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[ctd757]

I haven't did the 2nd quest in the temple yet is it worth it

[Obadiah]

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all the elves were left trapped in a world without their gods and most of their native powers. It's like a blackout that spawns looting and riots. The absence of light and of true authority leads to chaos.
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That's definitely supported by the description in The Masked Empire of sealed rooms between Eluvian paths littered with corpses of elves that starved to death, when the Eluvians were deactivated.

[MoonDrummer]

The mother of halla can't be bad though, right? I mean how is that even a godhood?

[suntiger745]

You're not allowed to be a deity in Thedas unless you're a cruel, vindictive bastard.

That goes for most mortals in positions of power too btw.

[legbamel]

In the Maker's defense, I'll just point out that Andraste's earthly husband MAferath betrayed her and was responsible for her death. Now seeing as she was the Maker's bride and all that, maybe the Maker has a right to be a bit cheesed off with humankind - just saying.

Seeing as she was already married, the Maker could have kept it in his ephemeral pants, too. 

[Ahalvern]

The mother of halla can't be bad though, right? I mean how is that even a godhood?

 

Well apparently she committed genocide on her creations and was offered godhood for doing so. Though it is implied that her creations were a danger to the Elves and had to be killed. Everything is very gray with the elven gods right now.

[LobselVith8]

We should also remember the fact that the elves were slaves for a thousand year before getting freed by Andraste so they did forget a lot. The Dalish have fragments from the Dales which also had fragments of Arlathan. Its hard to remember but they are doing their best.

 

Quite true. That has also helped save the world, since even with the scraps of knowledge the elves held, they were able to use the information that they retained - despite their long enslavement by the Imperium - to help create the Joining and the Grey Warden Order.

[Kurogane335]

What about the time between the First Blight and Andraste?

 

It's irrelevant anyway. Tevinter still managed to pull itself no matter what, while the elves, despite their advanced society and knowledge of magic, were reduced to living in the woods and slums, and clinging to a past they never knew.

 

To be fair to the elves, their empire probably collapsed because it was highly dependent of the Eluvians to survive. When they couldn't use them for whatever reason, they simply couldn't survive because they were isolated. Meanwhile, Tevinter was a more common empire, with close cities and roads, and all the like, which allowed it to mount a defence, where the elves simply couldn't.

[Steelcan]

Quite true. That has also helped save the world, since even with the scraps of knowledge the elves held, they were able to use the information that they retained - despite their long enslavement by the Imperium - to help create the Joining and the Grey Warden Order.

yeah and it also relied on a barbarian whose culture supports the ingestion of your enemies' blood. In addition to Tevinter Blood Magic and lyrium that has to come from dwarves.

Its not like the elves are solely responsible for creating the wardens

[In Exile]

Tevinter didn't 'lose' their gods the way the ancient elves did, though. They may have stopped worshiping them, but they knew what their fate was: Becoming archdemons. The elves of the Elvhenan had no idea what had happened to the Creators and that resulted in wide-spread panic.

A modern analogy would be all technology on earth suddenly disappearing or just stop working. What would be the immediate result of that? You guessed it: Chaos. Not to mention that the creation of the Veil is likely tied into the disappearance of the Creators, which would only make things worse for a magically inclined empire like the Elvhenan.

The old gods went silent apparently. Before even Dumat rose. And even when Dumat rose alone, none of the other old gods talked.

[Chari]

The mother of halla can't be bad though, right? I mean how is that even a godhood?

Apparently she was like a genius evil scientist who created all sorts of crazy monsters and creatures who was promoted to goddesshood

Pretty much my dream job XD

[azarhal]

The mother of halla can't be bad though, right? I mean how is that even a godhood?

 

Andruil offered to share godhood with her if she destroyed most of her dangerous creations that were threatening the People, she only kept a few including the halla (and a bunch of flying ones that she offered to Andruil). 

[MoonDrummer]

Andruil offered to share godhood with her if she destroyed most of her dangerous creations that were threatening the People, she only kept a few including the halla (and a bunch of flying ones that she offered to Andruil).

I'm almost certain she got murdered by a hunter and andruil saved her...

[Chari]

I'm almost certain she got murdered by a hunter and andruil saved her...

Tis a legend shared by the dalish

Tas a legend found in the Temple of Mythal

Pretty fitting IMO and pretty cool. Now I kind of want to use her vallaslin for me Mahariel

[LOLandStuff]

To be fair to the elves, their empire probably collapsed because it was highly dependent of the Eluvians to survive. When they couldn't use them for whatever reason, they simply couldn't survive because they were isolated. Meanwhile, Tevinter was a more common empire, with close cities and roads, and all the like, which allowed it to mount a defence, where the elves simply couldn't.

 

I'm aware of that.

But who's to blame for their isolation? The gods or the elves themselves, maybe their elite.

Having them live in a box and telling them the outside has "Here be dragons" is just cruel.

 

[myahele]

Ghilanain fascinates me the most out of all the gods. The Dalish vs Mythal legends about her atleast sheds light that there is a degree of truth in the Dalish folkore. That she was an elf that became a god with Andruils help and that she's associated with the hall as.

I wonder if she created grifons?

On the subject of Dirthamen the Dalish make it seem like he was too clingy towards Falondin and eventually falondin left him

[Reznore57]

Ghilanain fascinates me the most out of all the gods. The Dalish vs Mythal legends about her atleast sheds light that there is a degree of truth in the Dalish folkore. That she was an elf that became a god with Andruils help and that she's associated with the hall as.

I wonder if she created grifons?

On the subject of Dirthamen the Dalish make it seem like he was too clingy towards Falondin and eventually falondin left him

 

Dirthamen and Falon Din are a strange case , in Dalish stories they were two brothers who were eventually separated by the Veil.

But in the temple of Mythal , their relationship is err...they were not lovers , they were not brothers , they were something more.

"Twin souls."I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean exactly.

 

Also we have June who created himself...gods stories are complicated sometimes.

[MoonDrummer]

Did the elven and dwarven empires co-exist?

[Steelcan]

Did the elven and dwarven empires co-exist?

most likely given the dwarven empire's size during Tevinter's rise.

The nature of that coexistence is unknown, given that they were later steadfast allies of Tevinter, I doubt it was entirely cooperative

[Lulupab]

most likely given the dwarven empire's size during Tevinter's rise.

The nature of that coexistence is unknown, given that they were later steadfast allies of Tevinter, I doubt it was entirely cooperative

 

Dwarves are bros with everyone so I don't think it matters in the grand scheme of things.

[azarhal]

 

Also we have June who created himself...gods stories are complicated sometimes.

 

I took that to mean he rose to godhood all by himself from among The People, unlike the "Mother of Hallas".

[Reznore57]

I took that to mean he rose to godhood all by himself from among The People, unlike the "Mother of Hallas".

 

It makes much more sense than my brain stuck on "How did he give birth to himself exactly?!!"

[Commander of the Grey]

To be fair to the elves, their empire probably collapsed because it was highly dependent of the Eluvians to survive. When they couldn't use them for whatever reason, they simply couldn't survive because they were isolated. Meanwhile, Tevinter was a more common empire, with close cities and roads, and all the like, which allowed it to mount a defence, where the elves simply couldn't.

There are codex entries in the temple of Elgr'nan(?) that recount the days just before Arlathan's fall. Whether it's accurate or not...?

It states that humans (Tevinter) made contact with the elves and elves started dying of human diseases, losing their immortality.

Corypheus and the old gods going silent happened around the same time as Arlathan going @ss up. I don't think it's a coincidence. Whether the sickness was actually the blight and just didn't have that name then, Mythal was probably betrayed after Arlathan sealed itself to keep the humans out but it was too late by then. Not by the other elven gods but maybe one of the missing magisters. Solas sealed the others to protect them, draining his power and then went to sleep to wait it out.

That's my sort of wild theory until I find out otherwise.

The codex also states that Arlathan became buried underground. If it was the blight maybe that explains how the lyrium underground became corrupted with it. Which spread to the dwarves and yada yada. I'm not good with theory stuff~

Flemeth/mythal clearly still wants to wring someone's neck which means that neck is still alive and since she seems to be helping solas, I put my money on one of Cory's other six troublemaking friends.

Cory also uses Fen'Harel's orb to lift up that castle thing at the end (which bears an elven mosiac on the floor) so it wouldn't surprise me if his orb or all of them was used to elevate Arlathan into the sky. And he either turned them off and hid them or they shut off when they were sealed/slept.

Theory is getting crazier now.

[myahele]

I just came up with something. I don't have a quote but David Gaider did mention forest spirits (ala lady of the forest) are a naturally occuring thing.

What if a greater forest spirit somehow "created" Mythal and Elgarnan? According to lore, the earth goddess created forests, animals, etc for her son, which where ultimately destroyed by the sun god.

As for dwarven relations to ancient dwarves? I guess it was mutual indifference, although I sense some of the elven gods (falon din)may have wanted to cause war with them. And based on Sola's treatment of Varric I guess ancient elves probably looked down on the dwarves.

Maybe their fear of being swallowed up in the sky is rooted in the fact that there was no veil and who knows what happened to them then