anora be recognized as a joint-ruling king, not a prince or a consort.

 

This may seem like a re-write to some, but please consider the Landsmeet in Origins. When the Cousland is asked to settle the dispute and choose who will rule Ferelden, two options (in different outcomes) both state that the Cousland will rule along side Anora, NOT that Anora would be the sole monarch and that the Cousland would simply marry her. The choices were for joint rule. That is how they were worded. Also, the Landsmeet agreed to whatever the Cousland chose, which means he is the full fledged king by Ferelden law and Dragon Age lore.

 

Dragon Age Keep also states the Cousland and Anora both rule Ferelden.

 

The next issue is how Anora is described in Inquisition. Her codex calls her Anora Mac Tir, which is well enough I guess. It's using her maiden name. No big deal. However, if you side with the templars, Anora sends a letter that can be read at the war table. She signs this letter and the finalized thank you letter as "Queen Anora Theirin". This should state "Queen Anora Cousland", not Theirin.

 

Also, another member of the forum has noticed that a female human noble who marries Alistair does not have her name changed to Theirin. It still says "Cousland". This should also be fixed.

 

I don't know if these were oversights, or bugs, or intentional, but they are immersion breaking and obvious plot holes.

 

A similar plot hole exists with the Theirin banners shown everywhere, such as in the Hinterlands, but I suppose this can be tolerated or ignored. Still, the banners should be Cousland heraldry (not Theirin) in world states where the Cousland is king and Anora is now a Cousland as well.

 

I request that a patch be used to address these concerns out of respect for those players who have a Cousland King as their Origins character.

 

Thank you for your time.

 

Anyone else here who agrees, please leave a comment below.

 

EDIT: Since I seem to keep finding more and more evidence that the male Cousland is king, I will provide a list of that proof here. This post will be updated whenever I find new evidence.

 

 

Dragon Age Inquisition proof that the male Cousland is king, not consort:

 

  • Maquis DuRellion refers to both monarchs of Ferelden in his discussion with Josephine about Haven's lands.
  • Elan Ve'Mal states that Adan served the King of Ferelden until the king was no longer there to serve.
  • In banter with Sera, Dorian explains a teyrn is lower in rank only to the king's family.

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Pretty sure the devs have way more important things to do.
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More important than correcting plot inconsistencies in the game? The whole point of Dragon Age Keep was to make choices in Origins display accurately in Inquisition. This seems like priority number one, especially for those of us who have a male Cousland as their main character in Origins.


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Anora makes it clear you're her dish rag if you want to ally with her. I take the inconsistency to be more of an indication that there's a power struggle between the two.
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That would be particularly insulting to M!Cousland players. I'm sure most of us imagine a happy and prosperous relationship between the two. Besides, this isn't a matter of Anora still wrongly using the title of "prince-consort", as even she admits to be erroneous in Origins, this is about BioWare making codex entries out of it and clouding the issue of game lore.

 

Also, Anora makes nothing clear except that she does not want to be a consort. This is irrelevant however, as the only thing that matters is what the M!Cousland states at the Landsmeet.

 

Also, how can there be a power struggle unless the Cousland has ruling power to begin with?


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The title "Prince-Consort" does not mean that the monarch has no power, because the title of "Prince/King Consort" doesn't mean "doesn't rule".  It means "doesn't inherit".  The Warden just isn't a part of the succession system.  Meaning the Warden Cousland cannot automatically become King if Anora were to die(a Landsmeet would be required, and they'd probably put the Cousland on the throne, but it wouldn't be automatic like Anora taking over for Cailan was).  The Warden still rules the Kingdom, though(and Anora does, too).
 
As for Anora's last name, I see it as a way to keep her claim to the Throne.  Ferelden has this thing about "A Theirin must rule."  That and Anora changing her name to Cousland could imply that the Warden is a part of the succession system...


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Thanks for the reply, but none of that is correct. A consort has no power unless it is delegated to him or her. For example, when Anora was Cailan's consort, he delegated some administrative power to her. The whole point of there being a power struggle means that one side's power can't be taken away just as easily. So not only would the "prince-consort" need ruling power, he would also need legal authority to keep it. If Anora were the sole monarch she could simply take the consort's power away by mere decree.

 

As for inheritance, NO ONE inherits the throne. ALL new monarchs are elected by the banns in a Landsmeet. No exceptions. Cailan's election was the same way. And this was my point. The Landsmeet in Origins left it up to the Warden to decide. In the case of a male Coulsand, he can place himself and Anora on the throne together in equal, joint rule. That is what makes the Cousland a king, not a consort. BioWare should patch Inquisition to confirm this truth.

 

Also, you contradicted yourself. You said the consort does not inherit, but say Anora inherited the throne. She was a consort to Cailan. But like I wrote, no one inherits the throne, ever. Origins shows that Loghain tried to seize ruling power for himself after Ostagar, thus sparking the civil war. Loghain's plan was to assume ruling power as the sole remaining Teyrn in Ferelden, which is why the Couslands had to be eliminated first.

 

In the case of a male Cousland, he was legally the ruling power in Ferelden after Cailain died, since he was the only Cousland capable of carrying out the duties of Teyrn of Highever. When the king dies, the ruling power goes to the next highest ranking teyrn. And don't bring up Fergus, because he was M.I.A.

 

Regarding the Theirin name, the point was to have a bloodline descendant on the throne, not Anora. That was Eamon's whole point about deposing her.


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Are we really debating what a title means in a world that's been made up?  Prince-consort can mean whatever the devs say it means... and in this case it means the Warden has ruling authority along with the Queen.  

 

Anora was not princess-consort to Cailan.  She was his Queen. 



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Then why not call the Cousland "King"? Seriously, why are you people even arguing this? It's an obvious fact that the male Cousland becomes King if he marries Anora. It is stated in the game numerous times, as well as in DA2, DA:K, and DA:I. All I'm asking is that Inquisition be consistent with this pre-established fact in all instances of a King Cousland world state.

 

Correcting this in the next patch would not be difficult to do. It's a mere case of text swapping. Hardly a time consuming challenge for BioWare.

 

So would anyone else like to get on board with this proposal and post their support for it?



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Speaking of inconsistencies regarding a King/Prince-Consort Cousland-

 

Did anyone else who chose the Cousland/Anora ending also kept Connor alive and talk to him at Redcliffe? Because when I talked to him, he said he didn't understand why King Alistair said the mages could stay at Redcliffe, when Alistair is a drunk in the world state I imported for my character.


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Thanks for the reply, but none of that is correct. A consort has no power unless it is delegated to him or her. For example, when Anora was Cailan's consort, he delegated some administrative power to her. The whole point of there being a power struggle means that one side's power can't be taken away just as easily. So not only would the "prince-consort" need ruling power, he would also need legal authority to keep it. If Anora were the sole monarch she could simply take the consort's power away by mere decree.
 
As for inheritance, NO ONE inherits the throne. ALL new monarchs are elected by the banns in a Landsmeet. No exceptions. Cailan's election was the same way. And this was my point. The Landsmeet in Origins left it up to the Warden to decide. In the case of a male Coulsand, he can place himself and Anora on the throne together in equal, joint rule. That is what makes the Cousland a king, not a consort. BioWare should patch Inquisition to confirm this truth.
 
Also, you contradicted yourself. You said the consort does not inherit, but say Anora inherited the throne. She was a consort to Cailan. But like I wrote, no one inherits the throne, ever. Origins shows that Loghain tried to seize ruling power for himself after Ostagar, thus sparking the civil war. Loghain's plan was to assume ruling power as the sole remaining Teyrn in Ferelden, which is why the Couslands had to be eliminated first.
 
In the case of a male Cousland, he was legally the ruling power in Ferelden after Cailain died, since he was the only Cousland capable of carrying out the duties of Teyrn of Highever. When the king dies, the ruling power goes to the next highest ranking teyrn. And don't bring up Fergus, because he was M.I.A.
 
Regarding the Theirin name, the point was to have a bloodline descendant on the throne, not Anora. That was Eamon's whole point about deposing her.

 
Anora wasn't a consort of Cailen.  Anora was Queen.  However, she felt treated as a consort, because she felt Cailen could abandon her at any moment, marry someone else, and she'd lose all the power she had.  And she'd be correct on that account.
 
By declaring the Cousland a Prince/King-Consort, Anora is effectively saying that the Warden can do whatever he wants with regards to ruling and such, but if there were ever a serious disagreement, she would have all the power.  Because Anora is the queen, and if anything were to happen(sans death), she would stay queen.
 
All that said, a consort is usually seen to have no power, because they are, again, not in line for the succession.  So most don't do much of anything because it's not their legacy.  The Cousland Warden apparently doesn't care about that if they are ruling the land fairly... But my Cousland disappeared ~3 years into their reign, and Anora has, effectively, been Queen alone, regardless of what everyone thinks of the Warden.
 
And your point about Ferelden inheritance is valid, with one caveat:  The Cousland cannot "just" be King/Queen.  If s/he could, there wouldn't be a need for Anora/Alistair to marry.  Alistair is okay with equal standing, but for Anora to even agree to marriage the Cousland must accept that he's a consort.  As such, there is no contradiction.  The Cousland is King, but officially, he's still a just a consort due to his not being a part of the official line of succession.

 

 

Speaking of inconsistencies regarding a King/Prince-Consort Cousland-

 

Did anyone else who chose the Cousland/Anora ending also kept Connor alive and talk to him at Redcliffe? Because when I talked to him, he said he didn't understand why King Alistair said the mages could stay at Redcliffe, when Alistair is a drunk in the world state I imported for my character.

 

Connor alive with Alistair and Anora ruling together is a part of the default world state...  As much as you might think you imported a world state into Inquisition, you probably didn't.  Check the Hero of Ferelden Codex to verify it(can be obtained by examining the statue between the shops in Redcliffe).



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Speaking of inconsistencies regarding a King/Prince-Consort Cousland-

 

Did anyone else who chose the Cousland/Anora ending also kept Connor alive and talk to him at Redcliffe? Because when I talked to him, he said he didn't understand why King Alistair said the mages could stay at Redcliffe, when Alistair is a drunk in the world state I imported for my character.

 

Same thing happened to me and I had Warden Alistair show up later in the game.  Pretty sure this is a bug.



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Connor alive with Alistair and Anora ruling together is a part of the default world state...  As much as you might think you imported a world state into Inquisition, you probably didn't.  Check the Hero of Ferelden Codex to verify it(can be obtained by examining the statue between the shops in Redcliffe).

Thank you, but the reason I made that post was because I'd already triple checked my world state and wanted to see if anyone else with a similar world state had gotten the same oversight/bug/inconsistency/whatever you want to call it. I've since found a few other posts from people who had the same thing happen, which means it probably is just an oversight/bug/inconsistency/whatever and not a sign of an incorrect world state.


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Seems to me the Keep is buggy, and considering teh "beta testers" (yes I got invite in like a week before DA:I launch) all we did was test to see if the site worked, not if the world states ported over correctly which is what I thought was going to be done. Not a Q&A about if there site was easy to use or what not.. *sigh*

 

Makes me seriously wonder if compaines even know what Beta testers are sposed to be used for in the first place...



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I feel like the last name thing was probably a glitch or something. I'm sad that lady Couslands don't change their name either if they marry Alistair :( forever a Cousland. Seriously, Fergus is alive to carry on the name so let it go.


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I really like Inquisition, but there are some plot inconsistencies for those of us who played as a male Cousland in Origins.

 

First, the whole "prince-consort" business needs to be resolved. We know the writing staff was given mixed signals on this during the development of Origins, with some lines stating the Cousland is king, and others stating he is prince-consort. This continued in DA2 when Bodahn states the Warden rules Ferelden. This contradiction of terms has also appeared in Inquisition, with Maquis DeRellion referring to the "monachs of Ferelden", meaning two, meaning the Cousland is also a monarch with Anora. The codex however states that the Hero is a prince-consort.

 

 

News flash: Prince-consort IS a monarch. It just means he is a monarch who gained the throne by marrying the queen regnant rather than inheriting it in his own right. It's the same with a queen-consort who gains the throne by marrying a reigning king, rather than inheriting it in her own right as a queen regnant does.

 

 

And no, being a king or queen consort does not mean you're a concubine. Consort means "a husband or wife; spouse, especially of a reigning monarch." (source) So a queen-consort is the wife of a reigning king, who "usually shares her husband’s rank and holds the feminine equivalent of the king’s monarchical titles." (source) Prince-consort is just the gender-flipped version of a queen-consort. He shares his wife's rank and holds the masculine equivalent of the queen's monarchical title. However, because of archaic and backwards reasons, I guess title-namers of bygone days felt that the way to ensure a woman's power was to give her husband a title that sounded lesser than hers to remind him that he can't usurp her. It sucks, but there it is.

 

 

However, there is the less used "King-consort" title, which is basically the same exact title of a prince-consort (monarch who gained crown by marrying reigning queen), only it sounds more manly to save fragile egos. That's probably why BioWare uses Prince-consort and King-consort to describe Cousland so interchangeably. It's two different words to describe the same title.

 

 

You are quite literally whining about nothing. Your Prince-consort Cousland is the Ferelden monarch because he is legally married to, the spouse of, and shares the masculine (if castrated) equivalent of his wife's queenly title. He just rules through marriage to her while she rules in her own right. They use prince-consort and king-consort interchangably though because the titles are interchangeable; they're two different words for the same position.

 

 

Learn. Your. ****.


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I feel like OP's point is semantics. You can call me grand poohbah consort for all I care, that's really not the important bit. The important bit is all the bowing and the groveling that ensues from you being in power. 

 

Like does the difference in name really mean that much? Really? 



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@slmisfit Yes that bug is real. In my King Cousland world state Connor also refers to "King Alistair" even though he is a drunk. However, my codex entries show my Hero as king and Anora as queen. So that is a bug with Connor, not the Keep.

 

But if Alistair is showing up for other people, then that is a separate bug and might be related to Keep.

 

@AshenEndymion Yes, Anora was Cailan's consort. It is stated in the game. She even said "I have ruled Ferelden in all but name for the past five years". When she says "I am already queen" in front of Eamon, he corrects her. The whole point of the Landsmeet was to elect a new monarch. If Anora was already a regnant queen then there would have been no issue.

 

I know what Anora was declaring. My point is that what she declared is completely irrelevant to the fact that the male Cousland is king. He declared them joint rulers at the Landsmeet, which means they are joint rulers. End of story.

 

No, a consort is seen to have no power because they have no power, unless delegated by the monarch. This has nothing to do with inheritance because the Ferelden throne is not inherited. It doesn't matter how it works in the real world because the subject is Ferelden, which is in the Dragon Age universe.

 

The need to marry Anora is a gameplay mechanic. BioWare couldn't animate or voice a male Cousland giving all the necessary speeches or displaying in the necessary cut-scenes. Marriage is not required to be monarch. The Cousland could have declared himself king alone, from a storyline standpoint. From a gameplay standpoint BioWare knew that the Hero could not be used in cut-scenes and would be used again in future installments, thus compelling a joint-ruling monarch. And in case you don't believe this, consider Bryce Cousland. He was a valid pick to succeed Maric, and many thought he should have been elected king instead of Cailan. So it all comes down to who is elected. It has nothing to do with Anora or Alistair.

 

You agree my argument about there not being a line of succession is valid, yet you finish by saying there is a line of succession. There isn't one. And the Cousland agrees to no such thing with Anora. She demands the Cousland be a consort, sure, but he never agrees to it. Go back and check his response if you don't believe me. It is worded to dodge her request and agree to something different. He only says, "Very well. Marry me and you'll have my support." Also, this line can follow a different statement made by Anora about how she doesn't want to be another figurehead. Which means the Cousland is only agreeing to support Anora to the throne as queen, not that he agrees to be her consort. But again, that is irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is what the Cousland says to the banns at the Landsmeet, which is that they will rule jointly.

 

Also, if you already agree that the Cousland is king, then why are you arguing this? You should support BioWare changing the prince-consort language to king in order to reflect the facts.

 

If you have any other arguments to make, please send me a private message about it. This thread is meant to gain support for the above requests.

 

@Nightdragon8 Yes, BioWare should have let us beta test Inquisition. Would have saved them a lot of trouble. But I don't think that bug is a Keep issue. I think it's an Inquisition issue. The codex displays properly, after all.

 

@Nefla The female Cousland SHOULD change her name in that case. I am for adding this concern to the above requests.

 

@Faerunner No it doesn't. A consort is not a monarch. You're just plain wrong and you don't even understand the sources you posted. And in any case, the Cousland is not a consort. That's the point. He stated they would rule jointly at the Landsmeet, and Anora also calls him "king" in the game. So either add your support for the above requests, or just leave. This isn't the place for debating this issue.

 

@actionhero112 Yes, the title makes all the difference. It is a FACT that the male Cousland becomes king if he declares joint rule in the Landsmeet, and it is more respectful to we the players to recognize our custom characters as what they are. It also adds to a better story regarding the male Cousland and Anora as equals, and as peers.


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Seems to me the Keep is buggy, and considering teh "beta testers" (yes I got invite in like a week before DA:I launch) all we did was test to see if the site worked, not if the world states ported over correctly which is what I thought was going to be done. Not a Q&A about if there site was easy to use or what not.. *sigh*
 
Makes me seriously wonder if compaines even know what Beta testers are sposed to be used for in the first place...

The keep was open beta month or 2 before release.
 
You weren't there to test the import function.
 
Here's wikipedia

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Although really neither of the two have any actual power but it's as close a description as you are going to get. Anora runs Ferelden while also delegating some responsibility to Cousland. By the time of DA:I the warden has run off leaving her alone to govern



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^He's referring to the export option, which none of us got to test.

 

Also, thanks for posting a clear definition of "consort". That's my point. The Cousland is not what you posted, and that's what the game makes it seem like when it erroneously refers to him as such.

 

The Cousland and Anora rule jointly, as he stated at the Landsmeet. The banns elect the monarchs, and they agreed to go by whatever the Cousland declared.

 

The Cousland did not run off. That was always the point behind joint rule. They would rule together except in times when the Cousland would have to leave to handle business elsewhere. In which case Anora would rule alone until her husband's return, at which time they would rule jointly again.



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Yeah reckon you're right. Should be joint rule. Otherwise what's the point of Warden marrying her? It's not like they've been secretly in love this whole tiOH WAIT HAVE THEY

The advantage to Anora/Warden is that the Warden is still from a noble line. Not Therin, but Cousland is apparently one rung below so in the loss of Alis AND Anora, a surviving Cousland (Fergus) would likely have ended up there anyway.

 

As a Cousland, you should also be familiar with the requirements and responsibilities of nobility (as well as whatever machinations are typical in Fereldan). In fact the only reason I don't think Alis/Warden is the best pair (a combo of blood, and noble experience, and probably with genuine affection to boot) is that, both being wardens, the court will think it is a Grey Warden attempt at power (quite apart from the no-heir, problems-later thing, which they cannot yet know).


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I agree with the original poster. Also, Anora tells the people when she makes the engagement announcement that he will be their king.


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@AshenEndymion Yes, Anora was Cailan's consort. It is stated in the game. She even said "I have ruled Ferelden in all but name for the past five years". When she says "I am already queen" in front of Eamon, he corrects her. The whole point of the Landsmeet was to elect a new monarch. If Anora was already a regnant queen then there would have been no issue.

 

I know what Anora was declaring. My point is that what she declared is completely irrelevant to the fact that the male Cousland is king. He declared them joint rulers at the Landsmeet, which means they are joint rulers. End of story.

 

No, a consort is seen to have no power because they have no power, unless delegated by the monarch. This has nothing to do with inheritance because the Ferelden throne is not inherited. It doesn't matter how it works in the real world because the subject is Ferelden, which is in the Dragon Age universe.

 

The need to marry Anora is a gameplay mechanic. BioWare couldn't animate or voice a male Cousland giving all the necessary speeches or displaying in the necessary cut-scenes. Marriage is not required to be monarch. The Cousland could have declared himself king alone, from a storyline standpoint. From a gameplay standpoint BioWare knew that the Hero could not be used in cut-scenes and would be used again in future installments, thus compelling a joint-ruling monarch. And in case you don't believe this, consider Bryce Cousland. He was a valid pick to succeed Maric, and many thought he should have been elected king instead of Cailan. So it all comes down to who is elected. It has nothing to do with Anora or Alistair.

 

You agree my argument about there not being a line of succession is valid, yet you finish by saying there is a line of succession. There isn't one. And the Cousland agrees to no such thing with Anora. She demands the Cousland be a consort, sure, but he never agrees to it. Go back and check his response if you don't believe me. It is worded to dodge her request and agree to something different. He only says, "Very well. Marry me and you'll have my support." Also, this line can follow a different statement made by Anora about how she doesn't want to be another figurehead. Which means the Cousland is only agreeing to support Anora to the throne as queen, not that he agrees to be her consort. But again, that is irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is what the Cousland says to the banns at the Landsmeet, which is that they will rule jointly.

 

Also, if you already agree that the Cousland is king, then why are you arguing this? You should support BioWare changing the prince-consort language to king in order to reflect the facts.

 

If you have any other arguments to make, please send me a private message about it. This thread is meant to gain support for the above requests.

 

Again, it's never said in game that Anora was a Queen-consort.  Not in a codex entry, nor stated by anyone.  The only thing close to that is when Anora says that "she felt as though she were just a consort" to Cailen, and that she'd never allow it to happen again.

 

In Ferelden, the line of succession may not matter because the Arls, Banns, and Teyrns can always choose someone different to rule.  But that doesn't mean the Line of Succession doesn't exist.  Because if it didn't exist, the Cousland Warden wouldn't even have a claim to Highever after Bryce dies(because the Arls and Banns of Highever declared for Howe)...

 

And yes, I agree that the Cousland Warden is the King of Ferelden.  I disagree, however, with the idea that there is a conflict when Codex entries say that the Cousland Warden is King/Prince-consort.  The people in Thedas don't care about the complexities of the politics involved with the various thrones.  To them, the Cousland is the King, and that's all that matters.  But that doesn't change the fact that the Cousland is a King-consort.  Nor does it change the fact that the Codex entries written about the Cousland Warden, are done by historians(usually Genetivi) who are usually keen in getting those little details right.



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Thank you aprice7.

 

Ashen, so basically your support hinges on the definition of "consort"? Okay then, consort means the spouse of the monarch. A consort is not a monarch.

 

You agree the male Cousland can become a joint ruling monarch. Therefore you must agree that his title is "king", not "consort" or "prince".

 

Now then, I have an important update! I have found another line of dialogue in Dragon Age Inquisition that refers to the Hero of Ferelden as "king".

 

In the Skyhold garden there in an elf who takes over for Adan. If you ask her where she studied (in a male Cousland king world state) she says the following...

"I studied with Adan after he left the service of the King of Ferelden. Well, when the king was no longer there to serve."

 

So there you have it. Dragon Age Inquisition does call the Hero of Ferelden "king". Stroud will refer to him as "prince-consort to Anora". So this mix-up of "king" vs. "consort" continues even now.

 

Again, I ask BioWare to resolve this mix-up by patching the dialogue to recognize the male Cousland as a joint ruling king to Queen Anora Cousland, just as was stated in Origins.



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In contrast to someone who fails to have anything better to do than trash what someone else wants.

Pretty sure the devs have way more important things to do.

Um, you must have had a very low Cunning score because Anora always treated my Couslands as joint rulers.  Furthermore, drinking the potion and keeping Avernus alive should effectively make him 'immune' to an actual Calling let alone Corypheus's false 'Calling'.

Anora makes it clear you're her dish rag if you want to ally with her. I take the inconsistency to be more of an indication that there's a power struggle between the two.

And you miss the OP's entire point.  The writers/devs fail to be CONSISTENT.  Do people really think raining on someone else's sunshine makes them look kewl or something?  If so they're wrong.

Are we really debating what a title means in a world that's been made up?  Prince-consort can mean whatever the devs say it means... and in this case it means the Warden has ruling authority along with the Queen.  

 

Anora was not princess-consort to Cailan.  She was his Queen. 

Wardens are also supposed to be prohibited from RULING.  Yet exactly that is given as an option.  Along with Mages, and yet in Inquisition even that 'prohibition' can seemingly be lifted depending on the Inquisitor's choices.  Especially if the Inquisitor IS a mage.

 

You apparently slept through the entire Landsmeet.  They gave the WARDEN the CHOICE, instead of Anora.  Therefore all power flows through him/her.  The Warden is marrying Anora/Alistair then any power they have is because the Warden choose JOINT RULE in the Landsmeet.  Seriously, what part of Join Rule is ambiguous?

 
Anora wasn't a consort of Cailen.  Anora was Queen.  However, she felt treated as a consort, because she felt Cailen could abandon her at any moment, marry someone else, and she'd lose all the power she had.  And she'd be correct on that account.
 
By declaring the Cousland a Prince/King-Consort, Anora is effectively saying that the Warden can do whatever he wants with regards to ruling and such, but if there were ever a serious disagreement, she would have all the power.  Because Anora is the queen, and if anything were to happen(sans death), she would stay queen.
 
All that said, a consort is usually seen to have no power, because they are, again, not in line for the succession.  So most don't do much of anything because it's not their legacy.  The Cousland Warden apparently doesn't care about that if they are ruling the land fairly... But my Cousland disappeared ~3 years into their reign, and Anora has, effectively, been Queen alone, regardless of what everyone thinks of the Warden.
 
And your point about Ferelden inheritance is valid, with one caveat:  The Cousland cannot "just" be King/Queen.  If s/he could, there wouldn't be a need for Anora/Alistair to marry.  Alistair is okay with equal standing, but for Anora to even agree to marriage the Cousland must accept that he's a consort.  As such, there is no contradiction.  The Cousland is King, but officially, he's still a just a consort due to his not being a part of the official line of succession.

 

 

 

Connor alive with Alistair and Anora ruling together is a part of the default world state...  As much as you might think you imported a world state into Inquisition, you probably didn't.  Check the Hero of Ferelden Codex to verify it(can be obtained by examining the statue between the shops in Redcliffe).

I agree that it would be nice if BioWare spent some Qi on consistency with the codex.  However I believe a player's choices hold a lot more cannon weight than what the devs/writers choose to write in any given codex entry in whatever game is in question.

 

Such as, I played a Cousland and I married Anora.  I let drank the potion at Soldier's Peak and I let Avernus continue his research.  Logic dictates Avernus is immune to the actual 'Calling'.  That means that the Cousland is 'immune' to Corypheus's false 'calling'.

 

I ignore any dialogue in Inquisition that suggests anything other than my Cousland and Anora are continuing to rule Ferelden and have a few of their own children by now.  The end result is I am a lot happier with the game over all even if I have to 'skip' some dialogue because the writers were lazy and chose to ignore their job.


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