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#26
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Obviously the romance-grade elves are the ones that get the significantly different body types and faces, save for poor old elfy Inky, who had to pull from the same resources as the NPC stick figure elves.

 

DA2 elves look way better.

 

Proportionally they were less jarring, but they had some freaky ass faces, man. The grey cat people in Merrill's clan were pretty off-putting.



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Wow is it? How do you know, you couldn't make an elf in DA2... but yeah it seems to be just about the same size now that you mention it... not that we agree this is a good thing. :/

This is quite possible. I found them alarmingly thin there, too. I just got sidetracked from it by their noses. Y'know, part of the problem with the elf designs is that humans have an atavistic and subconscious horror of things that are like us but not quite I think it comes from a prehistoric racial fear of deformity. They'd have an easier time designing something that was far less human than the near human elves. If the myth was that humans found them butt ugly, that would be easier too.



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To the left is my MALE Elf Inquisitor...and to the right is Solas, also a male elf. Did the male elf get shaped into a female body so they could save money on resources and share the female elf armors?

Solas' outfit has lot of padding (you can see it tracing from the wrists up) while the inquisitor's outfit is pretty much skin-tight. Underneath they both have the same physique, which is pretty much exact copy of DA2 elf proportions, for both genders.

In addition, there's what appears to be a bug with skinning of the upper shoulders of male elf with some outfits and/or optional sleeves you can put on the outfits, which makes that area wrongly shaped and looking more narrow than it otherwise would. It doesn't help.

There's, incidentally, a large thread concerning this issue already: http://forum.bioware...d-its-problems/

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Well, that explains why elves are so fond of archery and magic... because in close combat, a simple punch from an average human would probably shatter their ribcages. Jeez, a certain Lt. Moreau looks tougher than those stick men.


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Proportionally they were less jarring, but they had some freaky ass faces, man. The grey cat people in Merrill's clan were pretty off-putting.

 

Bioware can't seem to properly design elves if their lives depended on it.

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I'd take a Dunmer over a DA elf anytime.

 

You don't need to femininized male elves to make them less human. If you can't think of a proper design... don't put elves into your game in the first place. Bioware should feel embarrassed for doing this to their loyal elf fans here... giving them skinny arms.... adding boobs to male elves... providing broken to fractured arms for elfs... geeze!


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We both know whose going to be wearing the pants in this relationship :D

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He already knows...

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Bioware can't seem to properly design elves if their lives depended on it.
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I'd take a Dunmer over a DA elf anytime.
 
You don't need to femininized male elves to make them less human. If you can't think of a proper design... don't put elves into your game in the first place.

Is that picture supposed to be a "proper" 'less human' design? Because even Star Trek has evolved beyond just putting some random ridges on a dude's forehead...
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Is that picture supposed to be a "proper" 'less human' design? Because even Star Trek has evolved beyond just putting some random ridges on a dude's forehead...

It is a bad example, but actually the Dunmer have a really distinct look in their faces. I have played male Dark Elf sneak type for the last three Elder Scrolls game and I like their design.

 

But again, this is a bad example, also because they just get somewhat shorter human bodies.

 

OT:

 

When I saw a review a male elf was used and the first thought I had was "Well, that's one option I'm not considering anymore." When I saw the horrible plastic/pencilled beards I knew I couldn't be a male dwarf either. So I rolled a female elf. And OP's male elf body looks a lot like the female elf body, which I thought was too skinny for her head as well. It didn't show as much in the armor, but all Skyhold scenes are in PJ's, so there's that.

 

I know that EAware will cut corners to please their real customers (the share holders) and release the game in this financial year, but I'm always baffled at which corners they decide to cut.



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Bioware can't seem to properly design elves if their lives depended on it.

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I'd take a Dunmer over a DA elf anytime.

 

You don't need to femininized male elves to make them less human. If you can't think of a proper design... don't put elves into your game in the first place. Bioware should feel embarrassed for doing this to their loyal elf fans here... giving them skinny arms.... adding boobs to male elves... providing broken to fractured arms for elfs... geeze!

 

Why cant we have beautiful LoTR elves!!! What is wrong with all these game developers!!! 

 

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:angry:  :angry:


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Is that picture supposed to be a "proper" 'less human' design? Because even Star Trek has evolved beyond just putting some random ridges on a dude's forehead...

In what law of the lore does it say that an elf isn't suppose to have less of a human appearance? Even W.O.W has far better elf design then Dragon age, and the games graphics aren't all that great in comparisons. You start entering the world of the unknown, and you're bond to get into trouble. Do what you must, but do not mess with their body structure too much... especially when the game it self is masculine. Not everyone wants to play as a skinny nerd elf who is bond to get defeated by a nug.

 

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Not to mention that male elf models are simply broken and glued. It is a botched work. Do you guys remember how they have promised to deliver good looking elves. How they have bragged with this picture:

 

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the thing is you can't re-create this face in character creator.

 

For those interested more in the broken-glued arms [you are entering these pages at your own risk, you may never be able to play a male elf again after you see it]:

 

  1. http://answers.ea.co...104509#U4104509
  2. http://forum.bioware...d-its-problems/


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Because LOTR Elves are humans in costumes and makeup. The DA team did not want that effect. Yes all of the playable races are humanoid, but not human, except the humans. They resemble us enough to not freak us out entirely but, they don't and should not have exact human physique.

 

That said, The DA team can learn something form another EA game. Devs, just have a look at The Sims 4, create a sim male as slender as possible and, with the muscle slider at minimum. Now, basically it's very close to male elves. Good, but raise the muscle slider to about 60 to 70%. PERFECTION, now patch our elves over here. :)


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In what law of the lore does it say that an elf isn't suppose to have less of a human appearance?

I have trouble parsing that. Did you mean to say that there's no law against elves looking non human, i.e. that it's fine for an alf to look different from a human? If so, then absolutely. I just noted that the image you'd posted hardly looked different from a human, so if that's what the "proper non-human elf design" is to you we're just going to disagree on that. To me, that's lazy and unimaginative approach that got old literally decades age.

Not everyone wants to play as a skinny nerd elf who is bond to get defeated by a nug.

Your character's physique has no impact on their combat prowess in this game, so that's just ingoring the reality in favour of what looks like fears of not meeting exaggerated masculine stereotypes. It'd be funny, if it wasn't so sad.

(incidentally so is the whining about 'boobs on the male elf' because you know, these exaggerated masculine characters are routinely given pecs bigger than that)

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Bosmer elves from the Elder Scrolls games have been my favorite in game elves so far, and their background is so interesting. Their look in Skyrim blew me away, especially after Oblivion. I like in Skyrim elves had a variety of looks, not just lanky. 



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That said, The DA team can learn something form another EA game. Devs, just have a look at The Sims 4, create a sim male as slender as possible and, with the muscle slider at minimum. Now, basically it's very close to male elves. Good, but raise the muscle slider to about 60 to 70%. PERFECTION, now patch our elves over here. :)

That will simply give you a normally proportioned (and sized) human.

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Bosmer elves from the Elder Scrolls games have been my favorite in game elves so far, and their background is so interesting. Their look in Skyrim blew me away, especially after Oblivion. I like in Skyrim elves had a variety of looks, not just lanky. 

Altmer are your answer. Lesser Mer are of no consequence!

 

I miss the face design from Dragon Age II, they looked alien. The further from human appearance the better taste I receive



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Is that picture supposed to be a "proper" 'less human' design? Because even Star Trek has evolved beyond just putting some random ridges on a dude's forehead...

Looks a hell of a lot better than the starvation look that bioware loves so much.



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I don't know, faces are better probably because you can actually adjust them, but these bodies are just :wacko:

 

Fenris looked better indeed and I once thought that he was too skinny!

All these pictures of poor elf are making my eyes hurt :(

I meant their faces, sorry. I hated the way they made the faces of DA2 elves look. But they were pretty scrawny in DA2 as well. Maybe not as scrawny, but still... I think the female elves look fine, TBH. Just the male elves look disproportioned.



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Looks a hell of a lot better than the starvation look that bioware loves so much.

It looks exactly like a human, body-wise. Whether that's better is up to individual preferences, but there's more than enough of these threads when DA2 launched to show the opinions on this are pretty divided.

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Bosmer elves from the Elder Scrolls games have been my favorite in game elves so far, and their background is so interesting. Their look in Skyrim blew me away, especially after Oblivion. I like in Skyrim elves had a variety of looks, not just lanky. 

 

....it did? Bethesda basically just releases place holder character assets and waits for modders to make the models look decent. The vanilla character assets are always unspeakable flesh monsters + a cat. Then there's Bethesda Hair™. Dear lord.



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I have trouble parsing that. Did you mean to say that there's no law against elves looking non human, i.e. that it's fine for an alf to look different from a human? If so, then absolutely. I just noted that the image you'd posted hardly looked different from a human, so if that's what the "proper non-human elf design" is to you we're just going to disagree on that. To me, that's lazy and unimaginative approach that got old literally decades age.

Your character's physique has no impact on their combat prowess in this game, so that's just ingoring the reality in favour of what looks like fears of not meeting exaggerated masculine stereotypes. It'd be funny, if it wasn't so sad.

(incidentally so is the whining about 'boobs on the male elf' because you know, these exaggerated masculine characters are routinely given pecs bigger than that)

 

What I meant was who cares if the elves have a body of a human? So what. Who cares what Bioware staffs thinks what elves should and shouldn't look like. It's the people that will be spending a lot of hours with, and if they look as crappy as what is being reported indicates that they failed at designing their elves.

 

You're right. Our character's physique does not impact on their combat prowess in the game, but it is illogical to have a skinny small armed warrior elf to carry around such large weapons like the great sword.

 

Bioware simply did not learn from their mistakes when they gave Fenris such large sword to carry around.

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This is irreverent because in a RP POV Fenris would of committed combat suicide a long time ago as he would of never had a successful battle wielding this heavy and powerful weapon due to lack of upper body strength.



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You're wrong OP, male non-Solas elves don't have the shoulders of a woman, they have the shoulders of a 3 year old and broken arms to go with them.


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I made a male elf and the body, while grotesque, couldn't take attention away from how over large thier heads are in proportion to their body. I have no idea how their scrawny chicken neck can hold up the huge gourd that is their heads.

 

Dwarfs also seem a little out of proprtion with their legs being too short/thin for their torsoes but  I dont really notice it unless looking at them from the front while in their Skyhold PJs.


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I don't know who the artist for DA2 or DAI is but can they stop making elves look like skinny teenage girls? Solas and Fenris don't suffer from this so I don't know why the male elf PC should.



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It's pretty ridiculous, but the female elves have it even worse with regards to essentially non-existent shoulders. The armour mostly covers it up, at least, but I have had to try to look away from anything below my elf's head in Skyhold...

Both male and female elves could use much less scrawny builds. It's even more annoying because neither Solas nor Sera are suffering from the same problem as the elven PC.

On the whole, though, they do at least look much better than they did in DA II, so I'm grateful for that. The heads are fine. The bodies are still weirdly gangly and emaciated.
 

Well, that explains why elves are so fond of archery and magic... because in close combat, a simple punch from an average human would probably shatter their ribcages. Jeez, a certain Lt. Moreau looks tougher than those stick men.


Magic, sure. Those shoulders, backs, and arms would actually hamper proper use of a bow much more than they would most melee weapons.
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