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[Vilio1]

Celene: "Is that why you must plot against me, Gaspard? Because I'm not a man?"
Gaspard: "No, the real problem is that you aren't me".

And that's all I need to know about Gaspard. He is selfish and power-hungry and only cares for his personal glory, while Celene actually seems to care about her subjects and the legacy she leaves behind. He seems like the worst thing for Orlais.

[Steelcan]

Celene: "Is that why you must plot against me, Gaspard? Because I'm not a man?"
Gaspard: "No, the real problem is that you aren't me".

And that's all I need to know about Gaspard. He is selfish and power-hungry and only cares for his personal glory, while Celene actually seems to care about her subjects and the legacy she leaves behind. He seems like the worst thing for Orlais.

XD

 

remind me, who burned the Halamshiral alienage?  Who refused to marry Gaspard to avoid Civil War?

[Master Warder Z_]

XD

remind me, who burned the Halamshiral alienage? Who refused to marry Gaspard to avoid Civil War?

Pretty much this.

[LOLandStuff]

Celene just wants to dress the fanciest, eat the exquisitest and play the intricatest.

She thinks she's the only one to live the imperial life the empirelest.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

XD

 

remind me, who burned the Halamshiral alienage?  Who refused to marry Gaspard to avoid Civil War?

 

LOL, as if Gaspard wouldn't burn an alienage. Remind me who started this civil war in the first place. There would be no civil war without the traitor Gaspard.

 

Celene's great mistake was not capturing and executing Gaspard when she had a chance.

[jlb524]

I would like to hear your theories, I mean not just what is shown in the game, what you think would happen if he is on the throne for many years /and Celene is dead/. I supported Celene because he seemed to unstable and self-praising but I sometimes think I made a wrong choice. They said he is not fit to be Emperor and that his place is in the army as a general /in some dialogues/ but I am not so sure.

In my Gaspard pt, he's just a puppet to the woman who was likely the real brains behind the throne for years so I'm not worried.

[DuskWanderer]

LOL, as if Gaspard wouldn't burn an alienage. Remind me who started this civil war in the first place. There would be no civil war with the traitor Gaspard.

 

Celene's great mistake was not capturing and executing Gaspard when she had a chance.

 

He started the Civil War because of Celene's poor ruling. Considering how she failed to keep Orlais safe during the mage uprising, or caused the elves to revolt, it's not an unfounded opinion.

[Vilio1]

XD
 
remind me, who burned the Halamshiral alienage?  Who refused to marry Gaspard to avoid Civil War?

Why should she marry a dishonorable warmonger who wants to take her country in a completely different direction she wanted it to go? They would just fight for power until one of them manages to kill the other. Gaspard wants war. Celene doesn't. Celene's working towards a strong and prosperous Orlais (and she was successful before Gaspard betrays her and all his oaths). Gaspard thinks a war with Ferelden would solve all problems (because people like Fiona or Lambert would care). What would the "middle" path be?

Anora also crushed a rebellion of the City Elves. Does that mean she doesn't care about her subjects?

[DuskWanderer]

Why should she marry a dishonorable warmonger who wants to take her country in a completely different direction she wanted it to go? They would just fight for power until one of them manages to kill the other. Gaspard wants war. Celene doesn't. Celene's working towards a strong and prosperous Orlais (and she was successful before Gaspard betrays her and all his oaths). Gaspard thinks a war with Ferelden would solve all problems (because people like Fiona or Lambert would care). What would the "middle" path be?

Anora also crushed a rebellion of the City Elves. Does that mean she doesn't care about her subjects?

 

Dishonorable? Gaspard kills Remarche for attacking Celene during a truce. Celene, by contrast, regularly lies, deceives and murders innocent people to get what she wants.

 

You really are wearing the rose-tinted glasses, aren't you?

[MisterJB]

In my Gaspard pt, he's just a puppet to the woman who was likely the real brains behind the throne for years so I'm not worried.

 

The humans of Orlais should be if Briala has any clout.
 

[Colonelkillabee]

Gaspard vs Celene huh? Man this thread needs this song:

 

Spoiler

 

That said, Gaspard. Celene with her backstabbing and "Gr8 Gaem" and silly ass parties... Let her die, and let someone who knows when the nation needs to be ran with strength rule. And if that turns out bad for Orlais, then well that's really a bonus.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

He started the Civil War because of Celene's poor ruling. Considering how she failed to keep Orlais safe during the mage uprising, or caused the elves to revolt, it's not an unfounded opinion.

 

Celene give Oralis 20 years of peace. An easily crushed Eleven revolt hardly makes for unstable Orlais. And all things considered, the mage uprising was so bad. If it wasn't for Cory, the concave likely would have brought the war to an end.

 

Besides, Gaspard was planning revolt before either event. Hes just greedy.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

 

That said, Gaspard. Celene with her backstabbing and "Gr8 Gaem" and silly ass parties... Let her die, and let someone who knows when the nation needs to be ran with strength rule. And if that turns out bad for Orlais, then well that's really a bonus.

 

Now thats just disturbing. I think I prefer Orlais to become a better place to watch it burn.

 

Though I suppose, Briala using Gaspard like a puppet is the sweetest ending. Get rid of alienages and use the power of the inquisition to cow the nobles into obedience.

[Colonelkillabee]

Now thats just disturbing. I think I prefer Orlais to become a better place to watch it burn.

 

Though I suppose, Briala using Gaspard like a puppet is the sweetest ending. Get rid of alienages and use the power of the inquisition to cow the nobles into obedience.

You underestimate my hate for those cupcake choking chodes.

[Steelcan]

LOL, as if Gaspard wouldn't burn an alienage. Remind me who started this civil war in the first place. There would be no civil war without the traitor Gaspard.

 

Celene's great mistake was not capturing and executing Gaspard when she had a chance.

but did he actually ever burn one?

[Colonelkillabee]

but did he actually ever burn one?

Lol do you think that actually matters if the implication is he probably would? He's Chevalier. They don't give a **** about alienages.

[Steelcan]

Lol do you think that actually matters if the implication is he probably would? He's Chevalier. They don't give a **** about alienages.

I tend to judge people on what they actually do, you don't lock a man away for not caring about others, you lock him away when he starts killing them

[Master Warder Z_]

but did he actually ever burn one?

In his long career?

He might have...still wouldn't care mind you but it's possible.

[Br3admax]

I very much doubt burning alienages is part of the Chevalier lifestyle. 

[Colonelkillabee]

I tend to judge people on what they actually do, you don't lock a man away for not caring about others, you lock him away when he starts killing them

That's no different from people locking up mages for what they might do.

 

Granted, they don't have much choice being what they are, and Gaspard does. So I guess that makes him worse

 

I'm a realist. You're not getting by me with this kind of logic. Defend Gaspard how you will, but lets not pretend he gives a single **** about elves, or that he's better than Celene in that regard.

[Colonelkillabee]

I very much doubt burning alienages is part of the Chevalier lifestyle. 

Na, just killing them at the end of training when drunk.

[Master Warder Z_]

I very much doubt burning alienages is part of the Chevalier lifestyle.

No doubt but he's been leading forces against the enemies of Orlais for decades.

Civil insurrection would be right up his alley.

[Br3admax]

News flash, that happens everywhere, and while I don't excuse the harsh punishments, those elves broke the law and suffer the same punishment that everyone else does. And it's not as if Gaspard designed it, or as if Celene tried to stop it. 

 

No doubt but he's been leading forces against the enemies of Orlais for decades.

Civil insurrection would be right up his alley.

I also very much doubt the uneducated and the impoverished are able to cause such uprisings. Such things always happen with outside help. No one is going to give that to elves. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Fair enough.