Also, remember the story about Andruil and the Void?
The way it is described reminds me of the taint and the blight - driving gods mad, plaguing the lands, the true darkness meant to be forgotten. What if it is the taint? Somehow it filled the Golden City=Arlathan and then the magisters
Also, remember the story about Andruil and the Void?
The way it is described reminds me of the taint and the blight - driving gods mad, plaguing the lands, the true darkness meant to be forgotten. What if it is the taint? Somehow it filled the Golden City=Arlathan and then the magisters
Makes sense. The taint is a magical weapon that went out of control that uses geas to control it's minions. It was sealed up as the only way to stop it. this means the magisters really was tricked by old forgotten elven gods.
....Oh god...i just realized something.
i have a theory that the idol in da2 is a sealed old god. My hawke had it destroyed. i may of killed an old elven god.
That story makes me wonder about Andruil. When solas first said she was goddess of sacrifice, I wrote her off as a space murdering baddie. But perhaps she is goddess of sacrifice because she died fighting the forgotten ones in the void.
Maybe she did both who knows.
Pfah
Bloody sacrifices are a thing in many, many religions. Even peaceful Gods like a bit of bloody sacrifice from time to time. Nothing "baddie" about it
Anyway, now i wonder what is the Void and how did it appear
Anyway, now i wonder what is the Void and how did it appear
I explain it in a clear way. Everyone knows what the sky is but we have different ways of calling it. The same can be said about the blight.
Also, remember the story about Andruil and the Void?
The way it is described reminds me of the taint and the blight - driving gods mad, plaguing the lands, the true darkness meant to be forgotten. What if it is the taint? Somehow it filled the Golden City=Arlathan and then the magisters
My own personal belief is exactly that. I believe that the Taint stems from that area of The Void, and in moving Arlathan to it Fen'Harel would have (probably unintentionally) forced the Elven Gods to be twisted into new and darker forms.
Yes, we are told that the Blight began with the Magisters, and that it was The Maker who cast them from the City transformed into Darkspawn. As a punishment.
But what if, actually, the tainted Elven Gods called out to the Magisters in an attempt to be broken out of their prison. And merely coming into contact with them resulted in the same Taint (which was native to The Void) infecting the Magisters as they arrived.
I explain it in a clear way. Everyone knows what the sky is but we have different ways of calling it. The same can be said about the blight.
Err, the question still is...
While the original Chantry's version is that the taint is magisters' sins physical manifestation what Corypheus said proves that the Blight already existed before they reached the Black City
In this case - what is blight then and how it got there? The Blight/The Void. It's too destructive to everything to be a natural thing - or maybe it is natural but comes like from deepest parts of the world like space and seabottom
My own personal belief is exactly that. I believe that the Taint stems from that area of The Void, and in moving Arlathan to it Fen'Harel would have (probably unintentionally) forced the Elven Gods to be twisted into new and darker forms.
Yes, we are told that the Blight began with the Magisters, and that it was The Maker who cast them from the City transformed into Darkspawn. As a punishment.
But what if, actually, the tainted Elven Gods called out to the Magisters in an attempt to be broken out of their prison. And merely coming into contact with them resulted in the same Taint (which was native to The Void) infecting the Magisters as they arrived.
It means that somehow someone used the Void as a weapon during the Elven Gods civil war and somehow it corrupted the Arlathan/Golden City
Hmm, I wonder who? Maybe one of the Elven Gods in order to save the control over their people. Or maybe one of the Forgotten ones because... evil, and stuff
Err, the question still is...
While the original Chantry's version is that the taint is magisters' sins physical manifestation what Corypheus said proves that the Blight already existed before they reached the Black City
In this case - what is blight then and how it got there? The Blight/The Void. It's too destructive to everything to be a natural thing - or maybe it is natural but comes like from deepest parts of the world like space and seabottom
Before I carry on, what did Corypheus say that proves the Blight existed before they reached the Golden City?
Before I carry on, what did Corypheus say that proves the Blight existed before they reached the Golden City?
He says that the City was already black, tainted, corrupted when they got there
I take it the blackness, the taint, the corruption is the Blight
The maker won't be of any race or gender in the end
Why it is possible Arlathan is the golden city, think it is more reflection....or hear me out.
The black city or golden city, or enternal city or whatever it is called is not defined by one set of views, rather its the the center of relegious and godly views in the world and beings onced lived there not just elves, but the old gods has well. Given the gods the humans who the imperium where dragons, its possible after the dread wolf tricked all the other godly beings out of the city it was left empty and he laid a trap for the dragons when they tried to return through their servants...but something went wrong with this trap then even he thought put him to rest and started the blights....an unseen hand messed up all of the gods plans....and thus in the end the golden city became black and reflected the most popular relegious view in the world after sometime.
That sounds odd and doesn't explain my two bits fully, but just woke up and don't want to write to much yet.
He says that the City was already black, tainted, corrupted when they got there
I take it the blackness, the taint, the corruption is the Blight
Cool, just checking we are talking about the same thing. Corypheus, the human, cannot comprehend the will of a being The Maker is meant to represent. What he saw as already black and tainted could have turned black and tainted in a manner that he could not understand/witness.
Also, he could be lying or at least telling himself lies to explain how what he was promised by the Old Gods went so wrong. Why would he want to go back if there was just corruption there? Who threw the Magisters out?
He says that the City was already black, tainted, corrupted when they got there
I take it the blackness, the taint, the corruption is the Blight
True but he also stated that he had walked the golden halls which ran counter his earlier claim that the city was already black and of course its possible that he is remembering what he wants to make him look better or that his memory is damaged from being confused over a thousand years.
Cool, just checking we are talking about the same thing. Corypheus, the human, cannot comprehend the will of a being The Maker is meant to represent. What he saw as already black and tainted could have turned black and tainted in a manner that he could not understand/witness.
Also, he could be lying or at least telling himself lies to explain how what he was promised by the Old Gods went so wrong. Why would he want to go back if there was just corruption there? Who threw the Magisters out?
I doubt he lied but it is possible he just couldn't grasp the whole process of the City becoming corrupted
Still, it makes so much sense - this new theory - so I'm sticking to it +_+
I would like to see the face of Cory when he discovers his much much beloved Golden City turns out to be an elven domain.
Cory doesn't believe in the maker, he never did. He originally entered the black city before Andraste was born so no, he never considered it the seat of the Maker. Cory would consider the "Elven Gods" as false, just powerful mages that kept their own people as slaves. He sees the Dalish as being fools for keeping their slave markings proudly on their face.
As Cory says, there was no Golden City. It was black when he got there and that darkness apparently corrupted his group, creating the first darkspawn. The real question is who actually told Cory to enter the "golden city"? Was it really Dumat or someone else?
Cory doesn't believe in the maker, he never did. He originally entered the black city before Andraste was born so no, he never considered it the seat of the Maker. Cory would consider the "Elven Gods" as false, just powerful mages that kept their own people as slaves. He sees the Dalish as being fools for keeping their slave markings proudly on their face.
As Cory says, there was no Golden City. It was black when he got there and that darkness apparently corrupted his group, creating the first darkspawn. The real question is who actually told Cory to enter the "golden city"? Was it really Dumat or someone else?
Yes, Dumat did. Dumat was trapped by The Maker, dreaming and communicated via the fade and talked Cory and his best buds to try and steal the power held in the Golden City, presumably in order to free Dumat and the other Old Gods (The Maker's power trapped them there, the Maker's power can release them).
He never says there was no Golden City, he just says it was already Black but what about all the time he dreamed in the fade before going there, did he look up and see a Black City and wonder why these Old Gods called it Golden or did he see a Golden City that he tried to enter and it turned black the instant he did?
Cory doesn't believe in the maker, he never did. He originally entered the black city before Andraste was born so no, he never considered it the seat of the Maker. Cory would consider the "Elven Gods" as false, just powerful mages that kept their own people as slaves. He sees the Dalish as being fools for keeping their slave markings proudly on their face.
As Cory says, there was no Golden City. It was black when he got there and that darkness apparently corrupted his group, creating the first darkspawn. The real question is who actually told Cory to enter the "golden city"? Was it really Dumat or someone else?
The belief in the Maker appeared long before Andraste was born. Like, geez. Guys, don't you read the lore?
Yes, Dumat did. Dumat was trapped by The Maker, dreaming and communicated via the fade and talked Cory and his best buds to try and steal the power held in the Golden City, presumably in order to free Dumat and the other Old Gods (The Maker's power trapped them there, the Maker's power can release them).
He never says there was no Golden City, he just says it was already Black but what about all the time he dreamed in the fade before going there, did he look up and see a Black City and wonder why these Old Gods called it Golden or did he see a Golden City that he tried to enter and it turned black the instant he did?
Dumat was trapped by Solas... 
Listen to Eleni Zinovia.
Notice she says they about the maker.
She says "I will endure 'til The Maker returns to light their fires again."
Whatever/Whomever "their fires" refers to, isn't saying that The Maker is more than a singular being.
Dumat was trapped by Solas...
No, The Maker. Different people, I'm afraid.
No, The Maker. Different people, I'm afraid.
Dude, play the last bit of daI.
it was made clear the old gods are fallen elven gods. they and the other gods were trapped byt he dread wolf. the dread wolf is Solas. So that means Dumat was trapped by Solas.
Its possible what we do know is that the old gods were imprisoned at the time they contacted the First Magister, the dreamer Talsian who became the first known person to use blood magic being taught it by Dumat and established the worship of the old gods.
We also know that the ancient Tevinter people belived also in the maker though they had a different name for him and belived he created the world so apparently Andraste didn't just make him up.
But solas said that there was no link between the old gods and the elves
When?
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