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[LOLandStuff]

The elves decided not to because they didn't know any better. Makes you wonder what their gods were actually doing to them to get so lost after their disappearance. I'm sure it wasn't something pretty. Or perhaps they were a**holes gods who were badmouthing each other to their followers, and once they vanished, each group blamed the other and went to war.

[LOLandStuff]

Tevinter is technically an Andrastian nation, though.

 

But it didn't crash and burn because they lost their gods. It's still standing unlike Arlathan and the rest of the elven empire.

[Lulupab]

But it didn't crash and burn because they lost their gods. It's still standing unlike Arlathan and the rest of the elven empire.

 

If they didn't adopt Andrastianism it would have the same fate.

[Chari]

Well, while you're on your search for a "perfect" example of what "a-god-should-be-like" I'll be back reading about Greek, Salvic, Japanese etc pantheons full of interesting and intriguing stories

[LOLandStuff]

If they didn't adopt Andrastianism it would have the same fate.

 

What about the time between the First Blight and Andraste?

 

It's irrelevant anyway. Tevinter still managed to pull itself no matter what, while the elves, despite their advanced society and knowledge of magic, were reduced to living in the woods and slums, and clinging to a past they never knew.

[Reznore57]

Well, while you're on your search for a "perfect" example of what "a-god-should-be-like" I'll be back reading about Greek, Salvic, Japanese etc pantheons full of interesting and intriguing stories

 

To be honest , I really like the elven Gods because they are so twisted .

I want to know what happened , they were way funnier than anything happening at Orlesian court.

Also Mythal is badass.

[Chari]

To be honest , I really like the elven Gods because they are so twisted .

I want to know what happened , they were way funnier than anything happening at Orlesian court.

Also Mythal is badass.

A concept that a "proper" god has to be some embodiment of kindness, fairness and niceness is an ignorant one anyway

Most gods were no less threatening than helpful and people worshipped them because who's else to ask for help? They had power to help people so people prayed. Who cares if they could be nasty too? Like, you know, people?

Even our christian God is... well... can be rather intimidating and kinda... cruel... sometimes and we will speak neverendingly how loving he is 

So...

[BronzTrooper]

But it didn't crash and burn because they lost their gods. It's still standing unlike Arlathan and the rest of the elven empire.

 

Tevinter didn't 'lose' their gods the way the ancient elves did, though.  They may have stopped worshiping them, but they knew what their fate was: Becoming archdemons.  The elves of the Elvhenan had no idea what had happened to the Creators and that resulted in wide-spread panic.

 

A modern analogy would be all technology on earth suddenly disappearing or just stop working.  What would be the immediate result of that?  You guessed it: Chaos.  Not to mention that the creation of the Veil is likely tied into the disappearance of the Creators, which would only make things worse for a magically inclined empire like the Elvhenan.

[LOLandStuff]

The only ones who lost from the disappearance their gods were the elite class, who some got killed by their slaves. That chaos didn't start because they just lost their gods. There's more than "Gods gone, let's lose our ****."

Only elves had to suffer from it. The other races just sat it out. If it were such a calamity, everyone would've been involved.

[Nefla]

But-but Ghilan’nain, June, and Sylaise are all right...right? Yes?   

[RobRam10]

But-but Ghilan’nain, June, and Sylaise are all right...right? Yes?   

Hahaha

[Lulupab]

But-but Ghilan’nain, June, and Sylaise are all right...right? Yes?   

 

Probably, we don't even know if Mythal was evil either. She is dead and wants Vengeance, but what about previously? The Temple implies she listened to wronged elves and brought Justice to the unjust. However Justice is harsh and hard by its very nature.

[Reznore57]

The only ones who lost from the disappearance their gods were the elite class, who some got killed by their slaves. That chaos didn't start because they just lost their gods. There's more than "Gods gone, let's lose our ****."

Only elves had to suffer from it. The other races just sat it out. If it were such a calamity, everyone would've been involved.

 

Well it seems the dwarves also went through something.

But so far no big clue about what happened.

In a codex there is talks of figures looking like Qunari being worshipped found on some very old pyramid in Par Vollen , created long before the Qunari officialy landed in Thedas.

So...who knows?

[RobRam10]

I wouldn't be surprised if June killed elves and use their bones for crafting materials or Sylaise burning elves just for the fun of it.

[Nefla]

I wouldn't be surprised if June killed elves and use their bones for crafting materials or Sylaise burning elves just for the fun of it.

Noooooo!

[Lulupab]

We should also remember the fact that the elves were slaves for a thousand year before getting freed by Andraste so they did forget a lot. The Dalish have fragments from the Dales which also had fragments of Arlathan. Its hard to remember but they are doing their best.

[Chari]

Probably, we don't even know if Mythal was evil either. She is dead and wants Vengeance, but what about previously? The Temple implies she listened to wronged elves and brought Justice to the unjust. However Justice is harsh and hard by its very nature.

I can hardly call evil a person which has been betrayed and murdered and as a result want venegeance

[Monica21]

Yeah, don't read too much into it. Someone at BW may have decided to reuse an existing model of "magical elven artifact" instead of making a new one

just for this side quest.

 

While I figure that that's likely the case, the fact that Solas is who he is and that he wanted you to turn these things on is worth an eyebrow-raise at least. It could be that they're just similar because they're built to do something, and the operators choose what to do.

[Obadiah]

Hmm... so the Dirthamen temple may have been sealed at about the time that the Ancient Elves lost contact with their gods, due to Fen'Harel's actions?

[Hellion Rex]

a moment of doubt while his world was falling apart, hardly firm evidence, when we have centuries of history saying the first Archedemon was Dumat

Except how do we know it really was Dumat? How did people during the First Blught figure it out? Why would they think it was anything but a corrupted high dragon leading Darkspawn?

[BronzTrooper]

The only ones who lost from the disappearance their gods were the elite class, who some got killed by their slaves. That chaos didn't start because they just lost their gods. There's more than "Gods gone, let's lose our ****."

Only elves had to suffer from it. The other races just sat it out. If it were such a calamity, everyone would've been involved.

 

So which is it?  The Elvhenan fell apart because of disappearance of the Creators, or it fell apart because of a number of different factors?

 

You think that bears or tigers or chimpanzees will suffer if human civilization collapses?  Nope.  In fact, they'd actually be better off if humanity was out of the picture.

 

I was just using it as an example because human civilization is dominant irl, as was the Elvhenan during its time.

[azarhal]

Tevinter didn't 'lose' their gods the way the ancient elves did, though.  They may have stopped worshiping them, but they knew what their fate was: Becoming archdemons.  The elves of the Elvhenan had no idea what had happened to the Creators and that resulted in wide-spread panic.

 

Actually, the Claw of Dumat codex in DAI suggest that the Tevinters went through the same thing as the elves: their gods stopped talking to them one day. The codex mention how the people were turning away from their worship because of it. That silence was what pushed Corypheus to make his plan to replace his god by breaching the Golden City (the codex was written by one of Cory's servants).

 

I can hardly call evil a person which has been betrayed and murdered and as a result want venegeance

 

I don't know a lots of people betrayed and murdered who's plan for vengeance include destroying the world that fall into the "good guy" category...and that is very much what Flemythal is planning, she said so herself.

 

I'm  also starting to believe that she originally planned it for after the 4th Blight but she got screwed over by the Pentaghasts going on a rampage against the dragons...

[Chari]

I don't know a lots of people betrayed and murdered who's plan for vengeance include destroying the world that fall into the "good guy" category...and that is very much what Flemythal is planning, she said so herself.

 

I'm  also starting to believe that she originally planned it for after the 4th Blight but she got screwed over by the Pentaghasts going on a rampage against the dragons...

 

I don't believe Flemeth wants to destroy the world or anything even close to that. If she did she wouldn't help the HoF to save the Thedas from the Blight. She said it herself - it would swallow everything without them. 

Plus she definitely doesn't want to see Morrigan dead or anything. And that would be hard to do if the world was destroyed. No one lives then

So, yeah. Bullshit on that

Now, she definitelly has something planned and she trusts the Fen'Harel to accomplish that. Probably some kind of revolution or big war which is supposed to put things right, but definitelly not a world destruction

In the end, she is not evil. She's rahter dark-grey with some light-grey moments. Pretty fitting for a god if you ask me

[Reznore57]

Except how do we know it really was Dumat? How did people during the First Blught figure it out? Why would they think it was anything but a corrupted high dragon leading Darkspawn?

 

I think maybe they figured out it was a Old God, because it was a male High Dragon?

As far as I know the big dragons we fight in the wilds are always female .

 

Now the Dumat part I don't know ...there's a codex in DAI talking about Dumat attacking the Imperium , and people freaking out because they had statues of Dumat and that's how they made the connexion.

But erf...dragons more or less look all the same , and tainted Old Gods look pretty bad.

And I don't want to think about the Imperium having statue of blighted dragons before the Blight.

And now I'm having an headache.

[Addai]

I think they're repeating themes and one of them is what happens when the followers of a faith think they've been forsaken. They start turning on each other and their leaders. Corypheus being the premier example, but all the elves were left trapped in a world without their gods and most of their native powers. It's like a blackout that spawns looting and riots. The absence of light and of true authority leads to chaos.

 

Not saying Dirthamen wasn't himself a ******, but not all that we see might be his doing.