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[ctd757]

Hmmm might make a Cousland Prince

[Gambit458]

Can someone explain to me what it means when they're hardened. By hardened, I kind of think of Mass Effect where you companions become loyal to you but don't think that's the same sense in Dragon Age. As for Anora, she makes a comment about how Alistair rules in saying that she reminds her of Cailan. The way she said it though sounded like "Maybe this won't be so bad". Someone brought up Anora being infertile..if that's true, I'm assuming that would be a problem if there were to be a heir later down the road lol I just figured Anora would feel something for him eventually because Cailan and Alistair's personalities were a little similar. They were both kinda goofy lol

[TK514]

We don't see enough of them in DA:I to really say what their love life is like, but from what we do see, it's pretty clear they are on the same page about at least one issue.  I seem to recall that they end up being very complimentary rulers in the various DA:O epilogues, so I guess there's that.

[errantknight]

Can someone explain to me what it means when they're hardened. By hardened, I kind of think of Mass Effect where you companions become loyal to you but don't think that's the same sense in Dragon Age. As for Anora, she makes a comment about how Alistair rules in saying that she reminds her of Cailan. The way she said it though sounded like "Maybe this won't be so bad". Someone brought up Anora being infertile..if that's true, I'm assuming that would be a problem if there were to be a heir later down the road lol I just figured Anora would feel something for him eventually because Cailan and Alistair's personalities were a little similar. They were both kinda goofy lol

Allistair has a poor self image and if he isn't told that he has to look out for himself in a particular conversation, he will never step up to be a leader because he will never believe he can. He's been told that he's not capablle for his whole life and he believes it. The mechanic to get him to start thinking for himelf of kind of mean. Apparently it wasn't supposed to be that abrupt, but...editing.

 

It's referred to as hardening because you're basically tellling him not to trust everyone not to do him harm, hence, hardening his outlook. His character doesn't become different, but he'll do things of his own volition, some that people don't expect. When the romance isn't there, he'll make himself king. The romance kind of screws that up because he reverts to unhardened dialogue to allow the female PC to try to make herself queen.

[Gambit458]

Oh. think I'll have to remember that on my next playthrough. Guess I was afraid to get some disapprove points if I got too strict with him about the King bit lol

[errantknight]

Oh. think I'll have to remember that on my next playthrough. Guess I was afraid to get some disapprove points if I got too strict with him about the King bit lol

It's not a king conversation. If you want the details, message me and I'llll tell you about it .

[Shinobu]

I think it's entirely possible that they have come to love each other in the past 10 years.

 

IIRC, when a Warden romancing Alistair talks to Anora at Eamon's estate in DA:O Anora brings up the possibility that they might wind up having feelings for each other. It was something along the lines of "I didn't love Cailan when I married him but we came to truly care for each other, and Alistair is very like him." It could be interpreted as an honest assessment or as Anora trying to manipulate the warden into letting her rule alone. I took it as the former.

 

Also, Alistair is rather starved for affection and Anora can be kind. She says: "Maric's boys are charming and happiest when they have a woman to dote upon." In the case where he doesn't allow himself a mistress I can see him committing fully to the marriage and winning her over. Especially as he is more capable/savvy than Cailan and can be more of an equal partner.

 

Of course, all this is moot since Alistair ran off to Amaranthine with my Warden. And they're going to live happily ever after, dammit! I don't care how many DA protagonists I have to sacrifice!

[AlexMBrennan]

Their joining at the time was a convenience as it benefited both sides but it's struck my curiosity as to how to the two feel about each other at this point.

Iirc the last time a king wanted a divorce, he had to start the Church of England to get it so I don't think there are any realistic options other than "stay married (and produce an heir)"

[Augustei]

Doubtful, He is to much like Cailan and I doubt she even Respects him after he ran off to play adventurer in the comics.
Its never confirmed but hinted at that she does grow to like the Warden however, Her appearence in Awakening and the Epilogue suggest this

[errantknight]

Iirc the last time a king wanted a divorce, he had to start the Church of England to get it so I don't think there are any realistic options other than "stay married (and produce an heir)"

If there was an heir, they could separate, if not divorce. He may have his fingers crossed that the HoF finds that cure for more than one reason. Thing is, he's only do that if it was what Anora wanted, too. He wouldn't want to humiliate her like his brother did.

[Augustei]

Iirc the last time a king wanted a divorce, he had to start the Church of England to get it so I don't think there are any realistic options other than "stay married (and produce an heir)"

Thats what annulments are for

But as for Thedas, its been done. One of the Emperors of Orlais divorced his Nevarran wife...though to be fair thats probably because The Imperial Throne used to have the Chantry leashed.

But yeah Alistair could get an Annulment, It'd be a really dumb move and cause a civil war, but he could.

Well not now, my Inquisitor and Vivienne would not allow it. But that idiot Beatrix III might have
Heck if he asked for it before the events of DAI and Celene was smart She would have forced the chantry to grant it. Having Ferelden fall to another civil war? The Chevaliers could practically stroll into Denerim when all was said and done.

[MightyZan]

I like to think that over the ten years they've been living and ruling together they have grown on each other.

 

Not a burning passion of love no, but affection yes (If not love itself).

 

Maybe they've even been good for each other.

 

Just my headcanon though.

[Gambit458]

Doubtful, He is to much like Cailan and I doubt she even Respects him after he ran off to play adventurer in the comics.
Its never confirmed but hinted at that she does grow to like the Warden however, Her appearence in Awakening and the Epilogue suggest this

Don't see why she'd have a problem with that. She had no problem with him leading the men into battle against the Arch Demon. I think she actually mentions how she governs while her husband, Cailan at the time, would meet with others.  She doesn't always appear in Awakening. I had Alistair appear in my playthrough

[Apo]

During the war table involving Ferelden rulers, even in Alistair and Anora reigns jointly, it's always Alistair who adress the Inquisition (murder attempts by venatoris and peace between Ferelden and Orlais).

 

There is a line in HoF dialogue when conving Alistair to marry her that resumes it : "She rules while you lead, it's perfect !"

[Little Princess Peach]

Your Warden is in denial after marrying a harpy and probably crying himself to sleep every night.

I know my warden would be if she had to marry that power hungry beep

but it's hard to tell if they love each other heck im not sure if Alistair still loves his warden queen because its never mentioned

[Augustei]

Don't see why she'd have a problem with that. She had no problem with him leading the men into battle against the Arch Demon. I think she actually mentions how she governs while her husband, Cailan at the time, would meet with others.  She doesn't always appear in Awakening. I had Alistair appear in my playthrough

She had no problem with A king being among his soldiers in Ostagar no, But if she knew he was in the vanguard on the frontlines you can bet she would have had a problem with it as her father did and anybody with sense should. Just look at what happened, the heirless King died and a civil war ensued.
I cant imagine Anora wouldn't have a problem with Alistair announcing his Kingly prescence in a room packed full with Tevinter Magisters as he reveals he's there to kill one of them. If he got captured while out adventuring his ransom could bankrupt the still blight recovering nation.

 

[Gambit458]

She had no problem with A king being among his soldiers in Ostagar no, But if she knew he was in the vanguard on the frontlines you can bet she would have had a problem with it as her father did and anybody with sense should. Just look at what happened, the heirless King died and a civil war ensued.
I cant imagine Anora wouldn't have a problem with Alistair announcing his Kingly prescence in a room packed full with Tevinter Magisters as he reveals he's there to kill one of them. If he got captured while out adventuring his ransom could bankrupt the still blight recovering nation.

 

How do you know she'd be upset about it? "Anybody with sense"..Sounds more like just your opinion. If it was that much of a problem then we wouldn't have seen them together in Inquisition Besides, if Anora doesn't care about him, do recall that she wanted Alistair executed in Origins. She did stab your Warden in the back in front of Cautherian or w.e her name was when you try to break Anora free and try to get her to talk to Cauth. 

[errantknight]

You guys realize you're having a headcanon fight, right?

[Shinobu]

You guys realize you're having a headcanon fight, right?

 

What else do we have to do?

[Augustei]

How do you know she'd be upset about it? "Anybody with sense"..Sounds more like just your opinion. If it was that much of a problem then we wouldn't have seen them together in Inquisition Besides, if Anora doesn't care about him, do recall that she wanted Alistair executed in Origins. She did stab your Warden in the back in front of Cautherian or w.e her name was when you try to break Anora free and try to get her to talk to Cauth. 

So your saying its fine that the heirless King was fighting on the frontlines? Yeah most people wouldn't find that okay. Not only is it my opinion, but it would be an opinion shared by anybody with even a modicum of common sense.

Ofc we would still see them together in Inquisition, She cant really kick him off the throne now can she? He has Guerrin and Cousland backing. It would cause a civil war where she starts off with the two most powerful noble families already against her.

and ofc she stabbed you in the back in that case, Cauthrien is ultimately loyal to Loghain, not the Queen. Not to mention she is trying to build an Alliance with the Wardens, it helps little to go and have Loghain find out about that. I have a hard time picturing Anora loving A Warden silly enough to reveal her but w/e. Cant expect Bioware to account for all the different type of Warden personalities

[Gambit458]

So your saying its fine that the heirless King was fighting on the frontlines? Yeah most people wouldn't find that okay. Not only is it my opinion, but it would be an opinion shared by anybody with even a modicum of common sense.

Ofc we would still see them together in Inquisition, She cant really kick him off the throne now can she? He has Guerrin and Cousland backing. It would cause a civil war where she starts off with the two most powerful noble families already against her.

and ofc she stabbed you in the back in that case, Cauthrien is ultimately loyal to Loghain, not the Queen. Not to mention she is trying to build an Alliance with the Wardens, it helps little to go and have Loghain find out about that. I have a hard time picturing Anora loving A Warden silly enough to reveal her but w/e. Cant expect Bioware to account for all the different type of Warden personalities

If I recall, didn't someone mention Anora was infertile? If true then it wouldn't matter if he's heirless if he's married to a woman who is incapable of having a child. Was he not heirless when he went to fight the Arch Demon? What do you think would have happened had he died then? Smh. What I meant was you can see that Anora takes some traits from her father. Anora isn't exactly a perfect little girl who has no flaws at all. No it is only your opinion. Next

[Augustei]

If I recall, didn't someone mention Anora was infertile? If true then it wouldn't matter if he's heirless if he's married to a woman who is incapable of having a child. Was he not heirless when he went to fight the Arch Demon? What do you think would have happened had he died then? Smh. What I meant was you can see that Anora takes some traits from her father. Anora isn't exactly a perfect little girl who has no flaws at all. No it is only your opinion. Next

I was talking about Cailan not Alistair. Cailan did plan to remarry, He just chose the Empress of Orlais of all people because the guys a moron.

Alistair is an exception to the rule because the guy is one of the only remaining Grey Wardens in the country, theres no real other choice there than for him to fight the Archdemon or risk the countrys destruction.

But generally speaking, for an heirless King, the last of the royal family. To fight in the vanguard on the frontlines. Most people would agree thats moronic. Unless they think Civil wars that could have been avoided are fine, in which case I would advise they never bother studying or going into a career in politics.


 

[Carmen_Willow]

I find it interesting that everyone's talking about children between these two when there are two factors that probably mean no kids, ever.

 

1. Anora had no children in her first marriage, and is possibly infertile on her own.

2. While Alistair was still fertile enough to possibly make a god baby with Morrigan, after ten years any Grey Warden would be completely infertile because of the taint. Even more to the point, considering what the Blight may have done to Alistair's DNA, I am not at all certain that a baby would be a welcome thing.  I suspect that the next King of Ferelden will be elected at the Landsmeet of the future, or will be the Teyrn of Highever who is next in line in precedence (Anora taking her father's dignity for her own).

 

If Alistair produces another child, it truly would be some kind of supernatural event, though not necessarily a miracle, although there may be a living heir to the throne now who has a witch for a mother. Now, THERE'S a good plot twist for the next DA tale!  Shades of Le Morte d'Arthur!

[Augustei]

Fergus Cousland will end up being the next King of Ferelden most likely.
Guy is the most powerful noble in the country, potentially has a sibling already on the throne.
 

[TeraBat]

Iirc the last time a king wanted a divorce, he had to start the Church of England to get it so I don't think there are any realistic options other than "stay married (and produce an heir)"

 

A - The situation was more complicated than that. The Pope at the time was effectively under control of the Spanish royal family; even being imprisoned for six months in a Spanish castle until giving various concessions. Catherine of Aragon was a member of this family, and there was no way that the Pope was going to anger the people who had power over him by signing off on an annulment (not divorce) that would reduce Queen Catherine's standing in the world, including her daughter Princess Mary (if an annulment was granted, Princess Mary would automatically become illegitimate and thus unable to inherit the English throne). So it wasn't a doctrinal issue at all; just politics as usual. 

 

B - Ferelden isn't Renaissance England. in fact, you can find a letter in the Return to Ostagar DLC in which King Cailan was being pressured to divorce Anora and marry Empress Celene. Cailan, it turns out, didn't need to start up a branch of Chantry in order to get a divorce; he just had to avoid being set up to die by his father-in-law (he failed).