Fergus Cousland will end up being the next King of Ferelden most likely.
Guy is the most powerful noble in the country, potentially has a sibling already on the throne.
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy in my view, but I suspect it will be his son or daughter. Let us hope he remarries.
Despite the desire to keep a King from physically entering a battle for obvious reasons, there are times when Kings, even those without heirs must enter the battle. Richard the III did so at his ill-fated meeting at Bosworth with Henry Tudor (though, like Cailan it did not go well for him),He did so because those who were supposed to be his reserve failed to enter the battle on his behalf. He saw that his only chance of victory was to kill Henry on the field. He did not succeed. Henry did the same thing when his son was an infant when Lincoln and the other Yorkists rose in revolt some years later. Oxford had the Van and was in danger of being flanked, and Henry, the seventh of that name, rode into the thick of it with his household guard to shore up Oxford and keep them from being flanked.
Despite the desire to keep a King from physically entering a battle for obvious reasons, there are times when Kings, even those without heirs must enter the battle. Richard the III did so at his ill-fated meeting at Bosworth with Henry Tudor (though, like Cailan it did not go well for him),He did so because those who were supposed to be his reserve failed to enter the battle on his behalf. He saw that his only chance of victory was to kill Henry on the field. He did not succeed. Henry did the same thing when his son was an infant when Lincoln and the other Yorkists rose in revolt some years later. Oxford had the Van and was in danger of being flanked, and Henry, the seventh of that name, rode into the thick of it with his household guard to shore up Oxford and keep them from being flanked.
Its fine in a civil war, Theres already a conflict in place and if they die their enemy inherits the throne =P
A - The situation was more complicated than that. The Pope at the time was effectively under control of the Spanish royal family; even being imprisoned for six months in a Spanish castle until giving various concessions. Catherine of Aragon was a member of this family, and there was no way that the Pope was going to anger the people who had power over him by signing off on an annulment (not divorce) that would reduce Queen Catherine's standing in the world, including her daughter Princess Mary (if an annulment was granted, Princess Mary would automatically become illegitimate and thus unable to inherit the English throne). So it wasn't a doctrinal issue at all; just politics as usual.
B - Ferelden isn't Renaissance England. in fact, you can find a letter in the Return to Ostagar DLC in which King Cailan was being pressured to divorce Anora and marry Empress Celene. Cailan, it turns out, didn't need to start up a branch of Chantry in order to get a divorce; he just had to avoid being set up to die by his father-in-law (he failed).
LOL being set up to die by his father in law? You will recall Loghain insisted Cailan NOT fight on the frontlines yet Cailan insisted he will. Anyway David Gaider confirmed that Loghain didn't decide to quit the field until the signal was lit
LOL being set up to die by his father in law? You will recall Loghain insisted Cailan NOT fight on the frontlines yet Cailan insisted he will. Anyway David Gaider confirmed that Loghain didn't decide to quit the field until the signal was lit
I was mostly being snarky (see sig), but Loghain has some really *interesting* things to say if he's in your party during Return to Ostagar. The larger point was basically that the Andrastian Chantry isn't, as far as anyone can tell, as staunchly anti-divorce as the medieval/early Renaissance Roman Catholic Church; so it's unlikely Cailan would have had to enact the same sort of political upheaval as Henry VII if he really had his heart set on divorcing Anora.
Despite the desire to keep a King from physically entering a battle for obvious reasons, there are times when Kings, even those without heirs must enter the battle. Richard the III did so at his ill-fated meeting at Bosworth with Henry Tudor (though, like Cailan it did not go well for him),He did so because those who were supposed to be his reserve failed to enter the battle on his behalf. He saw that his only chance of victory was to kill Henry on the field. He did not succeed. Henry did the same thing when his son was an infant when Lincoln and the other Yorkists rose in revolt some years later. Oxford had the Van and was in danger of being flanked, and Henry, the seventh of that name, rode into the thick of it with his household guard to shore up Oxford and keep them from being flanked.
Pharaoh Ramses II was notable for also leading his troops into battle; though that might also have been straight up bragging on his tomb walls in an attempt to impress the gods.
I was mostly being snarky (see sig), but Loghain has some really *interesting* things to say if he's in your party during Return to Ostagar. The larger point was basically that the Andrastian Chantry isn't, as far as anyone can tell, as staunchly anti-divorce as the medieval/early Renaissance Roman Catholic Church; so it's unlikely Cailan would have had to enact the same sort of political upheaval as Henry VII if he really had his heart set on divorcing Anora.
Pharaoh Ramses II was notable for also leading his troops into battle; though that might also have been straight up bragging on his tomb walls in an attempt to impress the gods.
Even if the Andrastian Chantry was against divorce, I don't dont The Orlesian Throne would have pressured them into granting an annulment to suit Orlais's political designs.
But yeah I'm not against rulers leading their troops into battle, Heck many Roman Emperors did. It's important to establish some form of Martial Credibility. I just feel Cailan was an idiot for doing so, The way he went about it. Guy was fighting Darkspawn in the Vanguard on the very front lines, despite being the last of his dynasty and having no heirs while living in a feudal society.
I imagine Alistair and Anora's relationship would depend on whether or not Loghain was executed or spared. I could definitely see Anora holding a severe grudge against him for demanding her father's death.
LOL being set up to die by his father in law? You will recall Loghain insisted Cailan NOT fight on the frontlines yet Cailan insisted he will. Anyway David Gaider confirmed that Loghain didn't decide to quit the field until the signal was lit
It is David's story, but if Loghain didn't decide, then why did he poison the Arl ahead of time? Was that "just in case" he wanted to betray his King? Did David say whether or not Loghain knew his underling was going to go rogue and betray his overlord, kill his wife and attempt to kill both his children? Whatever Loghain may have consciously determined, I think he really knew what he was going to do. I mean, how was he going to explain all the Shenanigans in which he was involved? Was he going to pin it all on Howe? "Gee, Cailan, I didn't know he was going to slaughter the Teyrn, really!" Loghain is a STRATEGIST! He said those words knowing it would egg Cailan on, at least in my head canon. I give him props for being good at malicious mischief, but I honestly think he planned treason one way or another. I thought he was a great MacBeth!
It is David's story, but if Loghain didn't decide, then why did he poison the Arl ahead of time? Was that "just in case" he wanted to betray his King? Did David say whether or not Loghain knew his underling was going to go rogue and betray his overlord, kill his wife and attempt to kill both his children? Whatever Loghain may have consciously determined, I think he really knew what he was going to do. I mean, how was he going to explain all the Shenanigans in which he was involved? Was he going to pin it all on Howe? "Gee, Cailan, I didn't know he was going to slaughter the Teyrn, really!" Loghain is a STRATEGIST! He said those words knowing it would egg Cailan on, at least in my head canon. I give him props for being good at malicious mischief, but I honestly think he planned treason one way or another. I thought he was a great MacBeth!
I got the feeling that Howe had more to do with Eamon being poisoned than Loghain. It's Howe who brings up using a Crow against your Warden; it's easy to imagine he also suggested having Eamon poisoned, and that he hired Jowan in Loghain's name.
I also thought that Eamon got poisoned after Ostagar. You spend an undefined amount of time recuperating in Flemeth's hut, then you spend some time in Lothering before even getting the chance to go to Redcliffe. More than enough time for Howe or Loghain to send a message
It is David's story, but if Loghain didn't decide, then why did he poison the Arl ahead of time? Was that "just in case" he wanted to betray his King? Did David say whether or not Loghain knew his underling was going to go rogue and betray his overlord, kill his wife and attempt to kill both his children? Whatever Loghain may have consciously determined, I think he really knew what he was going to do. I mean, how was he going to explain all the Shenanigans in which he was involved? Was he going to pin it all on Howe? "Gee, Cailan, I didn't know he was going to slaughter the Teyrn, really!" Loghain is a STRATEGIST! He said those words knowing it would egg Cailan on, at least in my head canon. I give him props for being good at malicious mischief, but I honestly think he planned treason one way or another. I thought he was a great MacBeth!
Loghain didn't know about Howes plans Gaider confirmed this as well. Loghain is a master strategist on the field as we're told in The Stolen Throne, but I don't think the guy has much skill when it comes to politics and intrigue, thats Howes game and thats why Loghain relys on him in such matters. People say he should have done something about Howe but by the time Loghain returned from Ostagar Howe was one of the most powerful people in the Kingdom, He controlled Amaranthine, Highever and Denerim. Tbh I feel making an Enemy of Howe, especially after a civil war with the bannorn had just begun, would have been a huge mistake.
As for the poisoning of Eamon, tbh idk this one but i'd assumed the following:
He had that elf in the tavern on standby to inform him how the Arl was, the poison wasn't actually fatal it was just to get Cailans most powerful supporter out of the way and Loghain was going to provide an antidote later. (Though tbh I wish the poison was fatal)
Loghain was planning for a showdown with Cailan and challenging him after eroding his support base, he was going to demand they withdraw from Ostagar as Loghain made it clear he didn't want to be there, the Darkspawn forces kept growing in number with each new attack and it was becoming evident they couldn't hold it. And he was going to demand Cailan close the borders to the 4 legions of chevaliers on their way.
But as I said this is just speculation, we don't know much regarding the poisoning of Eamon.
Doubtful, He is to much like Cailan and I doubt she even Respects him after he ran off to play adventurer in the comics.
Its never confirmed but hinted at that she does grow to like the Warden however, Her appearence in Awakening and the Epilogue suggest this
In that case she wouldn't respect the Warden she married either.
Pharaoh Ramses II was notable for also leading his troops into battle; though that might also have been straight up bragging on his tomb walls in an attempt to impress the gods.
Alexander the Great was famous for leading from the front, though perhaps he was a bit too reckless at times. He was nearly killed on more than one occasion and was wounded a couple of times.
Although not a king like Alexander, Julius Caesar also had a reputation for personally joining a fight if troops were wavering or the issue was in doubt.
I got the feeling that Howe had more to do with Eamon being poisoned than Loghain. It's Howe who brings up using a Crow against your Warden; it's easy to imagine he also suggested having Eamon poisoned, and that he hired Jowan in Loghain's name.
I also thought that Eamon got poisoned after Ostagar. You spend an undefined amount of time recuperating in Flemeth's hut, then you spend some time in Lothering before even getting the chance to go to Redcliffe. More than enough time for Howe or Loghain to send a message
No, as I recall, Jowan specifically states that he met Loghain, who offered him the deal and sent him to Redcliffe to poison the Arl. And if you talk to the Redcliffe knight in the chantry at Lothering, he tells you that the Arl is ill and that Isolde has sent them to find the Ashes. They would have tried regular and magical healing before sending all the knights out to find the ashes. Howe's an evil demon, but it was Loghain who sent Jowan on his way.
I imagine Alistair and Anora's relationship would depend on whether or not Loghain was executed or spared. I could definitely see Anora holding a severe grudge against him for demanding her father's death.
Actually she only feels resent against the man, I would say or woman but this is in regards to Anora having feelings towards Alistair or a Grey Warden, who actually kills her father. Anora can't really hold a grudge against Alistair for wanting that when he wasn't the only one who felt that way.
Loghain didn't know about Howes plans Gaider confirmed this as well. Loghain is a master strategist on the field as we're told in The Stolen Throne, but I don't think the guy has much skill when it comes to politics and intrigue, thats Howes game and thats why Loghain relys on him in such matters. People say he should have done something about Howe but by the time Loghain returned from Ostagar Howe was one of the most powerful people in the Kingdom, He controlled Amaranthine, Highever and Denerim. Tbh I feel making an Enemy of Howe, especially after a civil war with the bannorn had just begun, would have been a huge mistake.
As for the poisoning of Eamon, tbh idk this one but i'd assumed the following:
He had that elf in the tavern on standby to inform him how the Arl was, the poison wasn't actually fatal it was just to get Cailans most powerful supporter out of the way and Loghain was going to provide an antidote later. (Though tbh I wish the poison was fatal)
Loghain was planning for a showdown with Cailan and challenging him after eroding his support base, he was going to demand they withdraw from Ostagar as Loghain made it clear he didn't want to be there, the Darkspawn forces kept growing in number with each new attack and it was becoming evident they couldn't hold it. And he was going to demand Cailan close the borders to the 4 legions of chevaliers on their way.
But as I said this is just speculation, we don't know much regarding the poisoning of Eamon.
if you dont mind me snipping abit. but as soon as you said. "Loghain is a master strategist on the field as we're told in The Stolen Throne, but I don't think the guy has much skill when it comes to politics and intrigue, thats Howes game and thats why Loghain relys on him in such matters" Means that Loghain gave consent, and control over such matters to Howle. And is thus Loghain's fualt that it happened. As he is to take responsblity for what his lackys do.
Edit: Truthfully the reaction to the whole posioning the Earl was sadly downplayed from the whole, "Lets have a duel to decide"
Alistair stay as a warden much more presence in DAI (Eamon go back to Redclieffe) , Anora as queen better with HNM and you will have one of the best world-state
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