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[StrangeStrategy]

Gaspard Pros:

- Military leader.

- A good fighter.

- Probably not clever enough to hurt the Inquisition too badly.

- You know what to expect from him.

Gaspard Cons:
- Not a good player of the game.

- Despite being a military leader, even he couldn't defend Orlais when he had to (Redcliffe Future; Orlais falls even under his rule)

- Without being controlled by Briala, City Elves still suffer.

- Wants a war with Ferelden... The Inquisition is here to restore order, not create war, yes? To the war table!

 

Celene Pros:
- Encourages culture

- Encourages education

- Encourages equality

- One of the best players of the game

- Doesn't want more war.

Celene Cons:

- Like every Orlesian, including Gaspard, she uses underhanded tactics to win.

- She makes tough decisions that can be used to damn her.

- She hasn't married or produced an heir.

 

So, what would happen if Gaspard took the throne? Probably war with Ferelden. If averted, then I imagine he rules like Robert Baratheon... He gets the throne, then doesn't know what to do with it. Like Celene, he wants a strong Orlais. Celene does this with Culture/Education/Diplomacy, Gaspard would do it with Violence. If he can't have a war with Ferelden, then what? You just took away the one thing he does well.

[DuskWanderer]

 

Celene give Oralis 20 years of peace. An easily crushed Eleven revolt hardly makes for unstable Orlais. And all things considered, the mage uprising was so bad. If it wasn't for Cory, the concave likely would have brought the war to an end.

 

Besides, Gaspard was planning revolt before either event. Hes just greedy.

 

 

Then I will happily give praise to Justinia, not Celene. How is the revolt "easily crushed" again? Celene had years to do it and all the resources she wanted. You have to expose Briala for the fraud she is to crush the rebellion. 

 

How is Gaspard greedy? Celene usurped the throne from him. 

[DuskWanderer]

Gaspard Pros:

- Military leader.

- A good fighter.

- Probably not clever enough to hurt the Inquisition too badly.

- You know what to expect from him.

Gaspard Cons:
- Not a good player of the game.

- Despite being a military leader, even he couldn't defend Orlais when he had to (Redcliffe Future; Orlais falls even under his rule)

- Without being controlled by Briala, City Elves still suffer.

- Wants a war with Ferelden... The Inquisition is here to restore order, not create war, yes? To the war table!

 

Celene Pros:
- Encourages culture

- Encourages education

- Encourages equality

- One of the best players of the game

- Doesn't want more war.

Celene Cons:

- Like every Orlesian, including Gaspard, she uses underhanded tactics to win.

- She makes tough decisions that can be used to damn her.

- She hasn't married or produced an heir.

 

So, what would happen if Gaspard took the throne? Probably war with Ferelden. If averted, then I imagine he rules like Robert Baratheon... He gets the throne, then doesn't know what to do with it. Like Celene, he wants a strong Orlais. Celene does this with Culture/Education/Diplomacy, Gaspard would do it with Violence. If he can't have a war with Ferelden, then what? You just took away the one thing he does well.

 

Gaspard does not rule Orlais in the Bad Future: Celene's murder is pinned on him, he is executed, and Orlais falls to infighting, which is what Corypheus uses. This was Florianne's entire plan. 

 

Celene does not encourage equality, she lets the elves rot unless you reunite her with Briala. She also goes to war with Ferelden if you don't make peace. 

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Celene does not encourage equality, she lets the elves rot unless you reunite her with Briala.

She's never genuinely care for them, and she sees the Elves as nothing more than her power base anyway. Remember how quick she throws them away when Orlesian nobility question her loyalty to Orlais. She burns the Alienage in Halamshiral to ensure her power on the throne, to save her own skin.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Gaspard does not rule Orlais in the Bad Future: Celene's murder is pinned on him, he is executed, and Orlais falls to infighting, which is what Corypheus uses. This was Florianne's entire plan. 

 

Celene does not encourage equality, she lets the elves rot unless you reunite her with Briala. She also goes to war with Ferelden if you don't make peace. 

That is completely and utterly wrong. Celene values diplomacy and that is her main trait as ruler apart from supporting culture. The peace option with Ferelden if she rules outright says that she has no interest in invading Ferelden. In fact, I believe Cullen says that chevaliers are opposing her BECAUSE she is trying to make peace with Ferelden and Nevarra rather than fighting them. Gaspard is the one who starts a war with Ferelden if you don't do the peace.

[Master Warder Z_]

That is completely and utterly wrong. Celene values diplomacy and that is her main trait as ruler

No her bowing to the court is her main trait of being a ruler.

Gaspard doesn't bow period.

[thesuperdarkone2]

No her bowing to the court is her main trait of being a ruler.

Gaspard doesn't bow period.

By threatening and killing anyone who doesn't agree with him. Funny how Hardened Leliana acts similarly but she is hated for that.

[Valerius]

Yea Gaspard doesn't outright say he going to war with any country. He says that Orlais cant let Nevarra and Fereldan chip away at their border, which I didn't know Fereldan was doing ( I doubt they are ). He goes on to say he will make Orlais the strongest country again, and with his preference to war its implied that he will to war with someone.

You can help him settle disputes with Fereldan but I think he will go to war with Nevarra at some point becaause I believe the Nevarran retook some land from them and they hate each. He may Invade Tevinter

If he is stupid enough to invade Tevinter I wonder how anyone could make him an emperor. Tevinter would wipe the floor with Orlais if they wished.

[Gab]

I think that the Inquisition would have Ferelden covered and, depending on who was Divine, Nevarra might be safe as well. So it might have to be Tevinter. Particularly if other people were looking at them, partly due to their part in the recent troubles and due to the fact that there seems to be another conflict with the Qunari brewing there. Not to mention that Gaspard, in some versions, has Briala watching him closely and war with Tevinter would make Elves everywhere happy.

[Gab]

I'm sorry, but no. They'd be fighting on two fronts. As soon as an Orlesian-Nevarran coalition attacked the southern border the Qunari would go for the northern coast. Tevinter would be boxed in with it's back against the wall.

 

I say this as a huge fan of Tevinter.

 

They would do well to stop an uprising from within as well, at that point. All those years of slavery would come back to haunt them.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I'm sorry, but no. They'd be fighting on two fronts. As soon as an Orlesian-Nevarran coalition attacked the southern border the Qunari would go for the northern coast. Tevinter would be boxed in with it's back against the wall.

 

I say this as a huge fan of Tevinter.

Tevinter never fell despite suffering the Second Blight, the Qunari Invasion, and 4 Exalted Marches. What makes you invading now will change that? Considering that the last time Orlais failed at invading a province it nearly wound up crippling the country as confirmed in World of Thedas. Celene is the reason that Orlais went from practically crippled to a powerhouse again. Gaspard's invasion would likely fail and cripple Orlais again.

[Barquiel]

Tevinter has been doing an excellent job of preventing the Qunari from getting more of a foothold in the Thedas mainland. Attacking them isn't much better than attacking Ferelden because the Qunari are the only ones who would benefit from such a war.

[Gab]

Minrathous isn't Tevinter. And Tevinter has never fought off a double pronged invasion. Gab also raises the issue of internal strife.

 

**** Celene. She's a massive ****. This is a Gaspard thread.

 

There would be a huge number of nations and organisations lining up to take them down and most of those nations would have sympathiser inside Tevinter already. If they could withstand that, it is surprising that they have not gone out to take the other nations already. They certainly don't hold back due to lack of ambition and respect for the other nations is not high on their list of qualities either. From what has been said about how they Elves brought themselves down and Tevinter cleaned up after, their strength might well have been exaggerated all this time.

[Gab]

It's not so much paper tiger as it is opposition on all sides. If Nevarra or Orlais or both decide to attack the Qunari wouldn't squander the chance to flank them. They could turtle up, but this isn't the Imperium of old with an empire's supply of food stores. The Qunari, Orlais/Nevarra would eventually wear them down through attrition.

 

Yes, agreed, just had a look at all the info on the Qunari wars and Imperium and it is, no doubt, a powerful nation. Probably the only thing that keeps them safe is the distrust of the Qunari forces, although the events surrounding the Inquisition might change that.

[Ser Kilroy]

Gaspard would focus Orlais externally. No direct wins for culture and arts, but secured borders allow those to flourish anyway. Difference being they aren't government sponsored. Orlais and Nevarra still have beef over Perendale (much like the situation over Jader with Ferelden). But if the Inquisition can get Gaspard and Alistair to sit down and talk the same should be possible with Markus. If Gaspard is alive and in power it'll be a case of Southern Thedas and Nevarra vs the Imperium and the Qunari.

whats the issue over Jader?

[Master Warder Z_]

whats the issue over Jader?

It's contested as territory of Fereldan.

[Augustei]

It's contested as territory of Fereldan.

It is? How? Where is this mentioned?

[Milan92]

It's culturally Fereldan and falls on the Fereldan part of the map table, but officially remains part of the Orlesian Empire.

 

But the Ferelden monarch could push a De jure claim if they wanted then?

 

Not that it would be really wise. I doubt they would want another war with Orlais.

 

Beter to work together and keep Tevinter in check.

[Milan92]

 

I disagree. Loghain would've brokered an alliance with Tevinter if it wasn't for the Hero of Ferelden and those meddling kids. As of DA:I helping Orlais and Nevarra against Tevinter is the smart thing to do

 

I guess depending on who you put on the throne. Trevelyan can apperantly get an alliance with both Tevinter and Nevarra thanks to their relatives, but I doubt that will actually be a choice in the keep.