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[rda]

This ship definitely throws a lot more subtext into the whole Cassandra curiously asking about his pseudo-relationship with Bianca, his retort by asking about her own love affairs and her later admission to Varric that the only man she's ever been with was Regalyan. Consider that she only ever mentions him to a romanced Inquisitor... yeah, Varric seems to be the only person besides the Inquisitor that she's really willing to open up to and show the person behind the whole "Xena: Warrior Princess" front that she puts up in public.

Actually, a lot of her dialogue with Varric seems to her trying - in her own fumbling, adorable way - to apologise for how she acted during their intitial meeting, while trying to make extend an olive branch and offer of friendship towards him. Unfortunately, Varric either misinterprets these attempts or is too busy ripping into her for her interrogating and kidnapping him, to really seem to notice that she is making an effort to be nice to him.

Just in further support of your theory: In the alpha footage that was cut from the game, Cassandra is the one to come up to Varric and put a hand on his shoulder after the townspeople get killed at Crestwood. Additionally, I believe that if Hawke is left behind in the Fade, and Varric stalks away to mourn, Cassandra tries to go after him, only to be waved off (this is from memory, so don't crucify me if it's not 100% accurate.)

I also wonder if there was any other cut content that would've further developed their relationship. If you listen to Raison's interview where she talks about playing Cassandra, she says something along the lines that (paraphrasing) "Cassandra is quite unexpectedly good at comforting people". Since she doesn't do this in-game, at least that I saw, I'm wondering if there was some VA work done for a Varric/Cassandra scene that was eventually dropped (I'm not sure who else Cassandra would be comforting.)

(FWIW, Raison's interview, albeit short, really blew me away. I was really surprised by how intelligent and articulate she was, as well as by the amount of thought she obviously put into "getting" her character.)

[FiveThreeTen]

omg! i didn't know that thread like that can exist! O_O

 

i'm just very new on this ship... and i'll sink with it if needed!!

funny that i made a little comic about those cuties today ;u;

 

 

... i'll just sit here in the corner, sobbing silently, thinking of all the cute things and headcanons ;u;

Ok, now I kinda ship it.

 

Direct link to the artist's blog.

[Sifr]

Just in further support of your theory: In the alpha footage that was cut from the game, Cassandra is the one to come up to Varric and put a hand on his shoulder after the townspeople get killed at Crestwood. Additionally, I believe that if Hawke is left behind in the Fade, and Varric stalks away to mourn, Cassandra tries to go after him, only to be waved off (this is from memory, so don't crucify me if it's not 100% accurate.)

I also wonder if there was any other cut content that would've further developed their relationship. If you listen to Raison's interview where she talks about playing Cassandra, she says something along the lines that (paraphrasing) "Cassandra is quite unexpectedly good at comforting people". Since she doesn't do this in-game, at least that I saw, I'm wondering if there was some VA work done for a Varric/Cassandra scene that was eventually dropped (I'm not sure who else Cassandra would be comforting.)

(FWIW, Raison's interview, albeit short, really blew me away. I was really surprised by how intelligent and articulate she was, as well as by the amount of thought she obviously put into "getting" her character.)

 

I suppose given the stuff that they did cut, there's a few dialogues that didn't make it into the game either?

 

You'd think given her becoming something of a fan of Hawke (I laughed when she asked Varric if he can get Hawke to autograph her book), she'd have something to say about them possibly being left in the Fade? Unless she does and I've just not heard it, the banter compiliations do take a few hours to sit through, after all?

 

There could have been something cut where she comforted Leliana over the death of Justinia, since both of them worked closely with her? Unless Raison was talking about the scenes with Cullen where she helps him through his lyrium withdrawal and urges him to not give up?

 

(And yeah, Miranda Raison's interview has probably lead me to develop both a crush on both her as much as the character she plays, she seems just as awesome as Cassandra)

[rda]

(And yeah, Miranda Raison's interview has probably lead me to develop both a crush on both her as much as the character she plays, she seems just as awesome as Cassandra)

Me too! Raison came across as kind of introverted but she had a rather dry sense of humor and a keen intelligence and insight into the character. I knew I was going to love Cass just by seeing that interview. I am still amazed hearing her regular speaking voice--it's about a half-octave higher than Cass's and has a different timbre. It's just amazing what she did.

Also, for those that love e fanfic-there's been some new fics and updates of other ones posted on AO3. I'm on a tablet so I'm not going to paste them, but they should be pretty easy to find if you use some of my other links Inposted before and/or do a google search.

[Ahalvern]

Ok, now I kinda ship it.

 

Direct link to the artist's blog.

 

The art that launched a thousand ships.

[Cespar]

I just realized that "It's Hard to be a Gentleman" is really old.  I was actually getting into that one, but the story hasn't been updated in a month. 

 

Sn: I think Varric and Cassandra balance each other out rather well. It's kind of the same how I view my Cadash/Cassandra. Varric loves to joke a lot, and not take things too serious, while on the other hand, Cassandra tends to have a dry sense of humor, and takes everything serious. So they really balance out each other, and would had been nice to see the relationship.

[rda]

I just realized that "It's Hard to be a Gentleman" is really old.  I was actually getting into that one, but the story hasn't been updated in a month. 
 
Sn: I think Varric and Cassandra balance each other out rather well. It's kind of the same how I view my Cadash/Cassandra. Varric loves to joke a lot, and not take things too serious, while on the other hand, Cassandra tends to have a dry sense of humor, and takes everything serious. So they really balance out each other, and would had been nice to see the relationship.

It was published a montha ago but was actually last updated a few days ago. Thursday, I think? (Yes, I read too much fanfiction about this ship, lol.)

[ZerioctheTank]

I get email notifications on my phone (mostly for work) so whenever a fanfic that I'm keeping up with gets updated I know. That is pretty sad lol, oh well.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

This ship definitely throws a lot more subtext into the whole Cassandra curiously asking about his pseudo-relationship with Bianca, his retort by asking about her own love affairs and her later admission to Varric that the only man she's ever been with was Regalyan. Consider that she only ever mentions him to a romanced Inquisitor... yeah, Varric seems to be the only person besides the Inquisitor that she's really willing to open up to and show the person behind the whole "Xena: Warrior Princess" front that she puts up in public.

 

When does Cass ask about Bianca? Is it party banter or is it something/somewhere specific to trigger it? Cus I don't think I've heard that and now I really really want to.

 

 

Actually, a lot of her dialogue with Varric seems to her trying - in her own fumbling, adorable way - to apologise for how she acted during their intitial meeting, while trying to make extend an olive branch and offer of friendship towards him. Unfortunately, Varric either misinterprets these attempts or is too busy ripping into her for her interrogating and kidnapping him, to really seem to notice that she is making an effort to be nice to him.

 

Totally agree with that. Poor Cass tries a few times to make nice with Varric but he either shuts her down or she puts her foot in her mouth. I actually wanted to have an interactive banter at some point to tell him to cool it/threaten to slap him after a while. I cleared the storm coast and hinterlands with them in my party and i just got all of that banter in the first 1/4 - 1/3 of the game all in a block.

 

Thankfully it got better, of course.

[Cespar]

Cassandra asks about Bianca after his personal quest in banter. Then he goes on asking about her love life, and the inquisitor can get in on the action if you romanced her. I just need to do his personal mission, and Cadash should be able to hear that banter.

[ZerioctheTank]

I forgot about that banter lol. We know it has been a long time since Cassandra got the D but I wonder how long it has been since Varric shot his bolt through someone?

[Cespar]

Varric was quite the lady man in DA 2, but I think he's strictly Bianca. He doesn't seen like he would break away from loving Bianca anytime soon, unless he sees Cassandra in a dark corner.

[rda]

Varric was quite the lady man in DA 2, but I think he's strictly Bianca. He doesn't seen like he would break away from loving Bianca anytime soon, unless he sees Cassandra in a dark corner.

Meh, I hate to be crass, but I will be. Eventually a dude is going to decide if he can't get to the fruit in the tree, there's perfectly acceptable fruit on the ground.

Maybe I'm just a cynic, but there it is.

[AWTEW]

Ok, now I kinda ship it.

 

Direct link to the artist's blog.

 

Omg thats so awsome

 

makeitcannonbiowareplz

[ZerioctheTank]

Meh, I hate to be crass, but I will be. Eventually a dude is going to decide if he can't get to the fruit in the tree, there's perfectly acceptable fruit on the ground.

Maybe I'm just a cynic, but there it is.

Not to start any drama but that can go for the ladies as well but that comment literally has me dying of laughter right now. That really made my day.

[rda]

Not to start any drama but that can go for the ladies as well but that comment literally has me dying of laughter right now. That really made my day.

I'm glad it made you laugh and I hope I'm not starting any drama, but....(lengthy and semi-coherent rant about Varric/Bianca incoming...)

Although I think the writers tried to make their relationship slightly ambiguous, I think the implication was that Bianca was Varric's "one true love" and they were star-crossed lovers, and that was why Varric was unavailable for any other relationship.

I'm calling shenanigans on that. (Actually, I'd like to call it something else, but the vocabulary I'm thinking of right now for the way in which the writers insulted our intelligence would get me a lengthy suspension from the board.) NO ONE, or at least no one without SEVERE mental issues, is putting up with a relationship like that. Remaining faithful and in love with a woman who is married to someone else, who you sometimes don't see for YEARS at a time? No way.

Note that I'm not saying people have no self-control, blah blah blah. Yeah, sure, plenty of people abstain. For a good reason. Like, they're religious and believe God is calling them to a higher purpose. Or they're asexual. I'm sure there's a few other good reasons.

But not "this woman is the one true love of my life, who, BTW, didn't turn up for our wedding, and married some other dude instead because that's what her parents wanted."

No. If you're actually interested in sex and having a relationship, maybe when you're young and stupid and starry eyed, you devote yourself to the memory of your love. But sometime around 30, (if not sooner) a normal person would say, "Hey, I'm throwing my life away on this person, who, even now, could leave her husband and run away with me, but doesn't want to, because...reasons. Self, don't I deserve a little bit better than this?"

And even then, the last time Varric spent a substantial amount of time with this woman was...when? When he was 18? I don't know about you, but people change a wee bit between 18 and 40. He essentially doesn't even know her anymore, except as a memory of a (likely idealized) person who he once thought himself in love with.

For me to swallow what the writers are implying about the Varric/Bianca relationship, I'd have to also accept that Varric is a massive idiot, with the self-esteem of a dust mote.

It just doesn't work for me, on any level, and quite frankly, insults all the hard work they've done in the last two games developing him as a character I like and care about.

And it's not like I wanted Varric for my fem Hawke or for Cassandra, or whatever. I could accept this relationship IF Varric and Bianca were able to see each other often, write letters frequently, and Bianca's husband didn't care that Varric was more or less conducting a very public affair with his wife. Sure, I'd be disappointed in that conclusion, but at least it would be plausible, because then at least there'd be something there, some regular physical contact, frequent communication...some kind of relationship. But the way it is now, there IS no relationship. Varric's in love with...I think even saying the "idea" of Bianca gives it too much credit. He's in love with the ghost of the idea of Bianca.

What Bioware presented us with not only strains the bounds of credulity, not only asks me to suspend my disbelief, but just shows such a basic lack of respect for the character they've created, and for the player's intelligence...it's an abomination, quite frankly.

In my game, Bianca's only the name of a crossbow and Varric traded a ham sandwich for it.

[morie91]

so beautifully said, rda ;u; 

 

ok, i could swallow the bitter pill which is non-romancable varric, IF his relationship hasn't been pictured as such an unhealthy and toxic one.

as i said on my blog, he's either so deeply infatuated or in love with the "idea" of bianka, that he fails to notice how flawed she really is. but how long it had been that way? even the whole bag of sh*t she had thrown at him didn't make any difference in his devotion to her! i feel like the best character in the series, must've gotten the worst treatment from the writers... well they love to make us teary anyway.

 

but varric/bianka is not a relationship that should exist in real life, in the meaning of mental health and social behavior. pretty much she uses him to benefit herself. she exploits the feeling he has for her, making him only feel bad and miserable, when she seems not to return it the way he wants it. i've experienced something like that (from the varric's point of view), that's why i probably see there something from my own life.

 

and from more pleasant news, tethraghast ship is getting stronger ;u; many people confessed to me that they have given in and now are shippers of tethraghast too.

 

and my hand slipped again and i'm doing another fanart TuT

[rda]

Yay! More fan art!

[Laurelinde]

Quick question for my fellow Tethraghast sailors: I've just about finished my fanfic and I think I'm going to be brave and post it somewhere instead of hiding it away on my hard drive to never see the light of day like Gollum and the ring.  But, it's a little over 30,000 words and the Cass/Varric bits are a subplot rather than the main story (mainly it's..well it was my Trevelyan/Cullen fic but it sort of turned into 'here is a verbal description of what happened when I played DA:I with some other headcanony bits thrown in.)  

 

So would people prefer me to just cut and paste the Cass/Varric excerpts (which won't run together like a full story as much but will be more relevant) or just link the whole thing?  (I will warn you, it is insufferably fluffy and sweet.  My beta reader really enjoyed the Cass/Varric bits though.)

 

Now I'm just trying to decide whether to post it on the forums, on tumblr or what, and whether to do it now or wait for the Cullen thread page 5000 celebration. :S

[rda]

I really have very little constructive advice, but wow! 30,000 words is a lot. Do you have carpal tunnel now, I'm totally in awe. I think I only hit 25k once, for my senior thesis (and I made LIBERAL use of quotations

Just speaking for myself, and being totally selfish, post it somewhere like fanfiction or AO3 so I can read it. Maybe I'm just old, but I've never gotten into tumblr and I find the format kind of irritating (could just be something you have to get used to.)

Of course, I wouldn't mind if you excerpted the Varric/Cass bits and posted them here (assuming the scenes meet the site's rating.)

[morie91]

post the whole thing! i'm a sucker for fluff and if it involves my 2 most faved ships i'm all in for that! ;u;

 

so yeah, just finished another one, as promised... and now back to study, i got an exam tomorrow... *disgusted noise*

 

dating humans has its... benefits <:

 

[ZerioctheTank]

Quick question for my fellow Tethraghast sailors: I've just about finished my fanfic and I think I'm going to be brave and post it somewhere instead of hiding it away on my hard drive to never see the light of day like Gollum and the ring. But, it's a little over 30,000 words and the Cass/Varric bits are a subplot rather than the main story (mainly it's..well it was my Trevelyan/Cullen fic but it sort of turned into 'here is a verbal description of what happened when I played DA:I with some other headcanony bits thrown in.)

So would people prefer me to just cut and paste the Cass/Varric excerpts (which won't run together like a full story as much but will be more relevant) or just link the whole thing? (I will warn you, it is insufferably fluffy and sweet. My beta reader really enjoyed the Cass/Varric bits though.)

Now I'm just trying to decide whether to post it on the forums, on tumblr or what, and whether to do it now or wait for the Cullen thread page 5000 celebration. :S

If the fanfic is more or less a retelling of the main storyline I say excerpts but if you changed things up then I personally have no problem reading a 30k word fic.

[rda]

 
dating humans has its... benefits <:
 

I see what you did there...

[ZerioctheTank]

post the whole thing! i'm a sucker for fluff and if it involves my 2 most faved ships i'm all in for that! ;u;

so yeah, just finished another one, as promised... and now back to study, i got an exam tomorrow... *disgusted noise*

dating humans has its... benefits <:

Reminds me of the scene you get if you let Hawke sacrifice themselves and how Varric's head is rested on the human & elf women's bosom. If he wasn't mourning he probably might have enjoyed the benefit.

[morie91]

I see what you did there...

 

hahah that was the thing i had in mind since i started sketching this pic x]