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Ok, i'm sure I can't be the only one who thinks this. As a villain, Corypheus was terrible for many reasons. First and foremost was that it's quite difficult to feel threaten by a villain you have already beat. When Hawke beat him in the DA2 dlc, I was certain he would be back to cause havoc, which I was excited for. But a main villain? No, he was a DLC villain and nothing more. Bioware tried to make him scary by going "But he's the first Darkspawn! Isn't that scary?" well yes Bioware, maybe that would be scary in a Blight. You said it yourself in Origins. Unless your a Dwarf or a warden, no one gives two shits about the darkspawn until they are clawing at your neck.

 

So it got me thinking. Who else could be The Elder One instead of Corypheus? Some one frightening with unlimited power that was new and yet easy to learn about.

 

And then it hit me.

 

What if the Elder One was none other then the Maker Himself?

 

And at the risk of bad fan fiction, here was my idea.

 

The Maker is not a nice man. Abandoning his first children, untold billions of spirits, to wander the Fade without purpose for all eternity shows that he would rather throw everything out and start again rather then help his creations. So what of the races for Thedas? Well he doesn't seem to bat and eye when an entire country is eaten by Darkspawn, or when elves are constantly attacked and treated like **** for the sole crime of existing. Perhaps the chantry was right in that the Maker, in one of his more childish moments, has completely turned away from humanity. Maybe he wants the Darkspawn to wipe everyone out as a punishment. Or maybe he is just another creature of the fade and thus, just doesn't understand mortals.

 

So what happened to suddenly make him decide "you know what, **** all mortals, I'm going to draw everything into the fade". Well maybe it was the main event in Thedas until the breach.

 

The Mage-Templar war.

 

Ok, maybe it turns out that the Maker isn't completely heartless. Maybe he has chosen some mortals to be more then their fellow man. What if the Mages are his chosen children? Think about it, Mages have the ability to manipulative both the real world and the Fade in equal measure. He gave them this power to lead mortals to a new age. But, forever paranoid, the mortals looked at their leader with fear and mistrust, and began trapping them in towers so they cannot interfere with mortal affairs. The Maker was angered by this, and thus chose to continue ignoring the plight of mortals. They were going to have to survive on their own.

 

But then it happened. The paranoia of the tempars overwhelmed sense, and they turned on the Mages, massacring them in the thousands, once again, for the crime of being alive. 

 

This is what set the Maker off.

 

If humanity would really do this, really kill of their only hope of salvation, then they deserved to die, to be obliterated, to be punished.

 

But their was a problem. He couldn't just destroy the earth by flicking it unto a star because, even though he created it, because the earth is made of something he cannot interact with.

 

Reality

 

Pardon the cheesiness of that sentence, but here me out. The Maker, like the spirits, is a creature of the fade, which shifts and turns in response to the one living in it. This is all they know, all they have known.

 

But the earth is static. It does not change because the person living their is feeling down. And thus the maker cannot destroy it because he wishes to. If he wants to destroy the earth, he is going to have to go down their and do it himself.

 

That's where the breach comes in. The make wants to destroy the Veil, to mix both the Fade and Reality together into one place where he can pass judgement uninterrupted, or start again. So after killing off those who are most loyal to him in the conclave explosion and causing the first breach, he begins his plan to draw everything into one tidy package that he owns.

 

But what about you, the Protagonist? How do you get out of all this? How do you get the mark that will save everyone? Well maybe the Maker had someone conspiring against him, someone he trusted, but they would rather save the mortals then let the Maker destroy them.

 

Who else, then Andraste herself? (Fun fact, my auto correct changed Andraste to Cassandra. As awesome as that would be to watch Cassandra sucker punch the Maker, that really is fan fiction)

 

It was Andraste that reached out to you in the conclave, who saved your life to save others. She knew she would be punished but didn't care, how could she stay back while millions died? No good person can.

 

So she saves you, damns herself, and starts off all of Inquisition and you fight to stop a literal mad god.

 

Better then dumb old Corypheus, am I right?



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Nightmare should have been The Elder One.


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I loved Cory.

But that's probably cause I never played DA2.

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What if the Elder One was none other then the Maker Himself?

 

Then you'd violate one of the oldest and best rules of DA's lore, that the Maker is never proved or disproved. You'd also be tearing apart the whole of Andrastian society in Thedas for the sake of creating a single game's villain. 


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What's wrong with the villain in DAI?_?

 

I thought Solas was a pretty pimp villain, personally!  :D


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So...the line about "where is your maker now?" wouldn't work so well.

More seriously, I don't like the idea. You'd be dismantling the entire Andrastian faith. It would be far too extreme in my eyes and would miss the point of what the writers were trying to do. They don't want to reveal whether the Maker is real or not.

Corypheus works as a villain, I just don't think he was executed super well. The terrifying part about him is his immortality.
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Nightmare should have been The Elder One.

 

This... would actually have been really interesting.

 

Though Corypheus actually is interesting, especially with the Faith aspect of DAI's storyline. Just, yes, not executed as well as he could have been.


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The Maker is too... big. It should have been Flemeth in some way with Corypheus as a side villain. But what did they do? Made Corypheus the main villain and Flemeth got dropped into the shredder. Why that happened I will never understand.

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It doesn't work for me at all, primarily because the Maker just doesn't give a damn. That, and the fact that as far as I know, Andraste is still by His side, trying to convince him to return to His mortal creations. This just doesn't seem like a guy/being/god who has any interest at all if mortals and their little wars - not even if mages are hypothetically being slaughtered. Also, Cole had a comment about the Maker during some Solas banter and said that the Maker was far away pretty much.

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Nightmare should have been The Elder One.

 

I doubt we're done with the Nightmare. We've never actually killed him, have we? 

 

Spoiler


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I doubt we're done with the Nightmare. We've never actually killed him, have we?

You can't really kill a demon anyway and we were in the fade where spirits are in control. So no we didn't and probably can't.


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So...the line about "where is your maker now?" wouldn't work so well.

More seriously, I don't like the idea. You'd be dismantling the entire Andrastian faith. It would be far too extreme in my eyes and would miss the point of what the writers were trying to do. They don't want to reveal whether the Maker is real or not.

Corypheus works as a villain, I just don't think he was executed super well. The terrifying part about him is his immortality.

 

This.  I have absolutely no interest in a setting where we can find out the gods are real.

 

Thematically, Corypheus works beautifully as a villain.  Based on everything he said in Legacy and all the little codexes and his statements, he once served and believed deeply in a particular god and then lost all faith - making him decide to become Thedas' new god because things need to make sense and be ordered, dammit.  (He reminds me a lot of Sera in that way.)

 

Most of the member of the Inquisition are going through the exact same struggle: Does the Maker/elven pantheon/old gods exist?  How much that is taught has been changed by time or for political and cultural purposes?

 

Even atheist characters must answer: How far are you willing to gather power and enforce your will in the name of order?

 

You and the Inquisition are facing the exact same questions Corypheus faced.  And for that I love him.


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This. I have absolutely no interest in a setting where we can find out the gods are real.

Thematically, Corypheus works beautifully as a villain. Based on everything he said in Legacy and all the little codexes and his statements, he once served and believed deeply in a particular god and then lost all faith - making him decide to become Thedas' new god because things need to make sense and be ordered, dammit. (He reminds me a lot of Sera in that way.)

Most of the member of the Inquisition are going through the exact same struggle: Does the Maker/elven pantheon/old gods exist? How much that is taught has been changed by time or for political and cultural purposes?

Even atheist characters must answer: How far are you willing to gather power and enforce your will in the name of order?

You and the Inquisition are facing the exact same questions Corypheus faced. And for that I love him.


Exactly, for a game dealing with faith, he is a perfect villain. He just needed a bit more screen time, because as it is we only see him -really- twice.
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You can't really kill a demon anyway and we were in the fade where spirits are in control. So no we didn't and probably can't.

 

You totally can kill demons in the Fade though. Wasn't the Warden Commander able to kill of the Baroness in Awakening?



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I honestly think they could've chose anything besides Vorephyes

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You totally can kill demons in the Fade though. Wasn't the Warden Commander able to kill of the Baroness in Awakening?

Their essence will just return to the fade and reform. They may not come back exactly the same but spirits and demons are immortal. See Solas' quest with his spirit friend. In the case of the baroness, at best we "killed" whatever remained of the woman herself. The pride demon likely just returned to the Fade to look for a new host.



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You totally can kill demons in the Fade though. Wasn't the Warden Commander able to kill of the Baroness in Awakening?

We didn't kill her till we were back in the waking world though



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I think Corypheus made an awesome villain. He IS pretty powerful...and scary. When he started jumping to bodies I was thinking "omg how are we going to kill this dude!?" I actually started to worry a little in my 1st PT that he CAN'T be killed. And plus his voice...mmmm. And Cory being the main bad guy was the biggest shock of the game for me, I was completely mind blown. I know people already suspected it was him before release but I was not one of them, so it was a nice surprise (if you want to call it that)
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I really liked Corypheus as a villain. We just didn't see enough of him. Could have used another strong appearance like Haven or two.

 

Also, if the Maker was the villain, there wouldn't be a DA4



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Exactly, for a game dealing with faith, he is a perfect villain. He just needed a bit more screen time, because as it is we only see him -really- twice.

 

Yup.  I plan to email the pertinent codexes to my husband once he hits the right part of the game.



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Their essence will just return to the fade and reform. They may not come back exactly the same but spirits and demons are immortal. See Solas' quest with his spirit friend. In the case of the baroness, at best we "killed" whatever remained of the woman herself. The pride demon likely just returned to the Fade to look for a new host.

 

Oh right. Man, I can't believe I forgot one of Solas's lines, damn :)).

 

He says revival isn't a sure thing though, so yes we can still kill fade creatures. And then, even if they do get reborn, they're different. I wonder if that means demons go back to being just spirits again?



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Their essence will just return to the fade and reform. They may not come back exactly the same but spirits and demons are immortal. See Solas' quest with his spirit friend. In the case of the baroness, at best we "killed" whatever remained of the woman herself. The pride demon likely just returned to the Fade to look for a new host.

Solas considers her dead. He says that while a strong spirit *may* eventually reform, they won't be the same. So no guarentees of coming back at all.



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I think Corypheus made an awesome villain. He IS pretty powerful...and scary. When he started jumping to bodies I was thinking "omg how are we going to kill this dude!?" I actually started to worry a little in my 1st PT that he CAN'T be killed. And plus his voice...mmmm. And Cory being the main bad guy was the biggest shock of the game for me, I was completely mind blown. I know people already suspected it was him before release but I was not one of them, so it was a nice surprise (if you want to call it that)

 

Me too. But then he had to slam into the eluvian like a child, and that's when he started looking pathetic to me.



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 Cory was unimpressive overall but the post-credits reveal with Solas -- signifying that Cory was a mere pawn in the grand scheme of things -- made up a bit for the weak villain plot, in my eyes.



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I liked Corypheus