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[BelnickISMYNICKNAME]

I tried both, but not sure which one is the better, the axe seem to swing faster and does about 30ish lower dmg than mhemet.

28 str might not be that much then?

which would you use ?

[Nitestick7]

The 28 strength should give you 14% more damage, which would make me lean towards that more.  Take the hammer on a Reaver no question, on a Katari, it's more personal preference but I would still go with the hammer for him as well.  AOE could be nice though.

[FLASH--JOHNSON]

28 str is 14% attack which is not the same as 14% more damage

[Torkelight]

Experience tells me that the hammer is single target, and the axe is AOE. On a 2H-weapon I would go AOE every time. Of course, if the gap between weapon quality is huge I would go for the best, but if it is not certain, go for AOE I guess.

[BraveLToaster]

Reaver ignores the slower attack speed and lack of AoE by using Dragon Rage.

 

Critical chance is noteworthy though, since it'll lower cooldowns.

[BelnickISMYNICKNAME]

lol these answer did not make me wiser, some like hammer some like the axe, hmm

maybe I should try playing them more, shifting after each game to feel which I like the best

[Nitestick7]

28 str is 14% attack which is not the same as 14% more damage

Yes it is.  From the GhoXen's Attributes Stats and Mechanics thread.  

[WeaponDmg * (1 + CritDmg%) * (1 + FlankDmg%) * (1 + BarrierDmg%) * (1 + GuardDmg%) - Armor *(1 - ArmorPen%)] * (1 + Attk%) *AbilityMultiplier%

[BDTAKER]

i have both, the hammer does considerably more damage.

[FLASH--JOHNSON]

Yes it is.  From the GhoXen's Attributes Stats and Mechanics thread.  

[WeaponDmg * (1 + CritDmg%) * (1 + FlankDmg%) * (1 + BarrierDmg%) * (1 + GuardDmg%) - Armor *(1 - ArmorPen%)] * (1 + Attk%) *AbilityMultiplier%

so your argument is saying that %attack is the same as %damage and only posted how %attack works

[BraveLToaster]

He posted the damage formula.

[BelnickISMYNICKNAME]

i have both, the hammer does considerably more damage.

yes, hammer have higher alpha, but axe hit faster.......

[Stinja]

From the GhoXen's Attributes Stats and Mechanics thread.  

[WeaponDmg * (1 + CritDmg%) * (1 + FlankDmg%) * (1 + BarrierDmg%) * (1 + GuardDmg%) - Armor *(1 - ArmorPen%)] * (1 + Attk%) *AbilityMultiplier%

 

Disclaimer:  my maths skills are weak...  Pure damage, not DPS, so 2-handers would be ranked like this with adjustments for bonuses?

This is assuming Bleed on hit is bugged, and does no damage.  

 

Sulevine = 329 (+11% armour pen)

Starfang = 301 (+11% armour pen)

Sundering = 287 (+ X dam from haft + pommel)

Mhemet’s War hammer = 282 (+7% guard dam)

Longbar Blade = 247 (+ X dam from grip + pommel)

Axe of the Dragon Hunter = 238 / 249 / 261 / 272 / 283 / etc  (+11.35/enemy , +28% crit chance)

Slayer = 239 (+7% crit chance)

 

What's the max damage you can get from grip/haft and pommel upgrades - 12% attack?  As that might push Sundering past Starfang.

[stysiaq]

No way Longbar Blade is better than the Slayer ;P

[Stinja]

No way Longbar Blade is better than the Slayer ;P

 

Is that now how it works then?

 

213AoE x 1.16 attack = 247 

 

Both have runes, and then Longbar has grip and pommel upgrades on top.

[KennethAFTopp]

I hate the look of the Mhemet warhammer.

[Trickshaw]

This problem is easily solved:

Which one gives you a boner when you're smashing your enemies into sticky bits?

[BDTAKER]

yes, hammer have higher alpha, but axe hit faster.......

 

 

so all you gotta do is clip the first animation for the first basic attack and not all of them since 2,3,4 are all very slow.

[BelnickISMYNICKNAME]

so all you gotta do is clip the first animation for the first basic attack and not all of them since 2,3,4 are all very slow.

hmm, yea that is how I work caliban, 3-4 strike per seconds, will try with mhmemet later

[Saboteur-6]

I've just been assuming crit chance is the way to go so I've been using Slayer on my Katari (my best AoE) but use Sundering on Reaver (my best single target).

[Eldial3los]

if you want to go critical build and group smashing id go with the AXE of the dragon hunter. It works wonder for Reaver Dragon rage skill and group smashing since it critical and boost the dps directly