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[wistful81]

So, uhm, what stuff do you write and could we convince you to write for this fandom? Just, ya know, askin'.

Bahaha, I ONLY just got back into writing, like last month. I pretty much feel like Cassandra right now, struggling to get the pictures in my head, down onto paper(erm well the computer screen). I don't think I could write Varric very well, that sexy, hairy bastard

I think with Cass being a romance option it's unlikely to ever be canon, but perhaps in an AU somewhere? (Like Alistair and Leliana in that comic or whatever it was.)

They actually did that with Garrus and Tali, in Mass Effect. If you romance neither of them, they got together in game. Not sure why that wouldn't or couldn't work here.

[rda]

Bahaha, I ONLY just back into writing, like last month. I pretty much feel like Cassandra right now, struggling to get the pictures in my head, down onto paper(erm well the computer screen). I don't think I could write Varric very well, that sexy, hairy bastard




They actually did that with Garrus and Tali, in Mass Effect. If you romance neither of them, they got together in game. Not sure why that wouldn't or couldn't work here.

Bioware, please, make it happen! (I know they 99% won't, but it never hurts to ask, right?)

And are you writing Cassandra stuff?? ::squeals with glee::

And uhm, fanfic Monday is a disappointment today in terms of volume, as we just have one fic updated.

Rest in the warmest places update: http://archiveofouro...hapters/7610720

ETA: More spirrum smut put up on AO3 just after I posted: http://archiveofouro...hapters/7616075

[goodgirl]

  

English isn't your mother tongue? I never would have guessed, you write so well! And I laughed out loud as I thought of a smutty fic with a bunch of f-words...yeah, I think it could work!

Thank you for your kind words, rda! I just try to avoid the difficult words *g*.

 

They actually did that with Garrus and Tali, in Mass Effect. If you romance neither of them, they got together in game. Not sure why that wouldn't or couldn't work here. 

Oh it would/could work. After all, the more DA games they publish the more possible canons can exist. It gets confusing after a while . I guess it's pretty much up to Gaider what will be canon. Still, we -and other people, of course, as well- will have our headcanons .

 

And uhm, fanfic Monday is a disappointment today in terms of volume, as we just have one fic updated.

Rest in the warmest places update: http://archiveofouro...hapters/7610720

ETA: More spirrum smut put up on AO3 just after I posted: http://archiveofouro...hapters/7616075

Rest in the Warmest Places:

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Oh my, Cassandra rescuing herself is perfect in this fic! And keeping herself going by an imaginary talk to Varric is wonderful. Judging from the demon letter, I figure they didn't even kiss? I mean somehow Varric has to know that Cassandra is that deep in trouble. Hnnnnghhh, I want to know what's going to happen next!

[rda]

Thank you for your kind words, rda! I just try to avoid the difficult words *g*.
 

Oh it would/could work. After all, the more DA games they publish the more possible canons can exist. It gets confusing after a while . I guess it's pretty much up to Gaider what will be canon. Still, we -and other people, of course, as well- will have our headcanons .
 

Rest in the Warmest Places:

Spoiler

Oh my, Cassandra rescuing herself is perfect in this fic! And keeping herself going by an imaginary talk to Varric is wonderful. Judging from the demon letter, I figure they didn't even kiss? I mean somehow Varric has to know that Cassandra is that deep in trouble. Hnnnnghhh, I want to know what's going to happen next!

Spoiler

Agreed! Cassandra rescuing herself just seemed apropos. No damsel in distress waiting for her prince to rescue her is Cassandra! I wonder about the kiss too. I guess that's supposed to be the tipoff to Varric that all is not as it appears? And I wonder how the demon got his people in place so fast. I bet Charter isn't safe either. But I'm still a bit confused. I'd like a Hercule Poirot style summing up at the end of the fic, lol.

But still, Glitteringworlds did an excellent job coming up with the plot for this one. Hopefully we get some payoff romantic times, too.

Oh, and I read on Spirrum's blog that I guess she's not a native English speaker either? I am just so amazed and in awe of people who can write that well in their non-native languages. I could probably say "Romans, go home!" (Monty Python reference) in Latin and that is about it.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Gaider does seem kind of scary, doesn't he? Yes, I know I'd definitely leave someone else to ask him that question. But someone else should, because like I said previously, I'm totally on board for making this pairing canon and have all the half-dwarf baby names picked out. I nominate Elizabeth to ask since she seems the most persuasive.

Um, does he have a twitter? I can send him a tweet telling him we like the idea and asking if he has an opinion. lol He's just as likely to say "Not really." and that's that, but yeah. XD we can see just how persuasive I am in 144 characters or less. lol

 

Also, page 29! So close to page 30! I don't have a reason why that's important. I just like round numbers. Keep it going, guys!

[AWTEW]

Um, does he have a twitter? I can send him a tweet telling him we like the idea and asking if he has an opinion. lol He's just as likely to say "Not really." and that's that, but yeah. XD we can see just how persuasive I am in 144 characters or less. lol

Also, page 29! So close to page 30! I don't have a reason why that's important. I just like round numbers. Keep it going, guys!

I know he has one, but I don't know what it is.

I don't know about you guys, but no matter what the devs say:

[Hunter111]

Google says @davidgaider if you actually wanted to try. I'd be afraid to ask, myself. I heard he subsists on fan tears...

[AWTEW]

Google says @davidgaider if you actually wanted to try. I'd be afraid to ask, myself. I heard he subsists on fan tears...

 

 Nah, he is not that bad..Preistly on the other hand....

 

@Elizebeth

 

I dare you to do it. dontforgettomentionwehavesugarandponiesinthisthread

[Ieldra]

This thread is aberration upon the Maker and His faithful.

I've rarely read a stronger recommendation....

 

@all:

I actually don't think much of the idea, but I appreciate the narrative recursion, given that this is just the thing that Varric would put into one of his stories.

[Hunter111]

Something I was thinking about that I just wanted to throw out there:

So, let me say upfront I never saw the Cassandra anime movie, because it's not available on Netflix (and also because I've never particularly cared for Anime in general) so what I'm about to say may be contradicted by the movie, but...

I was thinking about Cassandra and her parents, and to my understanding they were executed for treason when she was quite young, and her and her brother were spared because the king at the time (King Markus, I think?) showed mercy because they were so young.

My first thought was: what kind of parents would do this? I mean, engage in political actions that could have their children killed? And I didn't get the impression that the king at the time was some horrible, inhuman monster, and Cassandra's parents had some moral imperative to try to overthrow him. It just seemed like it was a matter of him being weak and ineffectual and they saw an opportunity.

Anyway, if my reading of the situation is correct, I wonder if that informs Cassandra's near-pathological hatred for politics and "The Game". It must be beyond hurtful to realize that your parents almost sacrificed you at the altar of their personal ambition.

But, like I said, I could be totally wrong. Anybody else care to chime in?

[Olwaye]

Something I was thinking about that I just wanted to throw out there:

So, let me say upfront I never saw the Cassandra anime movie, because it's not available on Netflix (and also because I've never particularly cared for Anime in general) so what I'm about to say may be contradicted by the movie, but...

I was thinking about Cassandra and her parents, and to my understanding they were executed for treason when she was quite young, and her and her brother were spared because the king at the time (King Markus, I think?) showed mercy because they were so young.

My first thought was: what kind of parents would do this? I mean, engage in political actions that could have their children killed? And I didn't get the impression that the king at the time was some horrible, inhuman monster, and Cassandra's parents had some moral imperative to try to overthrow him. It just seemed like it was a matter of him being weak and ineffectual and they saw an opportunity.

Anyway, if my reading of the situation is correct, I wonder if that informs Cassandra's near-pathological hatred for politics and "The Game". It must be beyond hurtful to realize that your parents almost sacrificed you at the altar of their personal ambition.

But, like I said, I could be totally wrong. Anybody else care to chime in?

 

Well, real life history is full of people trying, and succeeding or failing, to overthrow a ruler or a government and not necessarily a bad one. Best examples I can think of right now are Roman emperors Galba and Otho or Macrinus and King of England James 1st, neither of this rulers can be described as "evil" rulers and yet people fought and died either to defeat or defend them, by conviction or by ambition, sometimes both.

In which category Cassandra's parents fell in, I do not know.

 

It might have influenced Cassandra in her attitude towards politics. Although her own straightforwardness and bluntness might have more to do with that.

[Hunter111]

Well, real life history is full of people trying, and succeeding or failing, to overthrow a ruler or a government and not necessarily a bad one. Best examples I can think of right now are Roman emperors Galba and Otho or Macrinus and King of England James 1st, neither of this rulers can be described as "evil" rulers and yet people fought and died either to defeat or defend them, by conviction or by ambition, sometimes both.
In which category Cassandra's parents fell in, I do not know.
 
It might have influenced Cassandra in her attitude towards politics. Although her own straightforwardness and bluntness might have more to do with that.

Don't get me wrong, I understand why people would try to overthrow a ruler, even if the ruler wasn't per se a monster. However, if the tradition is if you're caught, you and your whole family are executed, to include small children, that's pretty selfish of her parents. At the very least, send the kids on an extended trip to a distant relative in Ferelden or something.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, what I am saying is that if it happened that way...wow, her parents sucked.

Really, the reason I was thinking about this was because in the Fade, Varric's fear is something like he doesn't want to turn into his parents. So I was wondering what his main issue with his parents would be, and (naturally )happened to think about Cassandra, and I was thinking "Geez, if anyone had a bone to pick with their parents, it would be her."

Sure, Varric might have issues with his parents, but at least they didn't embark on a self-aggrandizing (and selfish) course of action that would result in his beheading and his head being placed on a pike (or whatever the tradition is in Nevarra).

[Olwaye]

Don't get me wrong, I understand why people would try to overthrow a ruler, even if the ruler wasn't per se a monster. However, if the tradition is if you're caught, you and your whole family are executed, to include small children, that's pretty selfish of her parents. At the very least, send the kids on an extended trip to a distant relative in Ferelden or something.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, what I am saying is that if it happened that way...wow, her parents sucked.

Really, the reason I was thinking about this was because in the Fade, Varric's fear is something like he doesn't want to turn into his parents. So I was wondering what his main issue with his parents would be, and (naturally )happened to think about Cassandra, and I was thinking "Geez, if anyone had a bone to pick with their parents, it would be her."

Sure, Varric might have issues with his parents, but at least they didn't embark on a self-aggrandizing (and selfish) course of action that would result in his beheading and his head being placed on a pike (or whatever the tradition is in Nevarra).

 

Concerning Cassandra's parents as we don't know their reason of their actions I would not judge them.

Regardless the argument is an interesting one, because if they acted on convictions I would not think they sucked, they would have gambled to offer their kids a better life, and if they acted by ambition, they might have gambled for that as well.

I would think they sucked if they willingly throw away their children lives for sheer ambition, for what I understand of Cassandra, that does not seem to be her opinion.

 

Regarding Varric parents we do know a bit more, his father got the whole family thrown out of Orzammar for fixing Provings, definitely for money and personal gain (then again you could say he did it to further his clan wealth and power and so his own sons positions in Orzammar). Plus they appear to be joyless stick- in- the- muds, so for a fun loving person like Varric being like his parents is something he definitely does not look forward to.

 

Cassandra's parents, again as we don't know the full story, she might see that differently and actually hold them in high esteem. (Come on writing people I'm giving you a good angle to work with here )

 

 

Edit: Because again my fingers fumbled on the key board

[Hunter111]

Concerning Cassandra's parents as we don't know their reason of their actions I would not judge them.
Regardless the argument is an interesting one, because if they acted on convictions I would not think they sucked, they would have gambled to offer their kids a better life, and if they acted by ambition, they might have gambled for that as well.
I would think they sucked if they willingly throw away their children lives for sheer ambition, for what I understand of Cassandra, that does not seem to be her opinion.

I hope you don't mind if I disagree a bit. I will say if the ruler poses some kind of clear and present danger, like some kind of Caligula, there's a moral imperative to try and depose that ruler as soon as possible, which might justify Cassandra's parents gambling their kids' lives. But I don't think the king at the time was a homicidal maniac, as seen by his sparing of Cassandra and Anthony.

I mean, isn't rule number one of being a good parent not putting your kids in a position where there's a good chance they could end up dead? At the very least, if you feel you HAVE to embark on treason, make sure your kids are SAFE somewhere beyond the monarch's reach.

Short of a Caligula-like King, I personally can't spin this any way besides Cassandra's parents were not selfish and negligent AT BEST.

And I don't really remember Cassandra saying much about her parents (except factually) either way, unless there's something I'm forgetting. It's possible she simply doesn't want to rehash painful memories, not that she necessarily thinks positively of them.

I am hoping for a DLC where we go to Nevarra and hopefully explore some of these issues.

ETA: Also, thank you for responding to my rambling, speculative posts. Sometimes a good debate makes you think more deeply about the characters.

[Olwaye]

I hope you don't mind if I disagree a bit. I will say if the ruler poses some kind of clear and present danger, like some kind of Caligula, there's a moral imperative to try and depose that ruler as soon as possible, which might justify Cassandra's parents gambling their kids' lives. But I don't think the king at the time was a homicidal maniac, as seen by his sparing of Cassandra and Anthony.

I mean, isn't rule number one of being a good parent not putting your kids in a position where there's a good chance they could end up dead? At the very least, if you feel you HAVE to embark on treason, make sure your kids are SAFE somewhere beyond the monarch's reach.

Short of a Caligula-like King, I personally can't spin this any way besides Cassandra's parents were not selfish and negligent AT BEST.

And I don't really remember Cassandra saying much about her parents (except factually) either way, unless there's something I'm forgetting. It's possible she simply doesn't want to rehash painful memories, not that she necessarily thinks positively of them.

I am hoping for a DLC where we go to Nevarra and hopefully explore some of these issues.

 

Your point his more than valid, mine is that we don't know enough of the story of the rebellion against Markus ( who I agree does not seem to be a Nero( every one has his favourite Roman maniac, yes? ) )to say if Cassandra's parents were stupid, brave or just caught in the middle (being related to the ruling family, they might have been short on options). Again if their goal was fulfilling sheer ambition regardless of what the consequences might be to those around you, especially your children, they definitely were bad parents.

 

Then again, regardless of the actual situation of Cassandra's parents, the argument is a good one for what it says about commitment to a cause.

 

(by the way, shouldn't you be trying to make "It's Hard to be a gentleman" more to your own very high standard so that we can go back to enjoying it ?)

 

ETA: Also, thank you for responding to my rambling, speculative posts. Sometimes a good debate makes you think more deeply about the characters.

 

you're welcome, I enjoy it and it takes my mind of some personal issues I have right now and it does enforce my love for this thread and the people in it

Modifié par Olwaye, 03 mars 2015 - 10:43 .

[ZerioctheTank]

I'm going to say that Cassandra's parents were power hungry & went too far. If the king was a tyrant wouldn't he kill the kids as well? If I was in that position I would just to tie up loose ends. We also don't know much about her before Anthony's death. Was she always a blunt & straight to the point? Was she like a typical noble playing her part? Was she rebellious in any way? I doubt she was much of the second one unless she lived a sheltered life & was closed off from the world. We do know that she idolized her brother so maybe she acted like him a bit.Also from a human developmental point of view some people don't stray that far away from how they were when they were little. Around the ages of 6 - 8 (I could be wrong with the ages) we learn what is morally right or wrong.

As for her hatred for the game I think it stems from the fact that it revolves around lying & deception. Perhaps Hunter is correct that maybe Cassandra hatred towards the game is because of her parent's wrongdoing. Between understanding what they did was wrong & maybe just refusing to follow in their footsteps may be why she hates it.

[Hunter111]

 
(by the way, shouldn't you be trying to make "It's Hard to be a gentleman" more to your own very high standard so that we can go back to enjoying it ?)

I'll see what I can do, lol. Right now the problem is that I am just perceptive enough to know there are problems but not necessarily how to fix them....I don't know. But you are super sweet.
 

you're welcome, I enjoy it and it takes my mind of some personal issues I have right now and it does enforce my love for this thread and the people in it

Oh I am the privileged one! Where else can you have a discussion about video games with someone referencing the year of the four emperors? . I had to dredge those names up from the depths of my memory!

I am sorry about your personal issues. . ::hugs::

[OrilliaOrange]

It's an interesting thought- that the actions of Cassandra's parents coloured her opinion of politics, and of the game. I think that's probably very likely, especially since she flat out tells you she hates when people run around in circles instead of getting to the point. As for her parents, who knows. I think I agree with Olwaye that it's possible Cassandra's parents were entangled in the plot due to their relations rather than any real desire for the throne? It's also possible they loved their children and still wanted to participate in a revolution- after all if they'd succeeded, Cassandra and Anthony would've lived very different lives. Maybe her parents wanted a better life for their kids?

[Olwaye]

I'm going to say that Cassandra's parents were power hungry & went too far. If the king was a tyrant wouldn't he kill the kids as well? If I was in that position I would just to tie up loose ends. We also don't know much about her before Anthony's death. Was she always a blunt & straight to the point? Was she like a typical noble playing her part? Was she rebellious in any way? I doubt she was much of the second one unless she lived a sheltered life & was closed off from the world. We do know that she idolized her brother so maybe she acted like him a bit.Also from a human developmental point of view some people don't stray that far away from how they were when they were little. Around the ages of 6 - 8 (I could be wrong with the ages) we learn what is morally right or wrong.

As for her hatred for the game I think it stems from the fact that it revolves around lying & deception. Perhaps Hunter is correct that maybe Cassandra hatred towards the game is because of her parent's wrongdoing. Between understanding what they did was wrong & maybe just refusing to follow in their footsteps may be why she hates it.

 

Welcome to this debate

 

For your first point I will stand by what said, not enough was said to know if they were right or wrong(and then again I would stand by my point that sometimes doing what is right is not the same as doing what is good). My personal opinion is that Cassandra is more mark by what happened to Anthony than by what happened to her parents.

 

For the second point I still think her own straight to the point non nonsense mind has more to do with her feelings about politics.  

 

 

I'll see what I can do, lol. Right now the problem is that I am just perceptive enough to know there are problems but not necessarily how to fix them....I don't know. But you are super sweet.
 

Oh I am the privileged one! Where else can you have a discussion about video games with someone referencing the year of the four emperors? . I had to dredge those names up from the depths of my memory!

I am sorry about your personal issues. . ::hugs::

 

My friend, did we told you how much we enjoyed your story here ? I am pretty sure we did (hell that was part of post number 1 and 2 on page 1)

 

And where else could I show off my history buff side on the BSN , although Macrinus was some century after AD 69 .

 

As for my personal problems, nothing to worry about, just a good opportunity for a new job that passed me by, plenty other to go around, and I have some help from a very decent bottle of Lagavulin 16 to make up for it

 

Edit: And thank you for the hugs, I enjoy any of those, IRL or otherwise.

Modifié par Olwaye, 03 mars 2015 - 11:15 .

[Hunter111]

It's also possible they loved their children and still wanted to participate in a revolution- after all if they'd succeeded, Cassandra and Anthony would've lived very different lives. Maybe her parents wanted a better life for their kids?

I could easily be hypersensitive about this, but I'll call anyone a bad person who doesn't put the welfare of their child(ren) number one. If you were going to commit treason so your kids could have a better life, your first duty is to make sure they're out of harm's way in case you fail.

Besides, that just sounds like a silly risk to take. We could all end up with better lives or we could all be executed! I mean, they were still nobles, not living in some alienage.

I hope for Cassandra's sake they were swept up in events beyond their control due to family connections or something, or otherwise...they are terrible, terrible people and parents.
(But maybe I am hypersensitive.)

Although the angst you could mine from a fic where you explored these issues...wow.

Edit: And I just want to emphasize I am not arguing with you, just disgusted at Cassandra's parents if they did that.

[Olwaye]

I could easily be hypersensitive about this, but I'll call anyone a bad person who doesn't put the welfare of their child(ren) number one. If you were going to commit treason so your kids could have a better life, your first duty is to make sure they're out of harm's way in case you fail.

 

Sometimes even the best plan can go wrong

 

Although the angst you could mine from a fic where you explored these issues...wow.

 

My thoughts exactly

[rda]

I have nothing to contribute to this fascinating conversation, but a few links for y'all:

Has everyone here checked out our newest poster Orange's fics at AO3? They're all really nice.

http://archiveofouro...s/OrilliaOrange

And, if anyone wants to visit the liquor store tonight, someone made up cocktails for all the party members in DAO to DA3: http://savegameonlin...n-age-cocktails

Most sound yummy but I don't think I'll be making Varric's anytime soon. I don't even know where you would get pair cider. (And in writing that sentence I suddenly forgot how to spell pear the fruit. Don't laugh. )

[OrilliaOrange]

People often don't think rationally about that sort of thing. I totally understand where you're coming from- ideally a parent would care enough about their children to make sure they're unaffected. Maybe they were banking on the King's mercy. It's still a selfish thing to do. Do we know if Cassandra's parents were wealthy, or if they were only noble?

 

I have nothing to contribute to this fascinating conversation, but a few links for y'all:

Has everyone here checked out our newest poster Orange's fics at AO3? They're all really nice.

http://archiveofouro...s/OrilliaOrange

And, if anyone wants to visit the liquor store tonight, someone made up cocktails for all the party members in DAO to DA3: http://savegameonlin...n-age-cocktails

Most sound yummy but I don't think I'll be making Varric's anytime soon. I don't even know where you would get pair cider. (And in writing that sentence I suddenly forgot how to spell pear the fruit. Don't laugh. )

 

Those cocktails seem very interesting! 

 

Thank you for the promo, rda :$

[Olwaye]

I have nothing to contribute to this fascinating conversation, but a few links for y'all:

Has everyone here checked out our newest poster Orange's fics at AO3? They're all really nice.

http://archiveofouro...s/OrilliaOrange

And, if anyone wants to visit the liquor store tonight, someone made up cocktails for all the party members in DAO to DA3: http://savegameonlin...n-age-cocktails

Most sound yummy but I don't think I'll be making Varric's anytime soon. I don't even know where you would get pair cider. (And in writing that sentence I suddenly forgot how to spell pear the fruit. Don't laugh. )

 

Magner's in England do a pear cider, and you have pear cider in Normandy in France as well (especially from the Domfrontais area), should it be worrying that I have most of the products for all those drinks at home?

 

Although for Blackwall I would have gone for the good old Half and Half (Half Guinness half champagne)    

[Hunter111]

should it be worrying that I have most of the products for all those drinks at home?

No, it just means you need to invite the rest of us over.