Which is most likely the same case for the other people, it takes two
I'd at least argue (even though I don't see it this way) that if IB is using the people he sleeps with as 'sex toys', then they are using him as one too. Especially when it's implied they went to him first, like with the chantry sister.
Did I say different? All I said was he uses them like living sex toys. I never denied it could be a two way street. If it wasn't, that's called rape.
He sleeps with people he doesn't care a lick about, using them only as vessels to get his release from.
That's because sex =/= love.
He thanked her first then she thanked him back.
It was a very grateful night all around
Well, sex toys can't give consent, while people can. Perhaps this is why I don't see casual sex in that kinda way. Yes, the people are using each other, but there's a mutual desire going on at least that I hope would make each party consider the other as a person and not an object. Just because there's no romantic feelings doesn't mean there can't be some respect.
That's because sex =/= love.
And that kind of thinking is part of the problem.
Well, sex toys can't give consent, while people can. Perhaps this is why I don't see casual sex in that kinda way. Yes, the people are using each other, but there's a mutual desire going on at least that I hope would make each party consider the other as a person and not an object. Just because there's no romantic feelings doesn't mean there can't be some respect.
He is a Ben-Hassareth. Qunari do not see bas as equal to them. Doesn't sound very respectful when one person involved views the other as lesser to them.
Why does a bisexual (or pansexual, as Bull is often referred to) character need to wave it around like a flag to be legit?
The thread should have ended at this post.
And that kind of thinking is part of the problem.
Well, it's true. People have non-romantic sex all the time. It's part of life and I suggest you get used to it.
And that kind of thinking is part of the problem.
But if both persons want it, why is it a problem?
x100.
Now Bull is disrespecting people as sex toys while he has sex with him. That's why he has a psychologists break down on how he has sex with the serving girls in the best possible way to make both of them happy. Because they are sex toys, and not people.
Riiiiiight.
Did I say different? All I said was he uses them like living sex toys. I never denied it could be a two way street. If it wasn't, that's called rape.
And that kind of thinking is part of the problem.
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Now Bull is disrespecting people as sex toys while he has sex with him. That's why he has a psychologists break down on how he has sex with the serving girls in the best possible way to make both of them happy. Because they are sex toys, and not people.
Riiiiiight.
The amount of hate that Bull gets on these forums because of his sexual behavior is seriously eye-roll inducing.
But if both persons want it, why is it a problem?
actually the romance dialogues with him were pretty... manly from inquisitor:
"don't worry i will protect you"
and what about his flirtish comments with Krem?
The amount of hate that Bull gets on these forums because of his sexual behavior is seriously eye-roll inducing.
Lol I know right. Seems like everyone here is a nun and yet would have no qualms about seeing naked pics of Cullen/Lelianna. It's like Fox news has invaded the forums.
But hey, being sexually different is wrong. Amiright?
He is a Ben-Hassareth. Qunari do not see bas as equal to them. Doesn't sound very respectful when one person involved views the other as lesser to them.
Bull doesn't need to throw his sexuality around for you to feel satisfied that he is such. Do you tell everyone you're around "Yup I'm straight/gay/bi/pan. Yuppers, that's my sexuality. Oh boy am I attracted to that piece of ass"?
But he's pansexual anyway. Even if he was just bi, some bi people are attracted more to women then men (but are still attracted to men) or vice-versa. It's not always gonna be a 50-50 split, because people are complex.
Why does a bisexual (or pansexual, as Bull is often referred to) character need to wave it around like a flag to be legit?
"I'm gonna plant my bisexuality flag in there!"
(yes, there are two meanings)
Well, it's true. People have non-romantic sex all the time. It's part of life and I suggest you get used to it.
Doesn't mean I'm not allowed to express my dislike of the way the world works. Especially on the BSN where that is one of the more common topics.
But if both persons want it, why is it a problem?
Because that's not what sex should be about. Regardless of things like beliefs, sex is an act that shows that you are willing to give all of yourself to the other person since you are developing an intimate bond that is only beaten by a mother and child.
Okay, fair enough. Obv I disagree with you on what casual sex means, which is cool I am not gonna deny you your perspective, but the way you phrased it made me think you were worried for your people, not that you disapproved of it overall, I think.
I am worried for my people, but I also disapprove of it overall. I discussed my perspective in another thread, but would rather not bring it back up since I don't feel like being personally insulted again for having a different opinion on something.
Sex is an action. Actions can be done with a variety of emotions attached. It can be an expression of love, power, respect, vengeance, sympathy and more and whilst some may be more 'healthy' than others the opinion that sex should always take place in a framework of love is simply that- an opinion. It certainly doesn't make you wrong, but it shouldn't be a problem if people voluntarily have sex for reasons other than love of their partner(s) as long as both are consenting.
True, but some actions are meant to be only with a few emotions. For example saying "I'm going to be mean to you because I love you", it just doesn't work. Some people do it for those reasons, but it doesn't make sense. Likewise, you gave vengeance or power as reasons for having sex. Those two should have nothing to do with that act. The latter is often the reason for what society deems very serious crimes.
Which has nothing to do with IB having casual sex with other people, with consent on both sides
That reply was to someone saying The Iron Bull respects his non-Qun partners, when his very culture goes against that notion.
Because that's not what sex should be about. Regardless of things like beliefs, sex is an act that shows that you are willing to give all of yourself to the other person since you are developing an intimate bond that is only beaten by a mother and child.
Who decided that?
Offcially sex is all about reproduction. Except we stopped treating it like that.
True, but some actions are meant to be only with a few emotions. For example saying "I'm going to be mean to you because I love you", it just doesn't work. Some people do it for those reasons, but it doesn't make sense. Likewise, you gave vengeance or power as reasons for having sex. Those two should have nothing to do with that act. The latter is often the reason for what society deems very serious crimes.
I can see that you clearly have very strong beliefs about romance and the romantic symbolism of sex, and I do respect that, but for much of the world it is not that simply defined. Killing can be an act of mercy, rooted in love, for this reason assisted suicides have been carried out throughout history. Sex can be an act of power, a way to show that someone has control of their actions, their enjoyments. It's often a very controversial topic because the level of meaning attached to actions like sex differs in type and intensity between individuals. I would hesitate to suggest that a consensual act between individuals is wrong, even if it does not seem to be taking place with the reverence/meaning that I would give.
Eh, Iron Bull is a complete outlier when it comes to the Qun. He holds onto loyalty for it simply because it's where he came from, but he doesn't live it at all which makes me doubt he sees non-Qunari as any less than him, especially when he's so well integrated into life outside the Qun and enjoys it so much. He's a good example of someone who judges a person on their personality and not their race/class/station.
Who decided that?
Offcially sex is all about reproduction. Except we stopped treating it like that.
Yes, we stopped treating it like that in exchange for it being a sign of love and acceptance of another person in a very intimate way. Thus the invention of family units rather than just mates and from that the development of civilization.
I can see that you clearly have very strong beliefs about romance and the romantic symbolism of sex, and I do respect that, but for much of the world it is not that simply defined. Killing can be an act of mercy, rooted in love, for this reason assisted suicides have been carried out throughout history. Sex can be an act of power, a way to show that someone has control of their actions, their enjoyments. It's often a very controversial topic because the level of meaning attached to actions like sex differs in type and intensity between individuals. I would hesitate to suggest that a consensual act between individuals is wrong, even if it does not seem to be taking place with the reverence/meaning that I would give.
First, let me say I appreciate how you are being very civil about this rather than being insulting like a couple of the others. I appreciate that.
As for the post itself, I forgot about things like assisted suicide so I changed it to people saying they hurt others because they care for them. Like a parent inflicting pain or neglect on a child because they want the child to grow up to be tough, self-reliant, etc. The act doesn't match the intent for that act. As for it being an act of power, I misinterpreted what you meant by that. I thought you meant power over others, not power over oneself.
Really simply, if it's consensual between two people, it's their business alone and no one should be trying to tell them that it's wrong, because it doesn't concern anyone else.
Unless the act can endanger things outside of them, then it is the concern of others. That's why rules against sex between people at the same workplace, be it military or civilian, are in place because the sexual relationship can cause problems for others there or the workplace itself. The Iron Bull sleeping around with various members of the Inquisition is an example of this.
Yes, we stopped treating it like that in exchange for it being a sign of love and acceptance of another person in a very intimate way. Thus the invention of family units rather than just mates and from that the development of civilization.
Right. But then it got changed again.
Things always change with the time.
Of all the problems in DAI, this is probably one that least matters.
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