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[In Exile]

Those 'artefacts' were actually bodyparts of the high priest. Torn apart and cursed by the other priests due to him sealing them all inside the temple after they lost contact with Dirthamen due to him getting sealed away.

But hey, lets not facts get in the way of blind hate.

0/10 thread. Have a Sera.

Is that what happened? I couldn't find that codex entry. Still, it raises the question of how their ritual succeeded in creating the monster that it did. Or is it that the monster we fought was just some random demon? But it seems like the ritual itself was important to its creation.

[RobRam10]

Or the Old Gods that encouraged the creation of the highly corrupt and destructive Tevinter at the height of their power, 

You say that as if it was a bad thing

[Reznore57]

Is that what happened? I couldn't find that codex entry. Still, it raises the question of how their ritual succeeded in creating the monster that it did. Or is it that the monster we fought was just some random demon? But it seems like the ritual itself was important to its creation.

 

I think it was some kind of despair spirit?(I remember Solas saying something about the priest despair causing this )

Since the dude was in pieces , I guess we didn't get an arcane horror.

Possible they bound his soul so he could suffer for eternity and also since the High Priest knew some secrets , perhaps they thought in the long run they would be able to access those secrets.

 

Anyway what I got from the temple is , once the elven gods disappeared , things got really rough in the different temples.

I assume everyone started to panic , and they killed each others.

[The Ascendant]

You say that as if it was a bad thing

You do realize that the Wild Hunt from the Witcher series is a group of elves from another world right?

I enjoyed learning more about the Ancient Elvves and their gods who were just as flawed (perhaps more so) than Ancient Tevinter.

[RobRam10]

You do realize that the Wild Hunt from the Witcher series is a group of elves from another world right?

Of course I do

[The Ascendant]

Of course I do

If only all elves were like them. They are badass.

[Lulupab]

They are like the gods from our mythology specially Greek, branding them "good" or "bad" is pretty childish. They simply had personalities.

 

And there are noticeable resemblance between Solas and Prometheus. Fen'harel had no worshipers as well and it seems he cared for his people and didn't get recognition, same as Prometheus. The fact that both of them are called "The Trickster" also adds up.

[Laughing_Man]

If only all elves were like them. They are badass.

 

They are aliens, both figuratively and essentially, and indeed they have very little in common with other non-alien elves.

 

One of the things I like about The Witcher universe is the stunning lack of pretentiousness and holier than thou characters.

Less people are looking for moral excuses, more people just act according to their agenda. Everything is very raw and down to earth, both in lifestyle and attitude.

[Steelcan]

@lulu

Certain Greek Deities can usually be considered good or evil. Not many argue Kronos was father of the year material, whereas Athena is generally, let me repeat before you pull out an example to the contrary, Generally, seen as a benevolent deity.

We have no real proof of any good elven Gods.

[Lulupab]

@lulu

Certain Greek Deities can usually be considered good or evil. Not many argue Kronos was father of the year material, whereas Athena is generally, let me repeat before you pull out an example to the contrary, Generally, seen as a benevolent deity.

We have no real proof of any good elven Gods.

 

And we know everything about them? Elves only fell as soon as the stopped getting support from their gods. So if they did these so called evil things to preserve the empire, that's hardly evil. Greek gods only blessed the Greeks because they offered sacrifices frequently.

 

Plus I did say they had personalities and were neither good or evil. Athena was good enough, correct. But let me tell you that we don't actually know much about Mythal, apparently she listened to the people and brought justice to the unjust. Just because she wants vengeance now doesn't make her evil when she was alive.

[frylock23]

Well, elves may only have fallen when they lost their gods, but what sort of empire was it? If it wasn't the sort of place that should have been supported because of the general misery it brought to most of the people who experienced it, like Tevinter could be argued to be, then maybe it's not the kind of place worth preserving.

 

Just because a place is great and powerful and looks all shiny on the surface doesn't mean it has a great excuse for existing. Another example might be the Inner Systems Alliance from Firefly.

[LOLandStuff]

Those poor ancient elves. Makes it look like they lived only to slave some god and nothing more. And as soon as they disappeared, they went nuts and started killing each other. They were totally lost without their gods there to pull their strings.

[Lulupab]

Those poor ancient elves. Makes it look like they lived only to slave some god and nothing more. And as soon as they disappeared, they went nuts and started killing each other. They were totally lost without their gods there to pull their strings.

 

Duh. What do you think happens when we know for a fact that Maker didn't ever exist and Andraste was a mage? Yep you guessed it, global war.

[azarhal]

You do realize that the Wild Hunt from the Witcher series is a group of elves from another world right?

I enjoyed learning more about the Ancient Elvves and their gods who were just as flawed (perhaps more so) than Ancient Tevinter.

 

DAI have a few texts and dialogues that suggest old Tevinter was just what remained of the ancient elven empire. That's why they are culturally quite similar: priesthood with competing temples, slaves, magic being the most important aspect, etc. There is even a theory that the old gods could be the elven gods minus 2.

 

It reminds me of the Roman Empire history in a way.

[LOLandStuff]

Oh, I get it. You replied to me just to throw in the Maker and Andraste and how humans are no better than elves, maybe worse because shemlen.

 

Too bad my post was about the elves going bonkers just because their gods disappeared.

[frylock23]

It's pretty obvious to me that Tevinter is loosely based off the Roman Empire, even down to its slavery practices.

[Lulupab]

Oh, I get it. You replied to me just to throw in the Maker and Andraste and how humans are no better than elves, maybe worse because shemlen.

 

Too bad my post was about the elves going bonkers just because their gods disappeared.

 

No it was about the fact that religion and so called "gods" are keeping people united. No empire is ever worth preserving because they all have their faults. No one is better than anyone.

[frylock23]

No one is better than anyone? The real world would beg to differ. If no one was better than anyone, we wouldn't have athletics, and that's just one example.

[LOLandStuff]

Tevinter seems to be doing just fine without their old gods.

[Reznore57]

Well, elves may only have fallen when they lost their gods, but what sort of empire was it? If it wasn't the sort of place that should have been supported because of the general misery it brought to most of the people who experienced it, like Tevinter could be argued to be, then maybe it's not the kind of place worth preserving.

 

Just because a place is great and powerful and looks all shiny on the surface doesn't mean it has a great excuse for existing. Another example might be the Inner Systems Alliance from Firefly.

 

To be honest , from what I gathered from codexes in DAI , I think the elven empire was the highlight of any magical empire.

Of course magic was great but it has its problem.

It seems the "Gods" (I believe they were individuals so good at magic , they became gods) held the whole thing with tyranny , law about magic reinforced by religious propaganda , and magical mind control.

It probably wasn't pretty ,but Mythal was keeping the peace and once she was murdered , things went downhill fast.

 

Again it's only theories but it seems your random elf if he/she was good enough could turn into a freaking dragon.Look at Thedas now and how people can barely deal with abominations.Now picture a dragon.

Also the tale of Ghilan'nain creating monsters left and right , (when she wasn't even a God) and Andruil forced to kill them all because they were threatening everyone.Even if it's not exactly what happened , it shows your random non godly elf causing trouble and a god has to stop it.

 

Anyway it seems when it comes to magic , elves were simply different back then and magic was everywhere.

Something happened , I assume someone put the veil in place and got rid of the Gods.

It created a whole new set of problems , of course.

But from what I can tell current Thedas is a better place.

[Lulupab]

Tevinter seems to be doing just fine without their old gods.

 

Going from ruling all Thedas to becoming a single nation is not enough? The New Tevinter has very little to do with old tevinter. That empire was obliterated. 

[Lulupab]

No one is better than anyone? The real world would beg to differ. If no one was better than anyone, we wouldn't have athletics, and that's just one example.

 

So? Someone is a better father, someone else is a better swimmer etc... No one is better in a general context and the same is true about governments and empire. They had their better parts and worse parts and in general none of them are "best"

[LOLandStuff]

Beats living as slaves or in the woods and slums.

[Lulupab]

Better than living in the woods or in slums.

 

Certainly, that's because the gave up the old worship and adopted a new one which kept them united. The Elves decided not to. Although the fact that they are another race didn't help at all. Tevinters are still human.

[BronzTrooper]

Tevinter seems to be doing just fine without their old gods.

 

Tevinter is technically an Andrastian nation, though.