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[Vyndral]

I thought of playing an elf. But since I played a female Qunari first, I can't get over how sickly and stupid the elves look. So the first time I am forced into a scene with my pajamas displaying my disgustingly under feed form, I am forced to quit. It says something when the elves that join you have different bodies then your elven character.

[MetalGear312]

It does seem like the story was tailored for elf characters. But I love playing my qunari mage, and I find the elven character boring; regardless of the slew of extra content they get.

[CENIC]

Female elf Rift Mage romancing Solas does seem like the best way to get maximum plot relevance.

[jellobell]

Female elf Rift Mage romancing Solas does seem like the best way to get maximum plot relevance.

The nice thing about rift mage is that your Inquisitor gets to reference that she knows rift magic during Solas's personal quest. I thought that was a great touch.

[abisha]

I'm curious what makes people think a Dalish mage is better than say a Dalish Warrior or Rogue? 

 

it fits better, the current conflict is about Mages VS templars.

playing anything other then Mage is wasted game time, also you can play warrior/rogue while you still being a mage win/win.

 

also wanna add, playing dwarf,qunari or human is also wasted game time their is almost zero reason play those races, bit of fail by Bioware.

[Lucrece]

Yeah, well, male elves are disgusting and I won't make one, so I'm sticking with my qunari and human males. The proportions for male elves are all wrong. They got no musculature, okay, but on top of that their shoulders are narrow while their hips are wider and they end up looking like South Park moo-moo aliens.

 

I have tried but it's basically impossible to make an ttractive, masculine elf. And the casual wear makes you look like you got saggy mantits.

[Eterna]

it fits better, the current conflict is about Mages VS templars.

 

 

But what if I play an Elven Templar? 

[abisha]

But what if I play an Elven Templar? 

 

ah you mean Elven warrior, chosen the side of templar. *with templar skill training*

don't matter much you still within the conflict of mages VS templars.

[Jackal19851111]

Thanks guys, it's ironic because I ended up rolling an elf first due to the inability to walk in vanilla (and hence playing an nimble elf who runs around all the time was less immersion breaking lol). I guess I'll try to playthrough to the end, see what happens with my Qunari. Besides I am becoming fond of charging everyone and knocking them down. Terrors are a joke as a 2hander.

 

Still, its not just Abhor wilds, you have 2 elven ruins including exalted plains and the emerald graves, areas with ton of elven lore. Regardless I'll try

[ManOfSteel]

Human and Elf are the best fit for the story, I think. I loved my Qunari playtrough and I'll definitely take another Qunari through the story, but outside of feeling like badass personified and being generally awesome, I feel the story is tailored more towards humans and elves, given the events that unfold. 

[Yosharian]

Restricting romances to certain races is not the problem.  The problem is that a large percentage of the game is so bloody boring to play that it makes second/third playthroughs tedious.  Normally it's a GOOD thing that content is gated by class/race, it gives you extra incentive to play the game again!

[Innsmouth Dweller]

I found the elf play through a bit disappointing since she comes off as ignorant about elf stuff a but too much for my liking...she flunked her Dalish 101 course apparently. This is never an issue with a qunari since there's not much Qun lore to begin with and a Vasoth wouldn't know it much anyway.

Plus I think the Dalish armor looks ugly (at least for females).

Yet, I still go back to making elves since I prefer the Sera romance with one. It also seems like I can make more interesting looking elves in the CC for some reason.

yeah, it's somehow annoying that Dalish doesn't know elven mythology/culture/history as a shem does (ohai Morrigan). few extra dialogue options don't make out for the ignorance - even Merrill seemed more competent, gah.

 

if there will ever be a DA:Tevinter, i hope the PC is more interesting than the inquisitor. at least more rooted in the setting

 

on topic tho... yeah, my 1st PT was elven mage and i'm glad i wasn't spoiled - i rolled a dice to choose a race and i'm very happy with the result. the story is designed for elves, it's just such a huge piece of lore. sadly the PC is not fit to embrace it fully and player (me) can only facepalm while the toon speaks and/or makes decisions.

i don't think i'll have another PT tho - story is linear as hell and i hate the gameplay :3

[suntiger745]

The one big disconnect with me is when I enter one of the elven ruins/temples whatever and the Inquisitor starts going on about "The elves were this..." or "The elves did that...".   I figure a Dalish elf would use the phrase "My people did this..." instead of "The elves".  A big part of being Dalish is having a kinship with the elves of old and you would consider them as your people.  Using something like "The elves.." sounds like something a non-Dalish Inquisitor would say, or in my RP case, a city elf runaway who's only been with the Dalish a short time.

That's a relic from when the Inquisitor was supposed to be Hawke, or at least human only.
There are several such instances in the game, where lines or actions only makes sense for a human and not any of the other races.
Iron Bull taking you to mingle with the troops "in disguise" is another such moment.

[cyclopsgd]

Exactly the same here. My main was a human male warrior and I created a female elf mage for a fun playthrough but it's so much better. I'm already planning on loading my earliest save to completely perfect this after I complete this playthrough and I haven't even finished this playthrough.

[Pincey]

I'm curious what makes people think a Dalish mage is better than say a Dalish Warrior or Rogue? 

 

I'm wondering this as well, since the dialogue is the same if your a dalish woman romancing Solas. I think there is some class comments if you're a rift mage as mentioned by another poster and he does make a class comment concerning Knight Enchanter. My sis played a Knight enchanter romancing solas and I've made a champion warrior and did the same thing.

 

Maybe it's a Well of Sorrows thing since a dalish mage theoritically would be better than a dalish warrior but again dialogue is the same if either drink the well. Being a mage doesn't make you hear the voices better. Also elves have magical blood, so i dunno, The well would unlock the power of the blood even if your a not a mage?

 

A female dalish is better than a male because of the Solas angle. Other than that i don't see much difference between classes if your dalish. The story does seem more interesting if you dalish in general though.

[abisha]

I'm wondering this as well, since the dialogue is the same if your a dalish woman romancing Solas. I think there is some class comments if you're a rift mage as mentioned by another poster and he does make a class comment concerning Knight Enchanter. My sis played a Knight enchanter romancing solas and I've made a champion warrior and did the same thing.

 

Maybe it's a Well of Sorrows thing since a dalish mage theoritically would be better than a dalish warrior but again dialogue is the same if either drink the well. Being a mage doesn't make you hear the voices better. Also elves have magical blood, so i dunno, The well would unlock the power of the blood even if your a not a mage?

 

A female dalish is better than a male because of the Solas angle. Other than that i don't see much difference between classes if your dalish. The story does seem more interesting if you dalish in general though.

 

you have more game options playing as mage, for instance you can Tranquil mages as punishment. *only one of many other game options*

also their are more specials open in game if you playing mage. and also you have a free dps card while playing a mage 4 mages case devastation beyond imagination.

[Xiomara]

My first choice was an elf (just like in Origins) but I abandoned my playthrough as an archer because I got sick of looking at her. Seriously, I get that elves are supposed to be lithe and willowy but my archer looked like a pre-pubescent anorexic. It's a shame too because the Solas romance seems so appealing.

 

I loved my Qunari even though it just doesn't feel right that anyone would seriously consider her Andraste's chosen. She was the only one who didn't look gross in the casual clothes.

[Navasha]

I am actually finding it hard to do anything other than elf at the moment.   Even after experiencing the elf/solas romance.    Anything not elf seems to be lacking a lot of the 'feeling' in the story.  

 

I will eventually get around to my Qunari character, though I think I will be waiting on the first couple DLCs first. 

[Pincey]

you have more game options playing as mage, for instance you can Tranquil mages as punishment. *only one of many other game options*

also their are more specials open in game if you playing mage. and also you have a free dps card while playing a mage 4 mages case devastation beyond imagination.

 

I was talking about dialogue, story telling and such. The difference in dialogue between a Dalish mage and dalish that isn't mage isn't much or close to non existant.

 

My point was if you are playing a Dalish, there isn't much difference between being a Dalish mage or a Dalish warrior concerning dialogue. Those things are dependent on race. I was responding to people that play dalish saying a mage is better than a non mage dalish. I didn't see that difference if we are talking about the Dalish experience. You get more from the Dalish story if you romance solas so female dalish is superiour to male dalish in that regard. And in the story in general resonates better with a Dalish inquisitor.

 

What you are mentioning is gameplay combat bonus which happens if you are a mage, being dalish inquistor makes no difference to the things you mention. I don't see much difference in combat between a Qunari knight enchanter or Dalish Knight enchanter if they are specced right. A Qunari mage will still get tranquility just like any Dalish mage would and be able to only do it during two judgements.

 

You mention getting more specials concerning if you are playing as a mage. I've played as a dalish warrior, qunari mage and dalish rogue. So i'm curious as to what i've missed dialogue wise since you claim mage is better experience? Combat doesn't count since all classes play different and some team options are better for killing. I'm more interested in dialogue choices. For judgements i could tranquil two tranquil two people, i could give a special dialogue when i become The Inquistor in skyhold when i was a mage. Being a mage didn't make me better when i drank the well, it was the same with stuff with my non mage. They were still whispers, i didn't hear them louder. Flemeth didn't react differently to me if i was a mage or not. However she have more dialogue if i had chantry history perk and if i'm dalish i could ask why she didn't answer my prayers. If i'm a Champion i get a special class dialogue option with the Grand Duke at the ball which is unavailable to any mage. If i had arcane research perk, i am able to recruit alexius as an inquisition agent, and discover the Gaes placed on the well. However this isn't class dependant. Mage or non mage says the same things. I don't remember having different war table missions other than the class spec one. They were dependent on other choices which isn't dependant on class.

Modifié par Pincey, 04 janvier 2015 - 03:53 .

[abisha]

I was talking about dialogue, story telling and such. The difference in dialogue between a Dalish mage and dalish that isn't mage isn't much or close to non existant.

 

My point was if you are playing a Dalish, there isn't much difference between being a Dalish mage or a Dalish warrior concerning dialogue. Those things are dependent on race. I was responding to people that play dalish saying a mage is better than a non mage dalish. I didn't see that difference if we are talking about the Dalish experience. You get more from the Dalish story if you romance solas so female dalish is superiour to male dalish in that regard. And in the story in general resonates better with a Dalish inquisitor.

 

What you are mentioning is gameplay combat bonus which happens if you are a mage, being dalish inquistor makes no difference to the things you mention. I don't see much difference in combat between a Qunari knight enchanter or Dalish Knight enchanter if they are specced right. A Qunari mage will still get tranquility just like any Dalish mage would and be able to only do it during two judgements.

 

You mention getting more specials concerning if you are playing as a mage. I've played as a dalish warrior, qunari mage and dalish rogue. So i'm curious as to what i've missed dialogue wise since you claim mage is better experience? Combat doesn't count since all classes play different and some team options are better for killing. I'm more interested in dialogue choices. For judgements i could tranquil two tranquil two people, i could give a special dialogue when i become The Inquistor in skyhold when i was a mage. Being a mage didn't make me better when i drank the well, it was the same with stuff with my non mage. They were still whispers, i didn't hear them louder. Flemeth didn't react differently to me if i was a mage or not. However she have more dialogue if i had chantry history perk and if i'm dalish i could ask why she didn't answer my prayers. If i'm a Champion i get a special class dialogue option with the Grand Duke at the ball which is unavailable to any mage. If i had arcane research perk, i am able to recruit alexius as an inquisition agent, and discover the Gaes placed on the well. However this isn't class dependant. Mage or non mage says the same things. I don't remember having different war table missions other than the class spec one. They were dependent on other choices which isn't dependant on class.

 

kind of curious you not rolled a Dwarf Rogue other then a dalish rogue and warrior.

 

as for story wel it's the same of all races + class's, it's the little things. got a few remarks about being dwarf at haven after skyhold it's general the same deal.

it's kind of wasted time spending 100 hours for the little things, unless you have jail time or something.

 

but about what i claim that's exactly the reason i say game is basically optimized for Dalish Mage, you basically get exposed to maximum lore+specials the game have to offer.

 

in that regard DA original was lot more special when it come to race+story line.

[ManOfSteel]

kind of curious you not rolled a Dwarf Rogue other then a dalish rogue and warrior.

 

as for story wel it's the same of all races + class's, it's the little things. got a few remarks about being dwarf at haven after skyhold it's general the same deal.

it's kind of wasted time spending 100 hours for the little things, unless you have jail time or something.

 

but about what i claim that's exactly the reason i say game is basically optimized for Dalish Mage, you basically get exposed to maximum lore+specials the game have to offer.

 

in that regard DA original was lot more special when it come to race+story line.

Firstly: Not everyone wants to play as a Mage. I certainly don't, and others are the same. Similarly, some people can't imagine play as anything else. The game presents the option. Stop pretending one way is more valid than the other.

 

Secondly: Multiple playthroughs. Playing as a different class and race in a second playthrough presents new, different dialogue and options. Again, one playthough is no more valid than the other, unless the person participating in those playthroughs says so.

 

Thirdly: Opinion. 

[Baboontje]

I have difficulties playing as anything other than a mage. To me it seems unlikely for a warrior or rogue to be able to deal with the anchor. I felt the same during DAII, it seemed more relevant to the story for Hawke to be a mage. But this is all just personal preference. I had no issues playing a warrior during DAO but perhaps that can be attributed to the fact that they could dual wield. Plus, I very much liked the Spirit Warrior spec in Awakening.
Might still try an archer some day, they seem interesting enough.

[Vader20]

Elf mage, especially female elf mage overshadows every race and class in this game....Bioware did a fantastic job with the elven race. I have serious trouble playing other races and classes.

[BubbleDncr]

I played as a female elf mage my first playthrough, and super glad I did. 

 

That said, I love my human rogue and my dwarf rogue as well, they're both awesome in their own respects - but you can't duplicate the feeling of a unspoiled, female elf romancing Solas playthrough after you know the entire plot. Whereas knowing the entire plot of the game didn't have that much effect on my human and dwarf, other than the fact that I knew my human was wrong when she claimed to be saved by Andraste herself and blah blah blah. But even that reveal isn't as big, too me, as all the reveals about the elves. 

 

All that said, it really depends on how into DA lore you are. Someone whose never played any DA game before and doesn't read the codexes may not care about the female elf playthrough at all. 

[Juliana]

Spoilers ahoy!

I've just fully completed one playthrough (save the handful of collection/requisition completion bugs that plague the game currently) as a Dalish Archer and wanted to recommend it here. What follows is a lengthy rundown of my personal experiences and reasons for recommending this class/race/weapon combo.

Personally, I find the Dalish Scout Armor that you get from the merchant stand in Hissing Wastes to be very attractive on a female Dalish. Its stats took me through (Nightmare) endgame and the ten dragons with ease. Tenasarin, which is also both highly attractive and one of the most powerful bows in the game, is also an elven bow and looks beautiful with the Dalish Scout Armor. It's basically a skin-tight chain mail bodysuit that glints very differently under various lighting conditions and is intricately decorated with carved pelts, leather and fur. It also has an adorable cowl-like scarf. Yes, it's the default Dalish NPC gear--but it just looks so good without the gaudy green and red colors!

Archer was so much fun for me--moreso than any other class I've experienced over both Origins, Dragon Age II, and now, Inquisition. I specced/geared into crit damage and crit chance combined with the Assassin and Sabotage's tree's crit-on-demand (coming out of Stealth and on disabled target) skills and had so much fun evading, knocking down, critting and basically being able to actively dodge and evade to solo endgame mobs with great fun and ease. If you're a gamer who loves active dodging (think Guild Wars 2 and the Demon's/Dark Souls games) you will adore Archer. In fact, I had a lot of trouble switching to my Mage after getting into the game as an Archer because it feels very static in comparison, though more strategic in tactical view. I never cared for the other rogues as party members so it was nice to play as the 'party rogue' for unlocks and bring my mages and warrior members with me on story missions and mini dungeons.

From a story and questing perspective, I found Dalish Archer deeply satisfying and well-fitting in the world. It makes sense for a hunter/scout to be the clan's spy to the conclave--granted, a Keeper's First seems an equally good choice the bear the responsibility as a test. She looked so natural bounding and running through the hills and fields of Thedas and this made the simplest questing a visually immersive experience. I could perfectly imagine her having spent most of her life helping her clan by scouting through human lands, setting up camps, and hunting dangerous game just like she was doing during the quests. Being a Rogue--as opposed to a Mage or Warrior--also lent me quite a bit of plausible neutrality when it came to the Elven and Mage v. Templar issues (on top of the initial naivety of human political affairs that comes with being a Dalish on its own). I felt she had so many directions to grow and each one was convincing and valid.

I romanced Cullen, Solas and Sera via separate save trees and settled on Solas as the best option--but only after a lot of heartache. The nice thing about being a Dalish Rogue rather than a Mage is that she never seemed dim-witted in her questions about the Fade or the Arcane to Solas or Morrigan. With the nature of the Dalish hierarchy, a hunter, no matter how respected in her clan, would likely not be privy to any magic knowledge. I feel like the Keepers hold that information very tightly. Additionally, there is an element of tragic irony in the Inquisitor's tale... especially if you romance Solas, as you all know. I felt a hunter--who was mostly concerned with the defense and care of her clan and lived a mundane life--would be more trusting of Solas and more likely to take him on his word than a privileged, ambitious and intelligent Keeper's First. This is simply the role playing angle I took, though. Of course you could play a Dalish Mage with any sort of head canon you please. The fact that my hunter lived her life so close to nature and to humans (as a scout) made her interest in helping random refugees and villagers far more plausible to me than a Mage's interest would. Her humble position in the clan--close to the weakest of the clan--also made sense in the versions where I romanced Sera and Cullen. She had a protective nature and martial spirit that made her understand Cullen and a passion for protecting the most vulnerable of her clan that let her empathize with Sera (not to mention respect for a woman who also knows her way around a bow).

All in all, just wanted to recommend Dalish Archer for those of you considering another playthrough. My next playthrough will actually be a Dwarf Warrior. That Legion of the Dead armor looks sexy, and I want to flirt with Harding as a Dwarf!