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[Spectre Impersonator]

Pretty sure the devs have way more important things to do.

You wouldn't know it from their presence here... or lack thereof. As far as we know, they just believe they've released a flawless GOTY. 

[Jax Sparrow]

oh and Anora's surname is obviously Cousland.  Landsmeet is the one who decided who ruled.  Eamon is the only one clinging to the "a Theirin must rule", yet even he shuts up about it in the actual Landsmeet.

 

Simply choose to ignore the writers/devs who chose to be lazy instead of doing their job.

[In Exile]

Then why not call the Cousland "King"? Seriously, why are you people even arguing this? It's an obvious fact that the male Cousland becomes King if he marries Anora. It is stated in the game numerous times, as well as in DA2, DA:K, and DA:I. All I'm asking is that Inquisition be consistent with this pre-established fact in all instances of a King Cousland world state.

Correcting this in the next patch would not be difficult to do. It's a mere case of text swapping. Hardly a time consuming challenge for BioWare.

So would anyone else like to get on board with this proposal and post their support for it?

No. Anora *tells you straight up* you will not be King if you marry her. She tells you *straight up* that she will be the one who has power in that relationship. You were never going to be King.

[Dai Grepher]

Thanks Jax Sparrow. It's refreshing to see someone else who recognizes and respects the black and white FACTS of the game.

 

In Exile, what Anora tells us is completely irrelevant. She is not the one who decides such things. The Warden is the one who made the proclamation at the Landsmeet, and if he chooses joint rule, then joint rule is how it is. What Anora thinks doesn't matter. Besides, my character never got those responses from Anora anyway. Also, Anora will admit that "prince-consort" is incorrect if you press her on it.

 

Also, what about the new proof I found? If you talk to Elan Ve'Mal in the Skyhold Garden, she says the following, "I studied with Adan after he left the service of the King of Ferelden. Well, when the king was no longer there to serve." This is a direct reference to the M!Cousland as King, as my worldstate reflects that he and Anora rule jointly.

 

So what is your answer to that In Exile?

[X Equestris]

oh and Anora's surname is obviously Cousland.  Landsmeet is the one who decided who ruled.  Eamon is the only one clinging to the "a Theirin must rule", yet even he shuts up about it in the actual Landsmeet.
 
Simply choose to ignore the writers/devs who chose to be lazy instead of doing their job.

We have no evidence that a woman must take her husband's surname, so I'm not sure what you're on about.

[In Exile]

Thanks Jax Sparrow. It's refreshing to see someone else who recognizes and respects the black and white FACTS of the game.

In Exile, what Anora tells us is completely irrelevant. She is not the one who decides such things. The Warden is the one who made the proclamation at the Landsmeet, and if he chooses joint rule, then joint rule is how it is. What Anora thinks doesn't matter. Besides, my character never got those responses from Anora anyway. Also, Anora will admit that "prince-consort" is incorrect if you press her on it.

Also, what about the new proof I found? If you talk to Elan Ve'Mal in the Skyhold Garden, she says the following, "I studied with Adan after he left the service of the King of Ferelden. Well, when the king was no longer there to serve." This is a direct reference to the M!Cousland as King, as my worldstate reflects that he and Anora rule jointly.

So what is your answer to that In Exile?

It matters what Anora says because she's the one who's granted power by the Landsmeet. You don't have the power to name yourself King. It's why you cannot rule in your own right.

Anora will tell you - even if you press her - that she will firmly plant her fist between your lungs and colon and move you like a puppet, i.e., the partnership is not equal.

That other people call you a King in DAI has nothing to do with what DAO did. There's an inconsistency - sure - but the inconsistency is in you *ever* being called a King.

[Dai Grepher]

You're wrong In Exile. All power flows through the banns collectively, and they all agreed to abide by the decision of the one who won the duel (The Warden). Well, the M!Cousland can declare that he will rule and Anora will be queen. So that right there proves you wrong.

 

The Cousland can declare himself king along with Anora being queen.

 

If you're referring to the plot mechanic of not being able to rule by yourself, that is a matter of storyline and gameplay. The law states that Teyrn of Highever can indeed rule alone, as Bryce was considered by many over Cailan.

 

Please read what I write. Anora's statements do not matter. The Landsmeet goes by what the Cousland says in that instance, not Anora. And like I wrote, she admits the "consort" thing is bogus anyway if you press her on it.

 

Why do you ignore facts In Exile? The Cousland clearly declares joint rule at the Landsmeet. The fact that DA:I calls him "King" in some cases but "prince-consort" in others is proof that BioWare still doesn't have its story straight.

 

The point of this thread is to make BioWare aware of this fact and to correct it by making all references to the Cousland consistent as him being the official King of Ferelden, which he is according to Dragon Age Origins.

[Koneko Koji]

I've never played this route - but I would point out, that when you speak to the gardener, you get the same dialogue if you have King Alistair, so I would assume that the King which Adan served was Cailan.

[Dai Grepher]

If she were talking about Cailan, then it would have been worded as, "...after he left the service of the King of Ferelden. Well, after the king died at Ostagar". Saying "he was no longer there to serve" indicates that the king left, which is what the Hero of Ferelden does. According to the comic, a king Alistair also leaves to find Maric. So that works for either of them.

 

Also consider the fact that she said she studied with Adan after he left the King's service, not that she was taught by him. This implies that they took classes together. Took classes where? Lake Calanhad's Circle, Kinloch Hold most likely. If the king she was referencing were Cailan, that would have been 10 years before. Ancient history. What has she done in those 10 years besides study with Adan? Surely something more noteworthy than that. But, if she was talking about the Hero King, then it makes sense. Adan left the Hero King's service when he disappeared, which was only 3 years ago. Adan went to Kinloch Hold, which was stable thanks to the Hero, and there Adan and Elan Ve'Mal studied together.

 

So how could the two of them have studied together after Cailan died and Ferelden went to the dogs because of Loghain? Kinloch Hold was besieged by demons and bloodmages after Ostagar. So this couldn't be Cailan she was referring to.

 

I have also found yet more proof that the M!Cousland is king. Party banter between Dorian and Sera features a back-and-forth where they insult each other's countries. Dorian's country is Tevinter, and Sera's country is Ferelden. One insult has Dorian saying the term "teyrn". Sera stops the insult match to accuse Dorian of making that word up. Dorian then explains what a teyrn is by saying it is a noble title to those only beneath the rank of the king's family. Remember, this is in a world state in which the Cousland rules with Anora.

 

So, if Anora is the sole monarch and the M!Cousland is just a prince-consort and not king, then why does Dorian refer to the "king's family" and not the "queen's family"?

[Brother Of Orlais]

Couslands, Is really second to Royal family I think placing warden as King will make them Dang there Controlling it.

[Aren]

Technically he is the Prince Consort or King consort, Anora doesn't want her power questioned.  Which is funny since the Couslands are a long established noble line well respected by the people while Anora is the daughter of a peasant raised to nobility who was just killed for treason and has not even conceived a royal heir.

This Male Cousland of that world state is pretty much the most overpowered character (in terms of Influence and power) among all the possible HoF combination (much more than Lady Cousland for what i had stated before and because Kieran can be directly his son), Second only to the Emperor or Emperess of Orlais  in power but not in reputation, if Kieran exist in that world state then he is even a suitable Heir.

[vertigomez]

Noooo, why was this ridiculous thread necro'd?

[Coyote X Starrk]

On the list of things that need to be done. 

 

 

This literally needs to not even be on that list 

[HarbingerCollector]

as first thing,i'll say that i fully agree with you,OP
as a HNM player who married Anora and became King,i'm dissapointed in seeing that it's never properly referenced 
for example a HNF married to Alistair is referenced in DAI as "Queen" while she should just be princess-consort,while the HNM married to Anora is referenced as "Prince-Consort"  and i consider it stupid

i think that the PC was King for several reasons

1)at the Landsmeet,you specifically said "I'll rule with her" not "Anora will be sole queen and i'm marrying her",for that line alone the warden is declared rightful King of Ferelden

2)Later,at the Post coronation,Anora declares that you'll be the new King
"Ladies and Gentlemen,Allow me to formally introduce my bethroed,who shall soon be your king"
if i'm just a prince,why announce me as King?
because i am one
if was just her future husband then the dialogue should have been
"who shall soon be my husband"


3)up to the Post coronation the HN is the last of the most powerful noble family in Ferelden after the Royal Family,so he holds a lot of power and if Alistair renounced his claim on the throne (that's exactly what he did after killing Loghain)
The cousland would likely be elected King.

4)The Landsmeet nobles agreed for the HNM to rule jointly with Anora,not that Anora will be Queen alone,so he must be referenced as king,not some "Prince-consort",it's the landsmeet that decides,not Anora

5)Anora was technically princess-consort as well,since she gained her status by marrying Cailan a month after his coronation.so her claim on the throne is weak,plus,Anora is the daughter of a commoner raised to Nobility,while the Cousland bloodline is older than the Theirin bloodline itself,so who's has the better claim between the two? she is no more Theirin than Rica Brosca is Aeducan.

6)in DA2 multiple NPCs specifically mention the warden as King,further confirm his claim

7)The Ending slides mention the warden and Anora ended up fightning for the throne,meaning that he didn't accept the "prince-consort" idiocy,but here in DA:I is still unclarified and called "Prince-consort" by Loghain even if he knows that his son-in-law is the King of Ferelden.
it should be like this
"The man you are speaking of is my son-in-law,the HoF,Warden Commander of Ferelden and the King of Ferelden."

8)The Prince title is given only to the immediate family of the ruler,not the spouse.and the HNM is not a brother to Anora,so he's king,and the prince has no meaning
because the prince can be an advisor at best,but the advisor role is already taken up by a warden who is not married to Anora and decides to be Chancellor.so why become prince when i can be a Chancellor?
because King is what the Warden is.
 

strangely some npc lines in Inquistion refer the Warden as king  but in the majority is referred as "prince-Consort"

so it must be like this

1)The devs think of the HNM as a "prince" or someone that don't have any powers beside a title
which would make the option of marrying Anora pointless.
why i married her then?i can just f*** Leliana or Morrigan if i want someone for my character to be with.

2)the devs think of the HNM as king,but for some reason they keep calling the PC prince consort,why keep call him like that? if he's king call him King all the times

The HNF is referenced in DAI in all mentions as "Queen" and she gained the throne by marrying Alistair,even if you aren't in a romance with Alistair.

The HNM,married to Anora instead of Alistair gaining the throne. is referenced as "prince-consort"
If these two used the same way to get on the throne,then why the male cousland hasn't the King title but the female Cousland has "Queen"?
i take that Bioware has preference for female players?

don't say "you don't just become king by marrying a Queen" 
then why HNF is queen and not princess consort?
you don't just become Queen by marrying the current King.

in short:Fix the statements and make the HNM who married Anora King,or correct every mention of HNF who married Alistair to "princess-consort"

 

Noooo, why was this ridiculous thread necro'd?

ridicolous?this thread is no more ridicolous than the ridicolous "request romance" threads
 

 

On the list of things that need to be done. 

 

 

This literally needs to not even be on that list 
 

Ah-ah-ah! so funny!

seriously this is a continuity problem,something that needs to be adressed,like Leliana's death in Origins and boons not mattering
this is must be fixed
 

[Fireheart]

I guess it would take a simple explanatory sentence from a dev to explain whether it's Prince-Consort or King, but, you know... They don't come here anymore...

[HarbingerCollector]

I guess it would take a simple explanatory sentence from a dev to explain whether it's Prince-Consort or King, but, you know... They don't come here anymore...

yes,but it's necessary that they correct the statements as a start,as long they say that both the Warden and Anora rule ferelden,then the references should be properly done but for now they are half-a*****
maybe they could do a landsmeet or a specific event to explain that no matter what Anora thinks,that the Warden is by all means and rights,a King and should be called like it.
the devs don't care as long their "canon" it's respected (Alistair is King in all DA Books.but those aren't official lore) they would just look the other way
if i had a choice,then it must matter,not every single choice,but the major choices such as this must be respected.
they don't  support my world state because Alistair is a drunk and i'm King,probably because they assume that 99% of players would follow their "canon"

[Fireheart]

Well maybe he actually IS a prince consort, but the commoners don't know what that is, or they don't care, and so just plainly call him the king. Also, when you meet Alinora together at Redcliffe, Fiona calls each of them King Alistair, Queen Anora.

[Patchwork]

It makes sense if BW have adopted English laws which might have changed by now but historically a man can't take on the titles of his wife whereas a woman can take on the titles of her husband.

A King or Queen who are the regnant have consorts, the problem is a king outranks a queen and you can't have the person marrying the ruler outrank them so the man gets a lesser looking title but they mean the same thing: person who is married to the sovereign. 

 

HNF's title of Queen Consort isn't better than the HNM's Prince Consort it's just social hierarchy with a load of sexism thrown in.  

[HarbingerCollector]

It makes sense if BW have adopted English laws which might have changed by now but historically a man can't take on the titles of his wife whereas a woman can take on the titles of her husband.

A King or Queen who are the regnant have consorts, the problem is a king outranks a queen and you can't have the person marrying the ruler outrank them so the man gets a lesser looking title but they mean the same thing: person who is married to the sovereign. 

 

HNF's title of Queen Consort isn't better than the HNM's Prince Consort it's just social hierarchy with a load of sexism thrown in.  

first,this is not English monarchy,this is Ferelden monarchy,which is very different.
The Landsmeet declares King and\or Queen 
since Anora wasn't Queen after Cailan died,Loghain tried to force Anora on the throne and tried to declare himself the regent.
that's why there was a civil war and why the landsmeet was required: To declare who will rule Ferelden.

many of the nobles rebelled,Anora has no right to tell who is the regnant leader,she can't put herself on the throne alone without any support or the declaration of the landsmeet.
if Anora was Queen already then a civil war wouldn't have happened.

two,if the King outranks a Queen,then why Alistair and Anora rule jointly and both of them are referred as the rulers? by your logic then Anora would be useless and Alistair is the only one that has the power and i should only put Alistair on the Throne,so the Warden and Anora have the same chance,if not better.

three,the HNF with Alistair isn't referred as "Queen-consort" but as the actual Queen,which makes a large difference,and she did the same as the HMN who married Anora,but the latter is constantly called a prince consort which is annoying

four, you are the actual king not because you married Anora but because you were declared so at the landsmeet.just look at the line in the landsmeet "i'll rule with x" not "x will be only ruler and i'm marrying him\her".

 

Well maybe he actually IS a prince consort, but the commoners don't know what that is, or they don't care, and so just plainly call him the king. Also, when you meet Alinora together at Redcliffe, Fiona calls each of them King Alistair, Queen Anora.

he's not because he didn't just married the queen after her coronation,he was elected  at the landsmeet,which was before the coronation and before their marriage,so he's 100% King
ironically Anora was princess-consort or "queen consort" because she married Cailan AFTER his coronation.
also as the (back then) last member of the highest noble family after the king himself,then the HNM would have a right to be elected,since Anora's claim was only to be the widow of the regnant King,like as Alistair's claim,he may be the "bastard" son of former King Maric,but that doesn't make him automatically King,an election is required
Alistair\Anora would have only an easier chance at getting elected.

probably they don't call the HNM King because they didn't care to make a whole different line and since the King dissapeared a while ago then she wouldn't say "King Cousland!" where he isn't there.

maybe the commoners wouldn't care,maybe he was actually the King
if he was prince consort then the HNF is a princess consort as well,because she did the exact same thing, declaring at the landsmeet that they will rule with the aspiring ruler,not that they will be just their consort.
if the warden is just a consort why the HNF is referenced as "Queen" in DA:I?
"Leliana the Mistress to the Queen of Ferelden"  while the male "Leliana the mistress to the Prince-consort of Ferelden"?????  when it should be "Leliana the mistress to the King of Ferelden"
if they are the same they must be refenced equally,not just because one is female must be treated better.

[Dai Grepher]

Patchwork, King and Queen are equal titles. What makes either of them less is when the term "consort" is applied. So if BioWare wanted the M!Cousland to be less than Anora, his title would be king-consort all throughout. But it isn't. So far he has been called king, king-consort, prince-consort, and prince. Which is just contradictory.

 

A big thanks to HarbingerCollector for the detailed reply. I think the main problem here is that those who programed the texts into the game were not the same ones who wrote them. So something was lost in translation so to speak. I think the story was that the M!Cousland does become king, but Anora is afraid that she will be pushed out of the picture. Understandable that she would have trust issues after all that has happened to her. So she tried to make less of the Cousland's position by telling him he is her consort, even while publically recognizing him as king. This is because their "agreement" at Eamon's estate was only between them. She is trying to hold the Cousland to that "agreement". Legally speaking, they are joint rulers.

 

I think the writers were going for a story where the player who picked this option would understand that their character is king, but has some degree of politics to unravel while ruling along side Anora, who will keep vying for control. That's why the epilogue states that both of them are said to possibly usher in a new golden age, if they don't end up vying for control of the throne.

 

The problem comes in when the coders type the storyline into the game. They were probably under the impression that the Cousland is not king. Although other coders got it right and do program their assigned texts to accurately reflect that the Cousland is king.

 

That's my theory on why this problem exists, even today for Inquisition. Also, I'm not sure if the ending slide says that they absolutely do fight for control, only that it is possible that they might. This alone is more proof that the Cousland is not some powerless consort. He is indeed a joint ruler. Only someone equal to Anora could possibly vie for control of the throne. A prince would have no standing or leverage to do so at all.

[HarbingerCollector]

Patchwork, King and Queen are equal titles. What makes either of them less is when the term "consort" is applied. So if BioWare wanted the M!Cousland to be less than Anora, his title would be king-consort all throughout. But it isn't. So far he has been called king, king-consort, prince-consort, and prince. Which is just contradictory.

 

A big thanks to HarbingerCollector for the detailed reply. I think the main problem here is that those who programed the texts into the game were not the same ones who wrote them. So something was lost in translation so to speak. I think the story was that the M!Cousland does become king, but Anora is afraid that she will be pushed out of the picture. Understandable that she would have trust issues after all that has happened to her. So she tried to make less of the Cousland's position by telling him he is her consort, even while publically recognizing him as king. This is because their "agreement" at Eamon's estate was only between them. She it trying to hold the Cousland to that "agreement". Legally speaking, they are joint rulers.

 

I think the writers were going for a story where the player who picked this option would understand that their character is king, but has some degree of politics to unravel while ruling along side Anora, who will keep vying for control. That's why the epilogue states that both of them are said to possibly usher in a new golden age, if they don't end up vying for control of the throne.

 

The problem comes in when the coders type the storyline into the game. They were probably under the impression that the Cousland is not king. Although other coders got it right and do program their assigned texts to accurately reflect that the Cousland is king.

 

That's my theory on why this problem exists, even today for Inquisition. Also, I'm not sure if the ending slide says that they absolutely do fight for control, only that it is possible that they might. This alone is more proof that the Cousland is not some powerless consort. He is indeed a joint ruler. Only someone equal to Anora could possibly vie for control of the throne. A prince would have no standing or leverage to do so at all.

Thank you!
i think that Bioware was too inspired from British monarchy and apparently they didn't give the MHN the "King" title because apparently outranks the queen,but i think that's stupid because "Queen" and "King" are the same
they give "prince consort" to make the Queen feel more secure of herself so that she thinks that she holds control over her husband
while the male doesn't care,as he gives to her spouse the Queen title
feminism equality at its finest
Woman treated better than a man= "Equal you jelly?"
Man treated better than Woman="You sexist pig"! .
as i said before,the HNM is not a consort because he was never one.as he was elected at the Landsmeet.
1)this again,is not english monarchy, so Bioware can leave the ridicolous "prince-consort" "king-consort" out of the way,hell,even dwarven politics are much better than this consort nonsense!
2)i refuse to be the royal  plaything to keep her company while at court just to make a pretty face.
3)even if we go to the logic of "become not-king because you married the queen" you were elected before the wedding,during the landsmeet,so you're not a consort
4)Anora was not even queen so she's not the one that declares who is or who is not the ruler.

that is what bothers me:
From Wikipedia 

prince consort is the husband of a Queen Regnant who is not himself a king in his own right.

In recognition of his status, a prince consort may be given a formal title, such as Prince, Prince Consort  or King Consort, with 'Prince' being the most common. However, most monarchies do not have formal rules on the styling of princess consort, and a prince consort may have no royal title.


The MHN cousland is king in his own right,only that bioware somehow doesn't like that so they are slapping "prince-consort" from the english monarchy so they don't have to deal with this choice .
Illusion of choice, they heavily implied that Anora no matter what is the leader as her appearance with a Cousland husband king is the same as a sole queen Anora 
while i don't accept that as by Ferelden law we were elidgible to be king and we were elected.
for lazyness or "for equality" bioware didn't respect that decision

if not why we were given the option to become king at the landsmeet?
why marry Anora if i'm just her plaything to keep her company while at court?
if you were non-human origin it would have been acceptable to be just prince consort at best,but  human noble should be King as by the Ferelden rule you are the most powerful family in Ferelden and your father was more favourited as candidate to be king instead of Cailan.
you,his son,the Hero of Ferelden who saved Ferelden from the blight,teryn of Gwaren\Highever,Arl of Aramanthine,the saviour of Redcliffe and found the sacred ashes of Andraste
VS 
a "Queen" who only happened to be wife of a dead king,that is so paranoid that she keeps saying that you're consort out of fear that she will live in your shadow,while in reality,she's already a shadow compared to the HoF
.
 

Modifié par HarbingerCollector, 15 avril 2015 - 07:56 .

[Dai Grepher]

That's possible, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the writers were confused by the titles and what they mean. It's strange because Anora was Cailan's consort, but the writers still had people address her a "queen".

 

I've wondered that, if BioWare was taking a swipe at patriarchy there.

 

Don't you mean, "man treated equal to woman = you sexist pig"? That seems to be the state of feminism today. But this is a side note.

 

Personally I headcanon my Cousland talking to Anora about how they would rule jointly. Anora knew Eleanor, so she must have seen how she and Bryce were together. They were Teyrn and Teyrna of Highever, even though Bryce was the one with the legal authority, he shared it with Eleanor equally and considered her to be his partner in all things. That's what my Cousland wanted with Anora, and in my opinion of the canon, that's what he got regardless of what a few incorrect lines state.

 

I agree that the consort and prince titles are demeaning to the M!Cousland characters and their players. No such stipulations were applied to the F!Cousland characters. Now, if it had indeed been the case that the M!Cousland was consort, then I would not suggest the games state otherwise, but the game actually shows how rulers are determined and that the M!Cousland was determined to be a ruler along with Anora by those who determine such things. The same vote that made Anora the queen also made the M!Cousland king. Otherwise, why can't we argue that Anora is the consort?

 

The option to marry Anora would make little sense if all you could do was be her boy-toy. There is only very slight indication that romance is possible between her and the M!Cousland. So as far as true love goes, you're taking a risk. To learn that you cannot put yourself forward as king at all and would just be some Prince Charles figure, well, there's only so much a man can take. To top it off, if any power of yours derived from marriage to Anora, then you're basically just trusting her to keep her word. I mean, is the Bannorn going to revoke her crown if she decides not to marry you? I don't think so. And yet, when she asks if you are still interested in marrying her and if you ask if you could get out of it, she plainly says that he can't unless he dies. This is because the Bannorn agreed to have both of them as joint rulers. If one was just going to be a consort then it wouldn't matter if he became a consort or not. After all, the Bannorn was ready to elect Anora alone if the Warden had said so.

 

Even if Anora had been queen regnant, she still wouldn't get to decide who is a ruler. All rulers must be elected by the banns. That is canon fact according to the codices.

 

Correct. If being king were not possible, then why was announcing marriage to Anora an option? Practically speaking, all you would need for the consort ending would be to make the deal with Anora, and then just select her as queen. That's it. Then the epilogue would say she stayed true to her word and married the Hero.

[AshenEndymion]

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as i said before,the HNM is not a consort because he was never one.as he was elected at the Landsmeet.
 
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This is 100% wrong.  The option says "marry Anora, become prince-consort" and there is no option for "become King, marry no one"...  I fail to understand why people believe this means the Human Noble was "elected".
 
If the Human Noble was elected King, he wouldn't need to have married Anora to obtain, or even hold, the position.  He could have married anybody(or nobody).  Anora is the one who was elected by the Banns as ruler of Ferelden.  And in exchange for the HOF's support in her election, she offered him power in the form of marriage(guaranteed to the Human Noble because such a match would be announced at the Landsmeet, so Anora couldn't back out after becoming Queen).

 

The reason why a Female Cousland becomes Queen, as opposed to the male Cousland, is because Alistair is indifferent as to the formalities, and actually wants to share power.  Anora does not.  The Cousland is the King of Ferelden to the commoners because they don't know any better.  To the historians, he controls only what Anora wants him to control.

[Das Tentakel]

Edit: Well, I just checked the wiki to refresh my memory, and it's just a mess. Never mind.

[Dai Grepher]

 
This is 100% wrong.  The option says "marry Anora, become prince-consort" and there is no option for "become King, marry no one"...  I fail to understand why people believe this means the Human Noble was "elected".
 
If the Human Noble was elected King, he wouldn't need to have married Anora to obtain, or even hold, the position.  He could have married anybody(or nobody).  Anora is the one who was elected by the Banns as ruler of Ferelden.  And in exchange for the HOF's support in her election, she offered him power in the form of marriage(guaranteed to the Human Noble because such a match would be announced at the Landsmeet, so Anora couldn't back out after becoming Queen).

 

The reason why a Female Cousland becomes Queen, as opposed to the male Cousland, is because Alistair is indifferent as to the formalities, and actually wants to share power.  Anora does not.  The Cousland is the King of Ferelden to the commoners because they don't know any better.  To the historians, he controls only what Anora wants him to control.

 

Well, if you're going to quote it then quote what it actually says. The two differently worded but same meaning options are "Anora will be queen, and I'll rule beside her", and "I will rule at queen Anora's side, as her husband". I'm paraphrasing, but I think those actually are the exact quotes. They may have been ingrained into my memory.

 

People believe the M!Cousland was elected because:

 

1. All new rulers must be elected by the banns according to the laws of Ferelden.

2. The banns leave it up to the M!Cousland to decide, and they have agreed to abide by his decision since he won the duel.

3. The M!Cousland decides that he will rule jointly with Anora.

 

The M!Cousland did not need to marry Anora to become king. According to the law, he could have ruled alone. The reason why the game does not let you choose this is because the writers needed a way to bring the player character back for future games, and sole rule over Ferelden would have complicated that. Plus, the coronation scene was pre-rendered. Meaning, it was filmed with Alistair, Anora, or both. There was no way to implement the player character into that scene.

 

You understand that Inquisition could not have presented a scenario where the ruler of Ferelden left to go find a cure for the taint while the throne sat empty, yes? That is why Anora was needed, for storyline purposes.

 

Near the beginning of the game Dairren confirms that Bryce Cousland was considered as a possible candidate for the throne himself. This confirms that the Cousland line makes for viable candidates.

 

Anora was elected by the EXACT same statement that got the M!Cousland elected. They were both part of the same statement. The banns agreed to that statement. Therefore, both were elected jointly. Anora couldn't back out because the vote was to have joint rulers. The M!Cousland also can't back out, unless he dies of course.

 

The commoners don't know a regnant from a consort? I think not. It isn't a difficult concept to grasp. Elan Ve'mal states that Adan served the King. If he were just a consort, then Adan would serve the Queen. And Bodahn clearly states that the Warden rules Ferleden. Consorts don't rule. Bodahn knows this.